| Harry Dunn case 17:53 - Oct 20 with 1031 views | britferry |
The woman who killed him by driving on the wrong side of the road outside a US air base in Northamptonshire, Anne Sacoolas, pleaded guilty to "causing death by careless driving" via a video-link from the USA.
She pleaded not guilty to causing death by dangerous driving.
Today in court prosecutor Duncan Atkinson KC said the plea to the lesser charge would be accepted by the crown, and the case was adjourned for sentencing in the week commencing November 28.
She now faces up to five years in prison, with Mr Dunn's family saying they accepted Saccolas's plea to the lesser charge as they 'didn't wish to separate her from her children'.
Sacoolas has been ordered to attend her sentencing hearing in person, but will avoid jail if she remains in the US.
So much for the "special relationship" between our countries, you just know the UK would have a British citizen on the first plane out. [Post edited 20 Oct 2022 17:55]
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| Harry Dunn case on 19:56 - Oct 20 with 974 views | Kilkennyjack |
What about Prince Andrew ? |  |
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| Harry Dunn case on 20:02 - Oct 20 with 957 views | Kilkennyjack |
This guy …..
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| Harry Dunn case on 21:00 - Oct 20 with 936 views | Jack123 |
Reading a little bit about that, I guess she got off lightly because the boys parents seem the forgiving type.
They seem happy enough with the outcome, and I suppose that's what counts.
For me though, doesn't seem right, charged originally with dangerous driving , then dropped to careless driving which more than likely will face community service. |  |
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| Harry Dunn case on 22:10 - Oct 20 with 903 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Harry Dunn case on 21:00 - Oct 20 by Jack123 |
Reading a little bit about that, I guess she got off lightly because the boys parents seem the forgiving type.
They seem happy enough with the outcome, and I suppose that's what counts.
For me though, doesn't seem right, charged originally with dangerous driving , then dropped to careless driving which more than likely will face community service. |
Early guilty plea, likely around an 18 m suspended sentence |  | | |
| Harry Dunn case on 22:21 - Oct 20 with 898 views | Jack123 |
| Harry Dunn case on 22:10 - Oct 20 by Sirjohnalot |
Early guilty plea, likely around an 18 m suspended sentence |
Thank you John, I read about the likelihood of community service from the BBC (I think). | |
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| Harry Dunn case on 22:32 - Oct 20 with 884 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Harry Dunn case on 22:21 - Oct 20 by Jack123 |
Thank you John, I read about the likelihood of community service from the BBC (I think). |
Can’t be a community penalty as she’s in America and wouldn’t be able to do it. I think all his family wanted was an acknowledgment of what happened. They’ve got that now. Terribly sad case. | | | |
| Harry Dunn case on 00:50 - Oct 21 with 854 views | Dr_Parnassus |
No point in putting her in prison for years on end, who is that helping?
It was an accident with obvious confusion surrounding the different countries road rules. I am sure many people have done the same only to quickly realise and correct it, she wasn’t so lucky (and of course neither was the man).
But things like this I find strange that people would want her in prison for any serious length of time. It would cost the country and tax payer vast sums of money and nothing really happens as a result apart from a woman’s life being ruined and her family being separated. |  |
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| Harry Dunn case on 08:17 - Oct 21 with 789 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Harry Dunn case on 00:50 - Oct 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
No point in putting her in prison for years on end, who is that helping?
It was an accident with obvious confusion surrounding the different countries road rules. I am sure many people have done the same only to quickly realise and correct it, she wasn’t so lucky (and of course neither was the man).
But things like this I find strange that people would want her in prison for any serious length of time. It would cost the country and tax payer vast sums of money and nothing really happens as a result apart from a woman’s life being ruined and her family being separated. |
Exactly the mitigation I’d put forward. Her fleeing will be a massively aggravating feature against her but a stand-alone suspended sentence would be the only realistic option. | | | |
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| Harry Dunn case on 09:23 - Oct 21 with 755 views | onehunglow |
| Harry Dunn case on 08:17 - Oct 21 by Sirjohnalot |
Exactly the mitigation I’d put forward. Her fleeing will be a massively aggravating feature against her but a stand-alone suspended sentence would be the only realistic option. |
"her fleeing". | |
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| Harry Dunn case on 09:43 - Oct 21 with 749 views | Whiterockin |
| Harry Dunn case on 22:32 - Oct 20 by Sirjohnalot |
Can’t be a community penalty as she’s in America and wouldn’t be able to do it. I think all his family wanted was an acknowledgment of what happened. They’ve got that now. Terribly sad case. |
John I feel that the family only wanted justice and a guilty result. But in circumstances like this, after she pleaded guilty to causing the death, does it leave the door open for a civil claim for financial loss. If he had been a couple of years older with a wife and young family, would they have a claim, because of the guilty result. Just curious. |  | | |
| Harry Dunn case on 09:47 - Oct 21 with 746 views | controversial_jack |
We have no jurisdiction over an American citizen, so she can't be punished here. I'm sure Sirjohn could elaborate on this | | | |
| Harry Dunn case on 10:22 - Oct 21 with 730 views | Jack123 |
| Harry Dunn case on 08:17 - Oct 21 by Sirjohnalot |
Exactly the mitigation I’d put forward. Her fleeing will be a massively aggravating feature against her but a stand-alone suspended sentence would be the only realistic option. |
I would hope, that the only reason she is not serving time behind bars, is of Harrys parents forgiveness.
There should be no mitigation to this, otherwise what are we saying in the Uk, come from another country, and don't obey our driving laws.. | |
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| Harry Dunn case on 10:54 - Oct 21 with 712 views | onehunglow |
| Harry Dunn case on 10:22 - Oct 21 by Jack123 |
I would hope, that the only reason she is not serving time behind bars, is of Harrys parents forgiveness.
There should be no mitigation to this, otherwise what are we saying in the Uk, come from another country, and don't obey our driving laws.. |
Absolutely.
Everyone who takes to the roads in a vehicle has to take responsibility for their actions
Mitigation .?
I d better keep Schtum | |
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| Harry Dunn case on 11:14 - Oct 21 with 687 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Harry Dunn case on 09:47 - Oct 21 by controversial_jack |
We have no jurisdiction over an American citizen, so she can't be punished here. I'm sure Sirjohn could elaborate on this |
Yes we do have jurisdiction over an American citizen if they commit offences whilst here. If she came back, the court could order her to do unpaid work eg and confiscate her passport till this is done. If she does not come back, they could still order a suspended sentence with unpaid work. She would then be breached and arrested if she ever entered the UK or even a European country, where extradition would be easier | | | |
| Harry Dunn case on 11:37 - Oct 21 with 665 views | CountyJim |
| Harry Dunn case on 00:50 - Oct 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
No point in putting her in prison for years on end, who is that helping?
It was an accident with obvious confusion surrounding the different countries road rules. I am sure many people have done the same only to quickly realise and correct it, she wasn’t so lucky (and of course neither was the man).
But things like this I find strange that people would want her in prison for any serious length of time. It would cost the country and tax payer vast sums of money and nothing really happens as a result apart from a woman’s life being ruined and her family being separated. |
Perhaps because she didn't stop didn't she leave the scene that in my opinion is disgusting she may have been able to help the lad who knows |  | | |
| Harry Dunn case on 12:47 - Oct 21 with 622 views | britferry |
| Harry Dunn case on 11:37 - Oct 21 by CountyJim |
Perhaps because she didn't stop didn't she leave the scene that in my opinion is disgusting she may have been able to help the lad who knows |
She didn't leave the scene, she was breathalysed by the police and admitted to driving on the wrong side | |
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| Harry Dunn case on 14:54 - Oct 21 with 586 views | controversial_jack |
| Harry Dunn case on 11:14 - Oct 21 by Sirjohnalot |
Yes we do have jurisdiction over an American citizen if they commit offences whilst here. If she came back, the court could order her to do unpaid work eg and confiscate her passport till this is done. If she does not come back, they could still order a suspended sentence with unpaid work. She would then be breached and arrested if she ever entered the UK or even a European country, where extradition would be easier |
We have no jurisdiction over an American citizen living in America is what i should have said
Of course, if she doesn't come here then that's it. I don't believe we have an extradition treaty that works both ways with the USA. | | | |
| Harry Dunn case on 14:55 - Oct 21 with 585 views | CountyJim |
| Harry Dunn case on 12:47 - Oct 21 by britferry |
She didn't leave the scene, she was breathalysed by the police and admitted to driving on the wrong side |
My mistake sorry | | | |
| Harry Dunn case on 21:48 - Oct 21 with 523 views | KeithHaynes |
| Harry Dunn case on 09:23 - Oct 21 by onehunglow |
"her fleeing". |
And hiding behind immunity.
Horrible person. |  |
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| Harry Dunn case on 21:49 - Oct 21 with 517 views | KeithHaynes |
| Harry Dunn case on 14:54 - Oct 21 by controversial_jack |
We have no jurisdiction over an American citizen living in America is what i should have said
Of course, if she doesn't come here then that's it. I don't believe we have an extradition treaty that works both ways with the USA. |
Not in this case but there are exceptions. | |
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| Harry Dunn case on 21:56 - Oct 21 with 506 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Harry Dunn case on 14:54 - Oct 21 by controversial_jack |
We have no jurisdiction over an American citizen living in America is what i should have said
Of course, if she doesn't come here then that's it. I don't believe we have an extradition treaty that works both ways with the USA. |
I don’t know, but surely we must some form of arrangement but I think it must be ordered by the citizen’s home court, but I’m not sure | | | |
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