| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 16:29 - Jun 12 with 3208 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Shocking. It seems like punishment is a thing of the past in this country. |  | |  |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 16:54 - Jun 12 with 3184 views | Lorax |
Yeah, a disgusting crime and a laughable punishment. The kid is lucky to be alive and the criminal gets a slap on the wrist.
it's probably not the judges or lawyers faults though, it's probably the guidelines because of his age. Maybe sirjohnalot can enlighten us. | | | |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 16:55 - Jun 12 with 3171 views | onehunglow |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 16:54 - Jun 12 by Lorax |
Yeah, a disgusting crime and a laughable punishment. The kid is lucky to be alive and the criminal gets a slap on the wrist.
it's probably not the judges or lawyers faults though, it's probably the guidelines because of his age. Maybe sirjohnalot can enlighten us. |
They implement the Law. Maybe,they should appeal.
Maybe this perp was disadvantaged,poor,or had special needs,drugs,drink problems etc. | |
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| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 17:46 - Jun 12 with 3146 views | Treforys_Jack |
We never really know the full set of circumstances nor all that actually happened, that said however it seems a startlingly light consequence for the perpetrator. The worry is others will see that sentence and think, that's not too bad, I bet he's some sort of hero figure to some youngsters already [Post edited 12 Jun 2022 17:48]
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| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 18:26 - Jun 12 with 3095 views | Jack123 |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 17:46 - Jun 12 by Treforys_Jack |
We never really know the full set of circumstances nor all that actually happened, that said however it seems a startlingly light consequence for the perpetrator. The worry is others will see that sentence and think, that's not too bad, I bet he's some sort of hero figure to some youngsters already [Post edited 12 Jun 2022 17:48]
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Yes, as the victims mother said, it will be like a green light for some, thinking they can get away with it, I'm not even sure what a youth referral order is, but a quick google and it looks more lenient than community service. |  |
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| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 18:53 - Jun 12 with 3052 views | lifelong |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 17:46 - Jun 12 by Treforys_Jack |
We never really know the full set of circumstances nor all that actually happened, that said however it seems a startlingly light consequence for the perpetrator. The worry is others will see that sentence and think, that's not too bad, I bet he's some sort of hero figure to some youngsters already [Post edited 12 Jun 2022 17:48]
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The Gorseinon area has some serious problems, recently there have been young people stabbed, a stolen vehicle driven through a shop window and members of the public assaulted in broad daylight.
There is genuine concern amongst the majority of decent parents regarding the safety of their children.
Lenient sentences like this do nothing to help the situation. |  | | |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 20:34 - Jun 12 with 2981 views | angryjack |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 18:53 - Jun 12 by lifelong |
The Gorseinon area has some serious problems, recently there have been young people stabbed, a stolen vehicle driven through a shop window and members of the public assaulted in broad daylight.
There is genuine concern amongst the majority of decent parents regarding the safety of their children.
Lenient sentences like this do nothing to help the situation. |
If I was the victims father..I would find out where the boy lived and go down and kick his father's head in and his and go to jail for it..the law is an ass...drug dealers get years for supplying a service that people want.rught or wrong..nonces get off with thing or light sentences for doing things children don't want..trouble is most judges and politicians are nonce themselves | | | |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 21:50 - Jun 12 with 2932 views | Treforys_Jack |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 20:34 - Jun 12 by angryjack |
If I was the victims father..I would find out where the boy lived and go down and kick his father's head in and his and go to jail for it..the law is an ass...drug dealers get years for supplying a service that people want.rught or wrong..nonces get off with thing or light sentences for doing things children don't want..trouble is most judges and politicians are nonce themselves |
Is his father a former cruiserweight boxer, or is that just mischievous gossip? | | | |
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| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 22:16 - Jun 12 with 2910 views | jack_lord |
Christ on a bike, Is there something wrong with you? |  |
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| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 22:30 - Jun 12 with 2898 views | Sirjohnalot |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 16:54 - Jun 12 by Lorax |
Yeah, a disgusting crime and a laughable punishment. The kid is lucky to be alive and the criminal gets a slap on the wrist.
it's probably not the judges or lawyers faults though, it's probably the guidelines because of his age. Maybe sirjohnalot can enlighten us. |
Yes, that’s correct, as he was under 15, not been in trouble and pleaded guilty. The court had to impose a referral order. This happens in every case where the sentence isn’t prescribed by law (murder and rape eg) Have a look at p23 onwards.
Referral order is quite intensive, up to two years, aim is to try to stop kids getting into further trouble and steer them away from crime. A breach and they get brought back to court. Alternative is going to prison where they mix with other, more hardened criminals and come out worse.
It can work, I’ve seen kids doing things like this, and this type of order sorting them out.
Can fully understand the victims parents anger. I’d feel the same.
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Sentencing-Children-and- |  | | |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 22:52 - Jun 12 with 2878 views | Jack123 |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 22:30 - Jun 12 by Sirjohnalot |
Yes, that’s correct, as he was under 15, not been in trouble and pleaded guilty. The court had to impose a referral order. This happens in every case where the sentence isn’t prescribed by law (murder and rape eg) Have a look at p23 onwards.
Referral order is quite intensive, up to two years, aim is to try to stop kids getting into further trouble and steer them away from crime. A breach and they get brought back to court. Alternative is going to prison where they mix with other, more hardened criminals and come out worse.
It can work, I’ve seen kids doing things like this, and this type of order sorting them out.
Can fully understand the victims parents anger. I’d feel the same.
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Sentencing-Children-and- |
If only I had known when I was 13 I could stick a knife in another child, and get a free pass! Absolutely disgusting...
WTF is wrong with this country. | |
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| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 23:01 - Jun 12 with 2871 views | jack_lord |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 22:52 - Jun 12 by Jack123 |
If only I had known when I was 13 I could stick a knife in another child, and get a free pass! Absolutely disgusting...
WTF is wrong with this country. |
I remember a few gang fights in the early 80's where it was naughty but kids didnt carry knives then (I know a few did but you get my drift) how the world has changed. | |
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| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 01:00 - Jun 13 with 2829 views | TheKnowledge |
You could cut down crime in this country very quickly if the detterants were there. Bring back the death penalty for the serious crimes and punishment beatings for the lesser crime. Kill someone then that is it your life is going to. Breaking in to someone's house and steal their hard earned and you get put in a room to get a right hiding once a week of every week of your jail sentence., maybe even have some limbs removed is you steal from the elderly etc.
It's not rocket science really, there has to be a detterant. [Post edited 13 Jun 2022 1:02]
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| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 01:25 - Jun 13 with 2810 views | Jack123 |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 01:00 - Jun 13 by TheKnowledge |
You could cut down crime in this country very quickly if the detterants were there. Bring back the death penalty for the serious crimes and punishment beatings for the lesser crime. Kill someone then that is it your life is going to. Breaking in to someone's house and steal their hard earned and you get put in a room to get a right hiding once a week of every week of your jail sentence., maybe even have some limbs removed is you steal from the elderly etc.
It's not rocket science really, there has to be a detterant. [Post edited 13 Jun 2022 1:02]
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Wishful thoughts, never going to happen though.
Whets the deterrent? going to happen have some ideas, but it's never going to happen, the poor lad here nearly lost his life | |
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| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 02:22 - Jun 13 with 2790 views | TheKnowledge |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 01:25 - Jun 13 by Jack123 |
Wishful thoughts, never going to happen though.
Whets the deterrent? going to happen have some ideas, but it's never going to happen, the poor lad here nearly lost his life |
I agree mate, will never have the detterants there while these hand ringing numpty leftists are running the world.
Would the fella who stabbed the young lad in gorseinon even have been carrying a knife if he new the consequences could be losing his life if he killed someone, or put in a room with some grizzlies to lump seven shatdes of shite out of you every week for the foreseeable? I doubt it very much | | | |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 06:11 - Jun 13 with 2765 views | Sirjohnalot |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 02:22 - Jun 13 by TheKnowledge |
I agree mate, will never have the detterants there while these hand ringing numpty leftists are running the world.
Would the fella who stabbed the young lad in gorseinon even have been carrying a knife if he new the consequences could be losing his life if he killed someone, or put in a room with some grizzlies to lump seven shatdes of shite out of you every week for the foreseeable? I doubt it very much |
Your solution is to kill or maim a 14 test old boy ? | | | |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 06:47 - Jun 13 with 2752 views | TheKnowledge |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 06:11 - Jun 13 by Sirjohnalot |
Your solution is to kill or maim a 14 test old boy ? |
Not really, I think you're missing the point. In most cases if the detterant is there these things don't happen. And I believe this would have been the case in this instance.
tell me what punishment currently served is enough to make someone stop and contemplate their actions? | | | |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 07:29 - Jun 13 with 2735 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 06:47 - Jun 13 by TheKnowledge |
Not really, I think you're missing the point. In most cases if the detterant is there these things don't happen. And I believe this would have been the case in this instance.
tell me what punishment currently served is enough to make someone stop and contemplate their actions? |
If you are in prison you cannot commit crimes. Longer sentences less crime. | |
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| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 08:24 - Jun 13 with 2712 views | Superjan |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 07:29 - Jun 13 by felixstowe_jack |
If you are in prison you cannot commit crimes. Longer sentences less crime. |
For the record , not that it matters a great deal the 14 yr old was made the subject of a Youth Rehabilitation Order . The Judge explained in detail in open court why such an order was being made in such a serious case . Sirjohn has posted a link as to the guidelines that the Court used . They too are in the public domain as are the identities of the Sentencing Council members . Whatever the perceived rights and wrongs of the sentence the Court applied the law as it stands . If people feel that strongly lobby their MP , write to Priti Patel , write to Boris Johnson or stand for public office themselves. | | | |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 08:59 - Jun 13 with 2665 views | onehunglow |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 22:16 - Jun 12 by jack_lord |
Christ on a bike, Is there something wrong with you? |
Can't see much wrong with that.It is what most think.
We are all responsible for this as we have allowed this to happen. We have not the gut to attack those filth who blight the lives of others.
Barristers have a duty to defend and do their very best for their clients and that means the bet result for THE CLIENT so it is nothing to do with justice at all. If the Crown buggers the prosecution up,then the Perp walks as as one Silk told me in the lift, after a such a case,"you take it to heart too much".
BTW,I have nothing against barristers personally ;it's more a case of wondering as to how the hell they can do such a job. | |
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| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 12:55 - Jun 13 with 2573 views | jack_lord |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 08:59 - Jun 13 by onehunglow |
Can't see much wrong with that.It is what most think.
We are all responsible for this as we have allowed this to happen. We have not the gut to attack those filth who blight the lives of others.
Barristers have a duty to defend and do their very best for their clients and that means the bet result for THE CLIENT so it is nothing to do with justice at all. If the Crown buggers the prosecution up,then the Perp walks as as one Silk told me in the lift, after a such a case,"you take it to heart too much".
BTW,I have nothing against barristers personally ;it's more a case of wondering as to how the hell they can do such a job. |
NO Rich.
It has nothing to do with people who are left wing. The fact that he continually addresses people as left wing scum is an issue. Forget the rest of what he says.
Unfortunately the laws and the tarriff are there. How this has got anything to do with people who are irrelevant is beyond me. When was the last time there was a left wing Government in charge.
I suppose it is difficult to see that though. | |
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| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 15:36 - Jun 13 with 2485 views | controversial_jack |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 12:55 - Jun 13 by jack_lord |
NO Rich.
It has nothing to do with people who are left wing. The fact that he continually addresses people as left wing scum is an issue. Forget the rest of what he says.
Unfortunately the laws and the tarriff are there. How this has got anything to do with people who are irrelevant is beyond me. When was the last time there was a left wing Government in charge.
I suppose it is difficult to see that though. |
It was much worse in the 70s and 80s. There wasn't the knifings, but there were glassing, stanley knives, putting the boot in when someone is on the deck. Not a weekend went by without a big scrap in a pub or Nightclub in Swansea or any of the surrounding times.It's not condoning anything, but let's keep things in perspective. | | | |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 17:54 - Jun 13 with 2426 views | majorraglan |
Have a word with yourself! I think you’ll find the legal system in England and Wales has been under the control of a Conservative Government (probably the most right wing government we’ve had in many years) for the last 12 years, Priti Patel and her successors will have had numerous opportunities to change the system if they vehemently disagreed it’s it.
I’m not condoning the sentence that’s been handed out and would point out that SirJohnalot has explained what’s happened and why. | | | |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 18:26 - Jun 13 with 2407 views | lifelong |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 15:36 - Jun 13 by controversial_jack |
It was much worse in the 70s and 80s. There wasn't the knifings, but there were glassing, stanley knives, putting the boot in when someone is on the deck. Not a weekend went by without a big scrap in a pub or Nightclub in Swansea or any of the surrounding times.It's not condoning anything, but let's keep things in perspective. |
Yes, there was violence in the 70’s and 80’s but not to the extent where children armed themselves with knives and went roaming around the area looking to seriously injure someone.
This seems to be a modern day problem and is very prevalent in major cities of the UK where a number of children have lost their lives. | | | |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 18:52 - Jun 13 with 2468 views | controversial_jack |
| The Stabbing In Gorseinon on 18:26 - Jun 13 by lifelong |
Yes, there was violence in the 70’s and 80’s but not to the extent where children armed themselves with knives and went roaming around the area looking to seriously injure someone.
This seems to be a modern day problem and is very prevalent in major cities of the UK where a number of children have lost their lives. |
It's still very rare, but of course, not something to be tolerated | | | |
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