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Two players today Hamer and Williams 18:37 - Nov 27 with 951 viewsKeithHaynes

I thought Hamer should have done far better for all three goals. Huddersfield fans did say he will get worse not better, possibly why RM wants his old MK Dons keeper in January. Williams I’m afraid seemed devoid of any clue in defence, but looked very decent on the ball. I just don’t think he is as good as Cabango, and from what I’ve seen B.Cooper.

We just can’t afford to make such generous mistakes as these two did today and expect to win games.

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Two players today Hamer and Williams on 18:53 - Nov 27 with 896 viewsshingle

Well Martins old Mk Dons keeper let in a lot of goals in there epic lower division mid table finishes, so who`s to blame for that, the Keeper or his defenders or could it be that Martin himself did not know how to fix or improve the problem.
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Two players today Hamer and Williams on 19:05 - Nov 27 with 862 viewsBadlands

In the week Liverpool kick up a stink Williams is selected!
Maybe because he hasn’t been playing or whatever he was poor.
Played on the left yet seems unable to kick a ball with his left foot.
Bennett all over the place meant Naughton (a full back) was a lone CB.

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Two players today Hamer and Williams on 19:42 - Nov 27 with 795 viewsvetchonian

I thought negativity was banned?
Hamer was exposed by defensive mistakes...how Carroll was able to sprint through our defence is criminal and then Naughton repeating what Geuhi did at Stoke last season....I think calling Hamer out is unfair...the blame lies with Martin....selecting Williams and his brainwashing of players to play his way....rather than take the best option

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Two players today Hamer and Williams on 19:48 - Nov 27 with 777 viewsFireboy2

Two players today Hamer and Williams on 19:42 - Nov 27 by vetchonian

I thought negativity was banned?
Hamer was exposed by defensive mistakes...how Carroll was able to sprint through our defence is criminal and then Naughton repeating what Geuhi did at Stoke last season....I think calling Hamer out is unfair...the blame lies with Martin....selecting Williams and his brainwashing of players to play his way....rather than take the best option


Perhaps RM was told to pick Williams.
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Two players today Hamer and Williams on 19:51 - Nov 27 with 771 viewsKeithHaynes

Two players today Hamer and Williams on 19:42 - Nov 27 by vetchonian

I thought negativity was banned?
Hamer was exposed by defensive mistakes...how Carroll was able to sprint through our defence is criminal and then Naughton repeating what Geuhi did at Stoke last season....I think calling Hamer out is unfair...the blame lies with Martin....selecting Williams and his brainwashing of players to play his way....rather than take the best option


Any reference on here to the banning of opinions ?

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Two players today Hamer and Williams on 19:58 - Nov 27 with 752 viewstheloneranger

Two players today Hamer and Williams on 19:42 - Nov 27 by vetchonian

I thought negativity was banned?
Hamer was exposed by defensive mistakes...how Carroll was able to sprint through our defence is criminal and then Naughton repeating what Geuhi did at Stoke last season....I think calling Hamer out is unfair...the blame lies with Martin....selecting Williams and his brainwashing of players to play his way....rather than take the best option


Whatever the mistakes in defence, Hamer was poor today. He was beaten twice on his near post for the first 2 goals, and the 3rd was under him.

He cost us 2 points last Saturday with a poor punch, and nearly all 3 with another poor punch 2 minutes later - only Manning on the post saving him.

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Two players today Hamer and Williams on 19:58 - Nov 27 with 752 viewsvetchonian

Two players today Hamer and Williams on 19:51 - Nov 27 by KeithHaynes

Any reference on here to the banning of opinions ?


it's a tongue in cheek response to the " why dont you shutp" headline and article

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Two players today Hamer and Williams on 20:05 - Nov 27 with 735 viewsKeithHaynes

Two players today Hamer and Williams on 19:58 - Nov 27 by vetchonian

it's a tongue in cheek response to the " why dont you shutp" headline and article


Ah, I see.
Tongue in cheek, got it.
I’m not in a subliminal message frame of mind today, so thanks for the clarification.

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Two players today Hamer and Williams on 20:59 - Nov 27 with 637 viewsCatullus

Two players today Hamer and Williams on 19:58 - Nov 27 by theloneranger

Whatever the mistakes in defence, Hamer was poor today. He was beaten twice on his near post for the first 2 goals, and the 3rd was under him.

He cost us 2 points last Saturday with a poor punch, and nearly all 3 with another poor punch 2 minutes later - only Manning on the post saving him.


I have to agree but even so, our defending in front f him was awful. Williams can go back to Liverpool and Bennett needs replacing. Then there's Naughton, he's 33 now and as well as he had been playing, he's not a long term choice.

I hope dropping Cabango was a genuine choice and not forced by any Liverpool demands.

Then there's Laird, his pace is an asset but we are so slow getting the ball out there he hasn't the space to get going. It was comical at times today, as if we were deliberately playing the ball to the player with least space. Manning was screaming for the ball but we had to pass it to Grimes first slowing it right down. is it a coincidence that Grimes gets a new contract and his performance gets worse? I hope so.

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Two players today Hamer and Williams on 21:16 - Nov 27 with 603 viewsbuilthjack

Two players today Hamer and Williams on 20:59 - Nov 27 by Catullus

I have to agree but even so, our defending in front f him was awful. Williams can go back to Liverpool and Bennett needs replacing. Then there's Naughton, he's 33 now and as well as he had been playing, he's not a long term choice.

I hope dropping Cabango was a genuine choice and not forced by any Liverpool demands.

Then there's Laird, his pace is an asset but we are so slow getting the ball out there he hasn't the space to get going. It was comical at times today, as if we were deliberately playing the ball to the player with least space. Manning was screaming for the ball but we had to pass it to Grimes first slowing it right down. is it a coincidence that Grimes gets a new contract and his performance gets worse? I hope so.


Spot on here Cat.
Williams is a poor mans Cabango. He can only pass sideways or backwards, and gets caught with balls over the top. I wouldn't cry if he went back to Liverpool in the morning.
Grimes slowed play down again today and hit some horrific balls tomthe wide men. Hope that new contract doesn't send home back to his old ways again.
Laird, against Blackpool and again today, could not beat full back in the early stages, then didn't try Again. Poor defending too. Needs to step up.

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Two players today Hamer and Williams on 21:17 - Nov 27 with 600 viewsReslovenSwan1

Two players today Hamer and Williams on 20:59 - Nov 27 by Catullus

I have to agree but even so, our defending in front f him was awful. Williams can go back to Liverpool and Bennett needs replacing. Then there's Naughton, he's 33 now and as well as he had been playing, he's not a long term choice.

I hope dropping Cabango was a genuine choice and not forced by any Liverpool demands.

Then there's Laird, his pace is an asset but we are so slow getting the ball out there he hasn't the space to get going. It was comical at times today, as if we were deliberately playing the ball to the player with least space. Manning was screaming for the ball but we had to pass it to Grimes first slowing it right down. is it a coincidence that Grimes gets a new contract and his performance gets worse? I hope so.


Williams is 6ft 5in and maybe was selected to deal with the aerial threat of Carroll.

Martin talks about developing players into his style and that it takes time. This should be done for Benda, Cabango, Cooper who are in their early 20s not Naughton, Bennet and Hamer who are 31-33 years old. It is wasted "development" time. Laird, Williams and Bidwell will be gone so next season it has to be started all over again.

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