| Welcome to Wengerworld 14:36 - Jul 24 with 1202 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
In the enclosure it is clear that Martin had a major influence in the selection of the new head of academy. Mr Goldie. Outside his brief some might argue?.
https://www.swanseacity.com/news/russell-martin-andy-goldie-will-bring-exciting-
I put it to you forum colleagues what we are seeing here is a slow iterative take over of the club by the principles of 'Martinball' and its main diver Russell Martin esq.
In the last year non disciples of this philosophy have been dispatched. Williams Asst Manager, Martin's notional boss Mr Allen and club legend Leon Britton who kindly reported family reasons.
Forum sages on here having been wrong about mosts things are wrong about Martin simply using the club as a stepping stone. Lazy minds lead to lazy narratives based on past president. Six years it took them to realise the SCST were sold a pup and even now they do not accept the realities. This is where independent thinking comes in. OK I got only 4 votes 2 converted back. This proves I am an improving vintage.
I am kindly informing you a of a different narrative. The narrative of "Wengerworld". This is a world where one man and his ideas run the whole club from top to bottom with a kindly CEO happy to take a back seat.
Mr Winter, Julian removed Allen and gave Allen's job to Russell. Mr M now calls all the shots. This man to man understanding has one major drawback for RM. He understands he has booked into the "Wenger suite at Hotel California". Remember the lyric. "You can sign whoever you like but you can never leave".
Playing the ball out from the back is here to stay at all levels of the club. Martin will turn down offers if he gets any. "Welcome to Wengerworld".
Only a change in ownership and chaos can change the club ethos.
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| Welcome to Wengerworld on 14:48 - Jul 24 with 1161 views | onehunglow |
100% agree |  |
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| Welcome to Wengerworld on 16:10 - Jul 25 with 987 views | Kilkennyjack |
Sounds like its a good thing.
Joined up thinking from top to bottom. |  |
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| Welcome to Wengerworld on 16:30 - Jul 25 with 952 views | GixerJack |
I know this is pedantic but those aren’t the lyrics for Hotel California!!! The proper lyrics are “You can check out any time you like but you can never leave” |  | | |
| Welcome to Wengerworld on 16:58 - Jul 25 with 917 views | vetchonian |
Playing the ball out form the back is nothing new for us...we even did it under the previous manager...the issue is Martin's system
As he says himself no one else plays this way it makes you wonder why? | |
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| Welcome to Wengerworld on 18:22 - Jul 25 with 872 views | Catullus |
If experience has taught us anything isn't it that when a bigger and/or more famous club comes calling, an EPL club with (the offer of a bigger transfer kitty for managers) a massive pay rise that the vast majority of people will take the other job. The chance is always "too good to turn down"
Very few managers will stick around at their curent club. The possible exception there of course is if you are already at one of the worlds biggest clubs like Liverpool, Man City, Bayern or Real.
Why would the first team head coach not be allowed a say in picking the head of the academy? Why would it be outside his brief? That's just a lazy assumption.
There are no forum sages, we are just fans offering opinions and points of view.
If we were to get relegated ( I don't think it's likely) then I think your opinions would be sorely tested
PS iterative? President, did you mean precedent? | |
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| Welcome to Wengerworld on 19:08 - Jul 25 with 844 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Welcome to Wengerworld on 18:22 - Jul 25 by Catullus |
If experience has taught us anything isn't it that when a bigger and/or more famous club comes calling, an EPL club with (the offer of a bigger transfer kitty for managers) a massive pay rise that the vast majority of people will take the other job. The chance is always "too good to turn down"
Very few managers will stick around at their curent club. The possible exception there of course is if you are already at one of the worlds biggest clubs like Liverpool, Man City, Bayern or Real.
Why would the first team head coach not be allowed a say in picking the head of the academy? Why would it be outside his brief? That's just a lazy assumption.
There are no forum sages, we are just fans offering opinions and points of view.
If we were to get relegated ( I don't think it's likely) then I think your opinions would be sorely tested
PS iterative? President, did you mean precedent? |
Iterative is a word I think. Yes I meant precedent. I set out to question and analyse common misconceptions. The Trust legal case fiasco show what can happen when the 'good and the great' are not contested. Narratives promoted on here by regulars were in my opinion fake. The passive members let the case run until the legal rules forced them to make a decision. Six years was not enough. It had to be ended and was,
I am indicating change in the club modus operandi. Allen was sacked and not replaced. Williams walked. Britton handed back his spurs. Byron Anthony barely has time to get comfortable in his seat. I believe the new club ethos with Martin at its head was the reason They were non believers perhaps?. Calderwood was lined up but did not come.
Laudrup did not pick Clotet. He had no idea who he was. No previous manager picked academy posts as far as I know. Mr Jenkins did all this. Monk and Clement had enough on their plates and Potter showed little interest. Cooper ran into trouble with the hierarchy.
Jenkins was 'defenders of the faith' which was so good for the club and all it shareholders. He replaced all his mangers if they were poached or did not meet his performance targets.
This was always unsustainable over the long term.
Fans wanted some continuity. Swansea is a 'goldilocks' club. If the manger is good he is poached (with compensation) if he is bad he is sacked (with compensation). Guidolin was probably perfect. A good manger but too old for other clubs.
Martin is different and not the 'majority of managers'. He has certain lifestyle values which are unusual and will not get the philosophical freedom he gets at Swansea anywhere else. All potential obstacles to his powerbase have gone. A 'clubman' with a modest CV is appointed as his assistant.
Martin is the driver of Wengerworld in the Swansea bay. Clean air environmentally friendly and living on the Gower. No reason to go anywhere else. [Post edited 25 Jul 2022 19:19]
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| Welcome to Wengerworld on 19:35 - Jul 25 with 812 views | Catullus |
| Welcome to Wengerworld on 19:08 - Jul 25 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Iterative is a word I think. Yes I meant precedent. I set out to question and analyse common misconceptions. The Trust legal case fiasco show what can happen when the 'good and the great' are not contested. Narratives promoted on here by regulars were in my opinion fake. The passive members let the case run until the legal rules forced them to make a decision. Six years was not enough. It had to be ended and was,
I am indicating change in the club modus operandi. Allen was sacked and not replaced. Williams walked. Britton handed back his spurs. Byron Anthony barely has time to get comfortable in his seat. I believe the new club ethos with Martin at its head was the reason They were non believers perhaps?. Calderwood was lined up but did not come.
Laudrup did not pick Clotet. He had no idea who he was. No previous manager picked academy posts as far as I know. Mr Jenkins did all this. Monk and Clement had enough on their plates and Potter showed little interest. Cooper ran into trouble with the hierarchy.
Jenkins was 'defenders of the faith' which was so good for the club and all it shareholders. He replaced all his mangers if they were poached or did not meet his performance targets.
This was always unsustainable over the long term.
Fans wanted some continuity. Swansea is a 'goldilocks' club. If the manger is good he is poached (with compensation) if he is bad he is sacked (with compensation). Guidolin was probably perfect. A good manger but too old for other clubs.
Martin is different and not the 'majority of managers'. He has certain lifestyle values which are unusual and will not get the philosophical freedom he gets at Swansea anywhere else. All potential obstacles to his powerbase have gone. A 'clubman' with a modest CV is appointed as his assistant.
Martin is the driver of Wengerworld in the Swansea bay. Clean air environmentally friendly and living on the Gower. No reason to go anywhere else. [Post edited 25 Jul 2022 19:19]
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The first paragrap is wrong. The "passive members" did not make a decision to end it, they were for legal action but the board made a deal behind the members back, from what I have read. Your opinions have often been challenged around this narrative of yours.
Laudrup didn't "pick"....maybe picked is the wrong word, how about asked for an opinion? Cooper ran into trouble alright but, in my opinion, that was because he was let down by the owners, promises were made and not kept and players he wanted werent signed, players he diidn't want were forced on him.
Jenkins WAS Fidei Defensor until he and his friends themselves broke that faith which has been gone over and over so many times it bored the pants off everybody.
Aren;t you forgetting that Martin brought his own assistant who left us?
Other managers who had no reason to go anywhere else still left when an EPL club came calling, Brendan Rodgers was loved down here and Roberto Martinez claimed he'd have to be dragged out the door, what happened next?
Don;t kake anymore bad assumptions, Martin is just like the players, if the right club with the right offer comes calling, he will leave. That or he will fail badly and get sacked. There is another option, that we end up in mid table obscurity for an extended time and he's here for several years but 18 months is the average isn't it. | |
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| Welcome to Wengerworld on 20:50 - Jul 25 with 770 views | onehunglow |
| Welcome to Wengerworld on 19:35 - Jul 25 by Catullus |
The first paragrap is wrong. The "passive members" did not make a decision to end it, they were for legal action but the board made a deal behind the members back, from what I have read. Your opinions have often been challenged around this narrative of yours.
Laudrup didn't "pick"....maybe picked is the wrong word, how about asked for an opinion? Cooper ran into trouble alright but, in my opinion, that was because he was let down by the owners, promises were made and not kept and players he wanted werent signed, players he diidn't want were forced on him.
Jenkins WAS Fidei Defensor until he and his friends themselves broke that faith which has been gone over and over so many times it bored the pants off everybody.
Aren;t you forgetting that Martin brought his own assistant who left us?
Other managers who had no reason to go anywhere else still left when an EPL club came calling, Brendan Rodgers was loved down here and Roberto Martinez claimed he'd have to be dragged out the door, what happened next?
Don;t kake anymore bad assumptions, Martin is just like the players, if the right club with the right offer comes calling, he will leave. That or he will fail badly and get sacked. There is another option, that we end up in mid table obscurity for an extended time and he's here for several years but 18 months is the average isn't it. |
and the reason no fan should trust Russ implicitly. We did with Bobby who luved the club but farked off to a higher love at Wigan. | |
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| Welcome to Wengerworld on 20:54 - Jul 25 with 760 views | KeithHaynes |
| Welcome to Wengerworld on 20:50 - Jul 25 by onehunglow |
and the reason no fan should trust Russ implicitly. We did with Bobby who luved the club but farked off to a higher love at Wigan. |
Russ had made the club millions as a part of his contract.
Now we have Harry Darling who personally i believe will do the same.
Our closest rivals don’t come close. |  |
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| Welcome to Wengerworld on 20:57 - Jul 25 with 749 views | onehunglow |
| Welcome to Wengerworld on 20:54 - Jul 25 by KeithHaynes |
Russ had made the club millions as a part of his contract.
Now we have Harry Darling who personally i believe will do the same.
Our closest rivals don’t come close. |
no answer to that | |
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| Welcome to Wengerworld on 22:14 - Jul 25 with 717 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Welcome to Wengerworld on 19:35 - Jul 25 by Catullus |
The first paragrap is wrong. The "passive members" did not make a decision to end it, they were for legal action but the board made a deal behind the members back, from what I have read. Your opinions have often been challenged around this narrative of yours.
Laudrup didn't "pick"....maybe picked is the wrong word, how about asked for an opinion? Cooper ran into trouble alright but, in my opinion, that was because he was let down by the owners, promises were made and not kept and players he wanted werent signed, players he diidn't want were forced on him.
Jenkins WAS Fidei Defensor until he and his friends themselves broke that faith which has been gone over and over so many times it bored the pants off everybody.
Aren;t you forgetting that Martin brought his own assistant who left us?
Other managers who had no reason to go anywhere else still left when an EPL club came calling, Brendan Rodgers was loved down here and Roberto Martinez claimed he'd have to be dragged out the door, what happened next?
Don;t kake anymore bad assumptions, Martin is just like the players, if the right club with the right offer comes calling, he will leave. That or he will fail badly and get sacked. There is another option, that we end up in mid table obscurity for an extended time and he's here for several years but 18 months is the average isn't it. |
You are still pedalling out nonsense and have learned nothing from this court case fiasco and humiliating settlement 6 years and £400k in the making.
The members have elected and followed the advice of people that did not and could not deliver. They made bad decisions and wasted a lot of time and money. The membership is responsible. There is no sign that they have learned anything.
Laudrup had never heard of Clotet. 'Nothing to do with me' he said. Martin is very different. Martin is explaining how in line he is with the club ethos and his background with the new man.
Martin has been given unprecedented control by Winter. This is on the basis of it being a long term project and Martin will have tied himself down for quite a few more seasons in return. A few more season in mid table is not out of the question but year on year progress with be required. It is the arsene Wenger model and new to Swansea.
The problem of the jenkinista era was the manager churn. Martin is being backed. | |
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| Welcome to Wengerworld on 23:01 - Jul 25 with 694 views | Catullus |
| Welcome to Wengerworld on 22:14 - Jul 25 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You are still pedalling out nonsense and have learned nothing from this court case fiasco and humiliating settlement 6 years and £400k in the making.
The members have elected and followed the advice of people that did not and could not deliver. They made bad decisions and wasted a lot of time and money. The membership is responsible. There is no sign that they have learned anything.
Laudrup had never heard of Clotet. 'Nothing to do with me' he said. Martin is very different. Martin is explaining how in line he is with the club ethos and his background with the new man.
Martin has been given unprecedented control by Winter. This is on the basis of it being a long term project and Martin will have tied himself down for quite a few more seasons in return. A few more season in mid table is not out of the question but year on year progress with be required. It is the arsene Wenger model and new to Swansea.
The problem of the jenkinista era was the manager churn. Martin is being backed. |
I'm not getting into this withyou again, you are wrong about the members, end of.
Laudrup has nothing to do with it, he's irrelevant.
You do not know how much power Martin has, it's pure guesswork. Another assumption, you do love to make them.
Most clubs has manager churn, 18 months on average. Not many managers last long term.
If Martin does very well and a big club offer him big bucks, he'll go. It's almost a certainty. | |
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