| Cost of Rachel's U-turns 09:35 - Jan 19 with 1167 views | AnotherJohn |
According to the Resolution Foundation the cost of U-turns on PIP, Universal Credit Health Element and WFA was £8.2 billion in 2025. This does not count the latest U-turns..
https://www.yahoo.com/news/art
https://www.resolutionfoundati
(See p.31 of pdf)
I don't agree with other things in this report, but the 8 billion plus cost seems plausible. |  | | |  |
| Cost of Rachel's U-turns on 12:05 - Jan 19 with 1106 views | Demitrius |
Since 2018-19 especially, it seems to me that countless billions have been squandered by both the Tories and now Labour....
I'd love to see an exact figure and how and to what extent it has affected increasing the national debt.
I don't agree with the conspiracy theorists that it's deliberate design to bankrupt Britain, I think it's simply we have a political elite who are grossly incompetent, fiscally irresponsible and have no idea how a balance sheet works. They are selfish criminal narcissists masquerading as MPs and Ministers.
We really should be storming the Bastille incandescent with rage but it all gets brushed under the carpet after every scandal and everyone goes back to sitting on their 'aris avidly watching The Traitors where art imitates life...
I feel a word in the ear of my mate Rupert might get things moving. Watch this space. [Post edited 19 Jan 12:07]
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| Cost of Rachel's U-turns on 12:30 - Jan 19 with 1073 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Cost of Rachel's U-turns on 12:05 - Jan 19 by Demitrius |
Since 2018-19 especially, it seems to me that countless billions have been squandered by both the Tories and now Labour....
I'd love to see an exact figure and how and to what extent it has affected increasing the national debt.
I don't agree with the conspiracy theorists that it's deliberate design to bankrupt Britain, I think it's simply we have a political elite who are grossly incompetent, fiscally irresponsible and have no idea how a balance sheet works. They are selfish criminal narcissists masquerading as MPs and Ministers.
We really should be storming the Bastille incandescent with rage but it all gets brushed under the carpet after every scandal and everyone goes back to sitting on their 'aris avidly watching The Traitors where art imitates life...
I feel a word in the ear of my mate Rupert might get things moving. Watch this space. [Post edited 19 Jan 12:07]
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Miliband may be a category on his own. He seems to think cost benefit cases don't include costs. |  |
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| Cost of Rachel's U-turns on 13:35 - Jan 19 with 1036 views | onehunglow |
| Cost of Rachel's U-turns on 12:05 - Jan 19 by Demitrius |
Since 2018-19 especially, it seems to me that countless billions have been squandered by both the Tories and now Labour....
I'd love to see an exact figure and how and to what extent it has affected increasing the national debt.
I don't agree with the conspiracy theorists that it's deliberate design to bankrupt Britain, I think it's simply we have a political elite who are grossly incompetent, fiscally irresponsible and have no idea how a balance sheet works. They are selfish criminal narcissists masquerading as MPs and Ministers.
We really should be storming the Bastille incandescent with rage but it all gets brushed under the carpet after every scandal and everyone goes back to sitting on their 'aris avidly watching The Traitors where art imitates life...
I feel a word in the ear of my mate Rupert might get things moving. Watch this space. [Post edited 19 Jan 12:07]
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| Cost of Rachel's U-turns on 15:03 - Jan 19 with 996 views | Dr_Winston |
| Cost of Rachel's U-turns on 12:30 - Jan 19 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Miliband may be a category on his own. He seems to think cost benefit cases don't include costs. |
I see they've been all over Twitter declaring what a good deal it is that we've secured for offshore energy when it's twice the price of gas when you take all the artificial costs out of it (carbon taxes etc). |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Cost of Rachel's U-turns on 16:27 - Jan 21 with 848 views | Gwyn737 |
Trump today:
"One thing I've noticed is that the more windmills a country has, the more money a country loses and the worse that country is doing.
China makes almost all of the windmills and yet, I havenet been able to find any wind farms in China."
China has by far the largest installed wind power capacity in the world. More than any other country.
There's quite a bit of hostilty on here in regards to green power. A question for those posters- are China wrong? | | | |
| Cost of Rachel's U-turns on 17:00 - Jan 21 with 814 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Cost of Rachel's U-turns on 16:27 - Jan 21 by Gwyn737 |
Trump today:
"One thing I've noticed is that the more windmills a country has, the more money a country loses and the worse that country is doing.
China makes almost all of the windmills and yet, I havenet been able to find any wind farms in China."
China has by far the largest installed wind power capacity in the world. More than any other country.
There's quite a bit of hostilty on here in regards to green power. A question for those posters- are China wrong? |
I'm critical of our approach to green energy, not of green energy itself.
There is no point importing fossil fuels during the transition when we have our own resources.
There is no point offshoring industries like cement and fertiliser, we still import them and our approach is generating more emissions as a result.
There is no point building wind farms when the infrastructure is not there and so the tax payer ends up paying money to energy generators when it's very windy!
The Government seems to only now realise that solar panels are a more mature technology than heat pumps
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art
Pushing people into expensive emerging technologies does not make sense when you could have a a more nuanced approach allowing technology to mature. We are busting a gut to use today's technologies to meet a target 25 years ahead, just stupid.
There is no single system EV charging network, how was that allowed to happen, if solid state batteries emerge as planned the game changes, how much money will we waste?
There is no point punishing the UK by going faster than everyone else, high cost for no benefit, indeed high cost for drawbacks!
The Government lacks a coherent plan and the ordinary tax payer is and will be fleeced as a result and our industry will not be competitive. Green industry is not the problem it's the hap hazard approach using today's solutions to solve a long term problem.
I get totally pissed of with the green is good eco zealots who can't think systematically, strategically or indeed employ a bit of common sense. Is China wrong? Well it's still increasing its emissions and building coal fired power stations, but unlike the UK it probably has a plan that works in the long term without cutting off it's own face. [Post edited 21 Jan 17:05]
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| Cost of Rachel's U-turns on 17:26 - Jan 21 with 786 views | Gwyn737 |
| Cost of Rachel's U-turns on 17:00 - Jan 21 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I'm critical of our approach to green energy, not of green energy itself.
There is no point importing fossil fuels during the transition when we have our own resources.
There is no point offshoring industries like cement and fertiliser, we still import them and our approach is generating more emissions as a result.
There is no point building wind farms when the infrastructure is not there and so the tax payer ends up paying money to energy generators when it's very windy!
The Government seems to only now realise that solar panels are a more mature technology than heat pumps
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art
Pushing people into expensive emerging technologies does not make sense when you could have a a more nuanced approach allowing technology to mature. We are busting a gut to use today's technologies to meet a target 25 years ahead, just stupid.
There is no single system EV charging network, how was that allowed to happen, if solid state batteries emerge as planned the game changes, how much money will we waste?
There is no point punishing the UK by going faster than everyone else, high cost for no benefit, indeed high cost for drawbacks!
The Government lacks a coherent plan and the ordinary tax payer is and will be fleeced as a result and our industry will not be competitive. Green industry is not the problem it's the hap hazard approach using today's solutions to solve a long term problem.
I get totally pissed of with the green is good eco zealots who can't think systematically, strategically or indeed employ a bit of common sense. Is China wrong? Well it's still increasing its emissions and building coal fired power stations, but unlike the UK it probably has a plan that works in the long term without cutting off it's own face. [Post edited 21 Jan 17:05]
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Good points.
I’d like to know how China are managing it as they seem well intrenched in their direction of travel. | | | |
| Cost of Rachel's U-turns on 17:44 - Jan 21 with 777 views | AnotherJohn |
| Cost of Rachel's U-turns on 17:26 - Jan 21 by Gwyn737 |
Good points.
I’d like to know how China are managing it as they seem well intrenched in their direction of travel. |
Good question. According to Co-Pilot it seems true that China has huge wind farm capacity, much of it offshore. My direct experience is limited to two work-related visits each of several weeks to Wuhan and three other central Chinese cities in recent years. I saw a lot of solar panels but not one wind turbine. There were a very large number of e-bikes (looking like small conventional motor cycles) and EV taxis. However, this did not translate into blue skies - even away from cities such as in the largely rural Three Gorges area, which has the world's largest hydro-electric power station. In Wuhan the sky seemed permanently grey and it took only about a week to develop a sore throat. My hosts told me there are only a few months in the year when the air isn't as bad. There still seems to be a lot of dirty heavy industry.
Edit. It may be that most of China's wind farms are offshore or in the north where winds are stronger. A quick internet search for Hubei province (where I mostly stayed) found a study from about 10 years ago stating that only 1% of energy generation there came from wind at that time. [Post edited 21 Jan 17:52]
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| Cost of Rachel's U-turns on 17:56 - Jan 21 with 766 views | Gwyn737 |
| Cost of Rachel's U-turns on 17:44 - Jan 21 by AnotherJohn |
Good question. According to Co-Pilot it seems true that China has huge wind farm capacity, much of it offshore. My direct experience is limited to two work-related visits each of several weeks to Wuhan and three other central Chinese cities in recent years. I saw a lot of solar panels but not one wind turbine. There were a very large number of e-bikes (looking like small conventional motor cycles) and EV taxis. However, this did not translate into blue skies - even away from cities such as in the largely rural Three Gorges area, which has the world's largest hydro-electric power station. In Wuhan the sky seemed permanently grey and it took only about a week to develop a sore throat. My hosts told me there are only a few months in the year when the air isn't as bad. There still seems to be a lot of dirty heavy industry.
Edit. It may be that most of China's wind farms are offshore or in the north where winds are stronger. A quick internet search for Hubei province (where I mostly stayed) found a study from about 10 years ago stating that only 1% of energy generation there came from wind at that time. [Post edited 21 Jan 17:52]
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Well that’s a lot of more experience than me!
I could only find figures that suggest it’s risen nationally to 10 -15% of energy produced in 2025 but I’m nit sure about the source so take with a pinch of salt.
It’s a shame Scotia doesn’t post anymore as he was well qualified and worked in the industry. | | | |
| Cost of Rachel's U-turns on 19:05 - Jan 21 with 730 views | majorraglan |
| Cost of Rachel's U-turns on 17:00 - Jan 21 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I'm critical of our approach to green energy, not of green energy itself.
There is no point importing fossil fuels during the transition when we have our own resources.
There is no point offshoring industries like cement and fertiliser, we still import them and our approach is generating more emissions as a result.
There is no point building wind farms when the infrastructure is not there and so the tax payer ends up paying money to energy generators when it's very windy!
The Government seems to only now realise that solar panels are a more mature technology than heat pumps
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art
Pushing people into expensive emerging technologies does not make sense when you could have a a more nuanced approach allowing technology to mature. We are busting a gut to use today's technologies to meet a target 25 years ahead, just stupid.
There is no single system EV charging network, how was that allowed to happen, if solid state batteries emerge as planned the game changes, how much money will we waste?
There is no point punishing the UK by going faster than everyone else, high cost for no benefit, indeed high cost for drawbacks!
The Government lacks a coherent plan and the ordinary tax payer is and will be fleeced as a result and our industry will not be competitive. Green industry is not the problem it's the hap hazard approach using today's solutions to solve a long term problem.
I get totally pissed of with the green is good eco zealots who can't think systematically, strategically or indeed employ a bit of common sense. Is China wrong? Well it's still increasing its emissions and building coal fired power stations, but unlike the UK it probably has a plan that works in the long term without cutting off it's own face. [Post edited 21 Jan 17:05]
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I agree with much of what you’ve said. I genuinely believe we need to wean ourselves of fossil fuels and reduce our reliance on unreliable regimes and governments, but it needs to be a balanced and blended approach. We should be extracting what’s left in the North Sea instead of importing oil from overseas, it creates jobs, generates revenues and taxes and helps with the balance of payments.
Looking in to the future and it seems that AI, cryptocurrency block chains etc all require massive amounts of energy, if we’re going to be in shape for the future we need to able to rely on a reliable source of cheap energy.
We’re well behind the curve and have been left down by successive governments over a long period. | | | |
| Cost of Rachel's U-turns on 20:30 - Jan 21 with 693 views | Dr_Winston |
The World allowed itself to be excessively influenced by the green (red) lobby over the last 40 years. We could be generating plenty of cheap, carbon free energy via nuclear right now instead of scarring our landscapes with windmills and solar panels.
There is a place for both, but as an assistance rather than primary supply. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Cost of Rachel's U-turns on 20:58 - Jan 21 with 677 views | onehunglow |
| Cost of Rachel's U-turns on 20:30 - Jan 21 by Dr_Winston |
The World allowed itself to be excessively influenced by the green (red) lobby over the last 40 years. We could be generating plenty of cheap, carbon free energy via nuclear right now instead of scarring our landscapes with windmills and solar panels.
There is a place for both, but as an assistance rather than primary supply. |
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