| Future sales and investment in squad 16:12 - Apr 19 with 2051 views | shandyjack |
Hypothetically, if we were to sell Downes and Piroe, how mcuh would you believe each player would go for and how much of the incoming money do you think we'd reinvest.
Personally i could see Piroe £20m and Downes £10m
That's £30m just from those 2, based then off the spending last 2 windows i'd expect Martin to get between £6-8m to bolster the squad. |  |
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| Future sales and investment in squad on 16:14 - Apr 19 with 1398 views | KeithHaynes |
Can’t see them leaving but at least ten for Piroe and around eight for Downes. |  |
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| Future sales and investment in squad on 18:28 - Apr 19 with 1330 views | johnlangy |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 16:14 - Apr 19 by KeithHaynes |
Can’t see them leaving but at least ten for Piroe and around eight for Downes. |
It has to be far more than £10 million for Piroe because goal scorers are the most valued players. |  | | |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 18:45 - Apr 19 with 1312 views | Dr_Winston |
Piroe should easily be worth what we got for McBurnie.
If history tells us anything, it's that if money is there the club spend it. Not always wisely, but they do. I'd expect a significant wedge of any incoming transfer fees to be reinvested back out, once enough has been put aside to cover any operating losses.
I'm not as convinced as others are that Downes is a likely departure. Maybe another season for him. |  |
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| Future sales and investment in squad on 21:53 - Apr 19 with 1244 views | KeithHaynes |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 18:45 - Apr 19 by Dr_Winston |
Piroe should easily be worth what we got for McBurnie.
If history tells us anything, it's that if money is there the club spend it. Not always wisely, but they do. I'd expect a significant wedge of any incoming transfer fees to be reinvested back out, once enough has been put aside to cover any operating losses.
I'm not as convinced as others are that Downes is a likely departure. Maybe another season for him. |
He has spoken though. He’s a complicated chap, I love it.
 Russell Martin : ‘We probably will have to sell one or two every year’ 19th Apr 2022 21:34Swansea City manager Russell Martin has opened up about the financial situation at Swansea and declared that the club realises it has to sell one or two players every year. It probably isn’t what swans fans want to hear but the inevitable inquiries are most certainly on their way.  0
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| Future sales and investment in squad on 22:04 - Apr 19 with 1229 views | Dr_Winston |
Reality isn't something that your average Swans fan concerns themselves with. There are really only two, indisputable facts here.
#1 - Our best players will always be for sale. That was the case when we were in the Prem and earning millions, it's certainly the case now we're in the Championship and not. 99% of all football clubs are "selling" clubs. These people need to deal with it.
#2 - Current club ownership have always made money available for transfers if they can. That was true when we spent £30m+ on Ayew and Bony when we were still in the PL, was true when we spent £3m on Celina immediately upon relegation, and true last summer when we spent £1m+ three times despite not having all that much cash.
RM understands both these because he's not an idiot. [Post edited 19 Apr 2022 22:04]
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| Future sales and investment in squad on 22:06 - Apr 19 with 1226 views | STID2017 |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 18:45 - Apr 19 by Dr_Winston |
Piroe should easily be worth what we got for McBurnie.
If history tells us anything, it's that if money is there the club spend it. Not always wisely, but they do. I'd expect a significant wedge of any incoming transfer fees to be reinvested back out, once enough has been put aside to cover any operating losses.
I'm not as convinced as others are that Downes is a likely departure. Maybe another season for him. |
I agree that Piroe should easily be worth £20 million.
I don't think Downes is mature enough yet to make the jump to the EPL |  |
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| Future sales and investment in squad on 08:58 - Apr 20 with 1141 views | shandyjack |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 22:04 - Apr 19 by Dr_Winston |
Reality isn't something that your average Swans fan concerns themselves with. There are really only two, indisputable facts here.
#1 - Our best players will always be for sale. That was the case when we were in the Prem and earning millions, it's certainly the case now we're in the Championship and not. 99% of all football clubs are "selling" clubs. These people need to deal with it.
#2 - Current club ownership have always made money available for transfers if they can. That was true when we spent £30m+ on Ayew and Bony when we were still in the PL, was true when we spent £3m on Celina immediately upon relegation, and true last summer when we spent £1m+ three times despite not having all that much cash.
RM understands both these because he's not an idiot. [Post edited 19 Apr 2022 22:04]
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I've got no doubt in my mind that Piroe will be gone in the summer for at least £20m, and also no doubt that some of our fans will claim it's a lack of ambition on our part to sell him, and then claim the money will be pocketed by the owners despite no history of this happening | |
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| Future sales and investment in squad on 09:11 - Apr 20 with 1120 views | Dr_Winston |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 22:06 - Apr 19 by STID2017 |
I agree that Piroe should easily be worth £20 million.
I don't think Downes is mature enough yet to make the jump to the EPL |
Strikers get headlines and demand premium fees. Battling midfielders less so. Downes may have gone under the radar to a degree that just won't have happened with Piroe. | |
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| Future sales and investment in squad on 10:45 - Apr 20 with 1077 views | Lorax |
I have no doubt Piroe will be sold if anyone offers anywhere near 20 million, I just hope we can keep Obafemi and Downes.
If we got 20 for him I see us spending 6-7 million of it.
We are relying heavily on scouting and the academy which is the only way to be sustainable.
Keeping all three of those would be a financial gamble I don't see our owners taking. | | | |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 10:49 - Apr 20 with 1070 views | onehunglow |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 10:45 - Apr 20 by Lorax |
I have no doubt Piroe will be sold if anyone offers anywhere near 20 million, I just hope we can keep Obafemi and Downes.
If we got 20 for him I see us spending 6-7 million of it.
We are relying heavily on scouting and the academy which is the only way to be sustainable.
Keeping all three of those would be a financial gamble I don't see our owners taking. |
Piroe won't be sold for anything like 20m ,sadly. Our owners will be chomping on the bit if 10 million is offered.
The very first thing we should do is accept the folly of Fisher and source a better keeper;it won't be that hard . Once we have a base ,we can move on .Without a base ,a spine ,all the coach's words are meaningless as all our good work is unravelled by the most basic errors . | |
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| Future sales and investment in squad on 11:17 - Apr 20 with 1053 views | shandyjack |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 10:49 - Apr 20 by onehunglow |
Piroe won't be sold for anything like 20m ,sadly. Our owners will be chomping on the bit if 10 million is offered.
The very first thing we should do is accept the folly of Fisher and source a better keeper;it won't be that hard . Once we have a base ,we can move on .Without a base ,a spine ,all the coach's words are meaningless as all our good work is unravelled by the most basic errors . |
Not a chance will they sell him for that low, Mcburnie is the bench mark for how much we would sell a 20+ goal striker for | |
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| Future sales and investment in squad on 11:19 - Apr 20 with 1050 views | shandyjack |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 10:45 - Apr 20 by Lorax |
I have no doubt Piroe will be sold if anyone offers anywhere near 20 million, I just hope we can keep Obafemi and Downes.
If we got 20 for him I see us spending 6-7 million of it.
We are relying heavily on scouting and the academy which is the only way to be sustainable.
Keeping all three of those would be a financial gamble I don't see our owners taking. |
It's a gamble most sane fans wouldn't want them to take either. Turning down 20m+ for Piroe would be mental, i just hope we've done the right scouting in anticipation of replacing him and using the money invested wisely. | |
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| Future sales and investment in squad on 11:23 - Apr 20 with 1047 views | pencoedjack |
Nice to have you back posting Shandy.
As said by others cant see Downes being sold for 10 million & really hope we keep him anyway, PL clubs are far happier spunking their money on some European nobody than a championship player. |  | | |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 11:30 - Apr 20 with 1042 views | shandyjack |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 11:23 - Apr 20 by pencoedjack |
Nice to have you back posting Shandy.
As said by others cant see Downes being sold for 10 million & really hope we keep him anyway, PL clubs are far happier spunking their money on some European nobody than a championship player. |
good to be back haha
I'd love to keep hold of Downes, sadly though i think it's inevitable that Piroe will leave | |
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| Future sales and investment in squad on 11:57 - Apr 20 with 1017 views | onehunglow |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 11:30 - Apr 20 by shandyjack |
good to be back haha
I'd love to keep hold of Downes, sadly though i think it's inevitable that Piroe will leave |
Good stuff | |
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| Future sales and investment in squad on 14:22 - Apr 20 with 950 views | Dr_Winston |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 11:17 - Apr 20 by shandyjack |
Not a chance will they sell him for that low, Mcburnie is the bench mark for how much we would sell a 20+ goal striker for |
£45m for Sigurdsson.
£20m for McBurnie.
£20m for James.
£15m for Mawson.
£14m for Rodon.
Given our recent history of getting good fees for players it would seem somewhat unlikely that we're suddenly going to turn around and accept £10m for Piroe.
One can only assume people would prefer it if they did in order to justify their whining. | |
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| Future sales and investment in squad on 14:50 - Apr 20 with 935 views | shandyjack |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 14:22 - Apr 20 by Dr_Winston |
£45m for Sigurdsson.
£20m for McBurnie.
£20m for James.
£15m for Mawson.
£14m for Rodon.
Given our recent history of getting good fees for players it would seem somewhat unlikely that we're suddenly going to turn around and accept £10m for Piroe.
One can only assume people would prefer it if they did in order to justify their whining. |
think people's minds are still warped by that one window after we got relegated where our hand was forced to accept lower fees to balance the books and avoid financial turmoil.
How we ended up being in such a mess after 7 yrs in the PL is baffling to say the least but that's by the by now and since we've gone down i think the owners have been good to the managers bar the odd exception when maybe pushing the boat a smidge could have seen us go up, but if they did and we failed we could have turned into another Derby | |
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| Future sales and investment in squad on 15:00 - Apr 20 with 926 views | Dr_Winston |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 14:50 - Apr 20 by shandyjack |
think people's minds are still warped by that one window after we got relegated where our hand was forced to accept lower fees to balance the books and avoid financial turmoil.
How we ended up being in such a mess after 7 yrs in the PL is baffling to say the least but that's by the by now and since we've gone down i think the owners have been good to the managers bar the odd exception when maybe pushing the boat a smidge could have seen us go up, but if they did and we failed we could have turned into another Derby |
We had far, far too many people on lucrative long term contracts and no relegation clauses. That first Summer was all about hacking away what we could to try and stem the potential future losses. We weren't in a position of strength to negotiate from. We had to get a certain volume off the books.
It was partly their own fault that we were in that mess. They delegated basically everything to Jenkins when he really needed much tighter supervision. They learned that lesson eventually, but at massive cost. | |
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| Future sales and investment in squad on 15:08 - Apr 20 with 913 views | shandyjack |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 15:00 - Apr 20 by Dr_Winston |
We had far, far too many people on lucrative long term contracts and no relegation clauses. That first Summer was all about hacking away what we could to try and stem the potential future losses. We weren't in a position of strength to negotiate from. We had to get a certain volume off the books.
It was partly their own fault that we were in that mess. They delegated basically everything to Jenkins when he really needed much tighter supervision. They learned that lesson eventually, but at massive cost. |
agreed, that last season in the PL crippled us and only this window we were able to shift away from it when Ayew left | |
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| Future sales and investment in squad on 16:27 - Apr 20 with 866 views | jasper_T |
While in the PL we were routinely cashing in future payments (players, TV money) for immediate cash in hand in order to keep enough in the account to pay the bills/do more business, and over time the future payments we owed out didn't have anything like enough coming in to cover them. I think the difference was around £60m set to go out over 2-3 years at the point we got relegated. That's why we had to sell asap above and beyond cutting down on wages.
It took DJ and McBurnie's sales just to clear the decks from the PL spending. If we'd gone down one season earlier we would have been in a much stronger financial position. | | | |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 17:36 - Apr 20 with 835 views | shandyjack |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 16:27 - Apr 20 by jasper_T |
While in the PL we were routinely cashing in future payments (players, TV money) for immediate cash in hand in order to keep enough in the account to pay the bills/do more business, and over time the future payments we owed out didn't have anything like enough coming in to cover them. I think the difference was around £60m set to go out over 2-3 years at the point we got relegated. That's why we had to sell asap above and beyond cutting down on wages.
It took DJ and McBurnie's sales just to clear the decks from the PL spending. If we'd gone down one season earlier we would have been in a much stronger financial position. |
Scary reading when you think about it, 7 years of PL money and we ended up in that situation. Think the problem landed when we started chasing the big players on big money and moving away from what made us so successful.
That last season -Clucas, Bony, Ayew were so crazy and nearly killed us | |
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| Future sales and investment in squad on 17:37 - Apr 20 with 835 views | RichardO |
If Piroe wants to play in the Prem next season, then do the club accept a reasonable offer early in the transfer window so we can get someone or hold out to see if we can get the expected fee late in the window and get someone in late or get someone in to strengthen regardless and play it by ear? | | | |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 17:38 - Apr 20 with 828 views | Whiterockin |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 17:37 - Apr 20 by RichardO |
If Piroe wants to play in the Prem next season, then do the club accept a reasonable offer early in the transfer window so we can get someone or hold out to see if we can get the expected fee late in the window and get someone in late or get someone in to strengthen regardless and play it by ear? |
Define reasonable fee and expected fee. |  | | |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 17:41 - Apr 20 with 817 views | Dr_Winston |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 17:36 - Apr 20 by shandyjack |
Scary reading when you think about it, 7 years of PL money and we ended up in that situation. Think the problem landed when we started chasing the big players on big money and moving away from what made us so successful.
That last season -Clucas, Bony, Ayew were so crazy and nearly killed us |
Jenkins' ego started running rampant after his clash with Laudrup and he thought he could do without people who actually knew what they were doing. We basically did all our business via agents or trying to bring back players we'd had before.
We should have kept shopping at the bargain end of the market leavened with the occasional bigger fee paid like the summer we brought in Bony. | |
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| Future sales and investment in squad on 17:46 - Apr 20 with 804 views | KeithHaynes |
| Future sales and investment in squad on 17:41 - Apr 20 by Dr_Winston |
Jenkins' ego started running rampant after his clash with Laudrup and he thought he could do without people who actually knew what they were doing. We basically did all our business via agents or trying to bring back players we'd had before.
We should have kept shopping at the bargain end of the market leavened with the occasional bigger fee paid like the summer we brought in Bony. |
Jenkins definitely thought he could unearth the likes of another Michu, de Guzman, etc but of course he couldn’t. You can’t build a house without a roof. | |
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