| Strikes 08:25 - Aug 17 with 3176 views | onehunglow |
Didn’t take long then
Those nice train drivers going out every weekend from August 31st.
This after a rise giving them almost 70k per year
Pays to be in a big union when Labourv in power
The queuing has just started
Thanks Tories .
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| Strikes on 08:36 - Aug 17 with 2233 views | Boundy |
I thought they were in line for a nice rise or was that the wheel tappers and shutters union? | |
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| Strikes on 08:50 - Aug 17 with 2216 views | onehunglow |
| Strikes on 08:36 - Aug 17 by Boundy |
I thought they were in line for a nice rise or was that the wheel tappers and shutters union? |
If they went on strike,then they would have one too.
No wonder Starmers ratings have plummeted ,as I predicted.
Many are going to bitterly regret voting for this shower of ssss
When pensioners get wh@ Jed,it might wake people up.
Eat or heat . | |
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| Strikes on 09:05 - Aug 17 with 2200 views | onehunglow |
Train drivers offered 12.5 %
Police offered 5%.
Who’s the strongest”union” | |
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| Strikes on 09:07 - Aug 17 with 2194 views | Whiterockin |
| Strikes on 09:05 - Aug 17 by onehunglow |
Train drivers offered 12.5 %
Police offered 5%.
Who’s the strongest”union” |
The one that is allowed to strike. |  | | |
| Strikes on 09:37 - Aug 17 with 2166 views | onehunglow |
| Strikes on 09:07 - Aug 17 by Whiterockin |
The one that is allowed to strike. |
Whitey
These cretins are demanding more than double that of nurses
Most can do without train drivers ,few without nurses .
We have seen just the start
Broken ain’t the word | |
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| Strikes on 09:52 - Aug 17 with 2133 views | controversial_jack |
| Strikes on 09:37 - Aug 17 by onehunglow |
Whitey
These cretins are demanding more than double that of nurses
Most can do without train drivers ,few without nurses .
We have seen just the start
Broken ain’t the word |
The point you are missing is, train drivers etc work for private companies and rises are set by the companies and the market. Police and nurses are paid by the taxpayers. It's the same with footballers and their huge wages, the market decides, as they put bums on seats and sell merchandise and they are not paid by the taxpayer | | | |
| Strikes on 09:55 - Aug 17 with 2145 views | KeithHaynes |
| Strikes on 09:37 - Aug 17 by onehunglow |
Whitey
These cretins are demanding more than double that of nurses
Most can do without train drivers ,few without nurses .
We have seen just the start
Broken ain’t the word |
They state it’s not about money but ‘something else’ taking advantage of their links to the PM. Not sure what else they can moan about 🤷🏻♂️ |  |
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| Strikes on 09:58 - Aug 17 with 2134 views | KeithHaynes |
| Strikes on 09:52 - Aug 17 by controversial_jack |
The point you are missing is, train drivers etc work for private companies and rises are set by the companies and the market. Police and nurses are paid by the taxpayers. It's the same with footballers and their huge wages, the market decides, as they put bums on seats and sell merchandise and they are not paid by the taxpayer |
The public purse is set into differing categories, the police as an example used to have the Edmund Davies pay award, a Labour policy of the time and very fair. it’s been changed so often you get the impression Jason Levien is in charge. | |
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| Strikes on 10:21 - Aug 17 with 2101 views | onehunglow |
| Strikes on 09:58 - Aug 17 by KeithHaynes |
The public purse is set into differing categories, the police as an example used to have the Edmund Davies pay award, a Labour policy of the time and very fair. it’s been changed so often you get the impression Jason Levien is in charge. |
Indeed. It’s a fallacy Conservatives instigated Edmund Davis .Tgatcher merely implemented it .
It was introduced as police were diving out in great numbers of a job and oublic that shat on them.
Not unlike now really.
Police ,stupidly ,threw out the idea of them having a right to strike .
If they can’t, they are a special case.
May said they weren’t | |
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| Strikes on 11:02 - Aug 17 with 2051 views | AnotherJohn |
| Strikes on 09:52 - Aug 17 by controversial_jack |
The point you are missing is, train drivers etc work for private companies and rises are set by the companies and the market. Police and nurses are paid by the taxpayers. It's the same with footballers and their huge wages, the market decides, as they put bums on seats and sell merchandise and they are not paid by the taxpayer |
Actually the threatened strike involves drivers working for LNER, which has been nationalised. So this is a bit of a headache for the Government, even if the LNER management is at arm's length from Ministers. | | | |
| Strikes on 11:39 - Aug 17 with 2010 views | Whiterockin |
| Strikes on 11:02 - Aug 17 by AnotherJohn |
Actually the threatened strike involves drivers working for LNER, which has been nationalised. So this is a bit of a headache for the Government, even if the LNER management is at arm's length from Ministers. |
Now why have you replied with facts, time for yet another swerve. | | | |
| Strikes on 15:53 - Aug 17 with 1946 views | max936 |
| Strikes on 11:39 - Aug 17 by Whiterockin |
Now why have you replied with facts, time for yet another swerve. |
He's another one that people somehow respond to, its not as if the posters responding are newcomers, baffling! |  |
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| Strikes on 10:06 - Aug 18 with 1805 views | controversial_jack |
| Strikes on 11:02 - Aug 17 by AnotherJohn |
Actually the threatened strike involves drivers working for LNER, which has been nationalised. So this is a bit of a headache for the Government, even if the LNER management is at arm's length from Ministers. |
According to Union officials, companies were willing to negotiate with the Unions, but the previous transport minister put a block on it. Seems that is no longer the case | | | |
| Strikes on 13:06 - Aug 18 with 1746 views | Whiterockin |
| Strikes on 10:06 - Aug 18 by controversial_jack |
According to Union officials, companies were willing to negotiate with the Unions, but the previous transport minister put a block on it. Seems that is no longer the case |
Swerving away from your lie that all the train drivers work for private companies. | | | |
| Strikes on 13:33 - Aug 18 with 1711 views | raynor94 |
It doesn't do a new Labour government any credit, spending £14 Billion on strikes, whilst taking away the winter fuel allowance for Pensioners |  |
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| Strikes on 13:38 - Aug 18 with 1695 views | onehunglow |
| Strikes on 13:33 - Aug 18 by raynor94 |
It doesn't do a new Labour government any credit, spending £14 Billion on strikes, whilst taking away the winter fuel allowance for Pensioners |
It doesn’t
Pensioners funding already well paid train drivers.
Not surprising though .
Labour always punish those not in a strong union.
This is the shame of Johnson ensuring hard working folk recoil by sh@meful antics by him and his chums
This is the result .
Suck it up as much more to come | |
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| Strikes on 13:53 - Aug 18 with 1674 views | Whiterockin |
| Strikes on 13:33 - Aug 18 by raynor94 |
It doesn't do a new Labour government any credit, spending £14 Billion on strikes, whilst taking away the winter fuel allowance for Pensioners |
I wonder how these decisions will impact the Senedd elections. Plaid and Reform must be rubbing their hands together. | | | |
| Strikes on 15:18 - Aug 18 with 1607 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Most trains drive themselves these days. These drivers need to be careful what they wish for. |  |
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| Strikes on 15:18 - Aug 18 with 1598 views | controversial_jack |
| Strikes on 13:06 - Aug 18 by Whiterockin |
Swerving away from your lie that all the train drivers work for private companies. |
The majority are | | | |
| Strikes on 15:27 - Aug 18 with 1590 views | Whiterockin |
Who said this, no mention of majority.
"The point you are missing is, train drivers etc work for private companies and rises are set by the companies and the market." | | | |
| Strikes on 17:18 - Aug 19 with 1417 views | Boundy |
| Strikes on 15:27 - Aug 18 by Whiterockin |
Who said this, no mention of majority.
"The point you are missing is, train drivers etc work for private companies and rises are set by the companies and the market." |
Can't think for a moment why they would be offered such bank account busting rises, can you?
Cabinet ministers accepted hundreds of thousands in union donations before striking pay deals
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/cabinet-ministers-accepted-hundreds-of-tho | |
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| Strikes on 21:57 - Aug 19 with 1324 views | majorraglan |
I’m not saying I agree with the payments, but let’s put things in perspective. Some of them have accepted donations totalling £480k over a 5 year period which if you divide it up is a lot less than some of the previous government’s ministers and MP’s were receiving in payments from lobbyists, directorships etc. What is Farage picking his £1m for and that’s most certainly not over 5 years!!
The seeds of pay rises in most cases were sewed before Labour won the election. Some of the pay rises that Labour have honoured are as a direct result of inaction or potentially incompetence or even a trap laid by the previous regime. Public sector pay rises are usually agreed after a pay review process takes place, generally there’s an official side, a staff side (union, staff association such as the Police Federation) and a panel who hear the submissions from both sides and then make a recommendation. It has been standard practice over the years that the government of the day issue terms of reference and set the parameters for the review panels work based on affordability, this year the Conservative Government failed to set the usual parameters so there were no base lines re affordability. The panels have then set about doing their job and reported their findings as per usual custom, however by the time the panels report back there’s been a change of government and it’s Labour who have to deal with the recommendations. Do Labour honour the recommendations or do they go against them? I can only ever remember 1 occasion when a recommendation was ignored and that was when Theresa May ignored the recommendation submitted by the police pay panel and imposed a 1% increase contrary to the recommended settlement.
The big question we should be asking first is why didn’t the previous Conservative regime issue ball park guidance at the commencement the pay review panels work? Incompetence, an oversight, loss of focus or a deliberate trap. [Post edited 20 Aug 2024 8:01]
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| Strikes on 07:36 - Aug 20 with 1213 views | onehunglow |
| Strikes on 21:57 - Aug 19 by majorraglan |
I’m not saying I agree with the payments, but let’s put things in perspective. Some of them have accepted donations totalling £480k over a 5 year period which if you divide it up is a lot less than some of the previous government’s ministers and MP’s were receiving in payments from lobbyists, directorships etc. What is Farage picking his £1m for and that’s most certainly not over 5 years!!
The seeds of pay rises in most cases were sewed before Labour won the election. Some of the pay rises that Labour have honoured are as a direct result of inaction or potentially incompetence or even a trap laid by the previous regime. Public sector pay rises are usually agreed after a pay review process takes place, generally there’s an official side, a staff side (union, staff association such as the Police Federation) and a panel who hear the submissions from both sides and then make a recommendation. It has been standard practice over the years that the government of the day issue terms of reference and set the parameters for the review panels work based on affordability, this year the Conservative Government failed to set the usual parameters so there were no base lines re affordability. The panels have then set about doing their job and reported their findings as per usual custom, however by the time the panels report back there’s been a change of government and it’s Labour who have to deal with the recommendations. Do Labour honour the recommendations or do they go against them? I can only ever remember 1 occasion when a recommendation was ignored and that was when Theresa May ignored the recommendation submitted by the police pay panel and imposed a 1% increase contrary to the recommended settlement.
The big question we should be asking first is why didn’t the previous Conservative regime issue ball park guidance at the commencement the pay review panels work? Incompetence, an oversight, loss of focus or a deliberate trap. [Post edited 20 Aug 2024 8:01]
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And the fall out from May is what we are seeing right now . | |
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| Strikes on 09:30 - Aug 20 with 1157 views | Boundy |
| Strikes on 21:57 - Aug 19 by majorraglan |
I’m not saying I agree with the payments, but let’s put things in perspective. Some of them have accepted donations totalling £480k over a 5 year period which if you divide it up is a lot less than some of the previous government’s ministers and MP’s were receiving in payments from lobbyists, directorships etc. What is Farage picking his £1m for and that’s most certainly not over 5 years!!
The seeds of pay rises in most cases were sewed before Labour won the election. Some of the pay rises that Labour have honoured are as a direct result of inaction or potentially incompetence or even a trap laid by the previous regime. Public sector pay rises are usually agreed after a pay review process takes place, generally there’s an official side, a staff side (union, staff association such as the Police Federation) and a panel who hear the submissions from both sides and then make a recommendation. It has been standard practice over the years that the government of the day issue terms of reference and set the parameters for the review panels work based on affordability, this year the Conservative Government failed to set the usual parameters so there were no base lines re affordability. The panels have then set about doing their job and reported their findings as per usual custom, however by the time the panels report back there’s been a change of government and it’s Labour who have to deal with the recommendations. Do Labour honour the recommendations or do they go against them? I can only ever remember 1 occasion when a recommendation was ignored and that was when Theresa May ignored the recommendation submitted by the police pay panel and imposed a 1% increase contrary to the recommended settlement.
The big question we should be asking first is why didn’t the previous Conservative regime issue ball park guidance at the commencement the pay review panels work? Incompetence, an oversight, loss of focus or a deliberate trap. [Post edited 20 Aug 2024 8:01]
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Thanks for the post I must confess I'm not as well informed as yourself when it comes to the machinations of negotiations but as a layperson can only comment on what is apparent to all and that is for what ever reason the new government appears to be hell bent on appeasing the unions those as we all know finance the Labour party , now its the train guards who want the at least equivalent rises as the drivers and with no strings attached such as arise in productivity , you know the normal things that would be negotiated prior to an offer being made. The Government in their obscene haste to settle as become a hostage to yet more demands and this is just the start . Whether as you say it was ineptitude , laziness or what ever else it was with the Torys who knows but the fact remains this next few months is going to cost the tax payer millions if not billions. | |
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| Strikes on 10:34 - Aug 20 with 1111 views | controversial_jack |
| Strikes on 15:27 - Aug 18 by Whiterockin |
Who said this, no mention of majority.
"The point you are missing is, train drivers etc work for private companies and rises are set by the companies and the market." |
Exactly, that was my point. Not sure why some are blaming the govt for giving them rises. The previous govt bullied the private companies into not giving settlements | | | |
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