| France 11:29 - Jul 28 with 1993 views | RonaldStump |
New rules in France mean that if a child does not get vaccinated they will n longer be allowed to attend school. Which means they will be uneducated as home schooling is illegal
The French won't put up with that!! The streets will be swarming very soon |  |
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| France on 13:51 - Jul 28 with 1490 views | Scotia |
Not true. | | | |
| France on 14:58 - Jul 28 with 1449 views | KeithHaynes |
Context. |  |
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| France on 15:01 - Jul 28 with 1435 views | pikeypaul |
Since the parents who stop their children getting vaccinated think they are more educated and knowledgeable than the people who have formulated and advised the use of the vaccine then they will have no trouble educating their children themselves will they. |  |
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| France on 15:02 - Jul 28 with 1435 views | Whiterockin |
| France on 15:01 - Jul 28 by pikeypaul |
Since the parents who stop their children getting vaccinated think they are more educated and knowledgeable than the people who have formulated and advised the use of the vaccine then they will have no trouble educating their children themselves will they. |
As long as they don't teach them science. |  | | |
| France on 15:04 - Jul 28 with 1420 views | pikeypaul |
| France on 15:02 - Jul 28 by Whiterockin |
As long as they don't teach them science. |
Or common sense. | |
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| France on 15:12 - Jul 28 with 1401 views | londonlisa2001 |
The French have had compulsory childhood vaccinations for years. They’ve increased the number about 2 years ago as France has a particularly high number of anti vaccine morons. Nothing to do with Covid. | | | |
| France on 15:26 - Jul 28 with 1387 views | Lohengrin |
| France on 15:12 - Jul 28 by londonlisa2001 |
The French have had compulsory childhood vaccinations for years. They’ve increased the number about 2 years ago as France has a particularly high number of anti vaccine morons. Nothing to do with Covid. |
” France has a particularly high number of anti vaccine morons.”
Why do you think that is? Do you think large swathes of the French populace have been persuaded by internet conspiracy theories or is their belligerence a stick to beat Macron with?
Personally, I’d lean toward the latter. |  |
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| France on 15:31 - Jul 28 with 1377 views | pikeypaul |
| France on 15:26 - Jul 28 by Lohengrin |
” France has a particularly high number of anti vaccine morons.”
Why do you think that is? Do you think large swathes of the French populace have been persuaded by internet conspiracy theories or is their belligerence a stick to beat Macron with?
Personally, I’d lean toward the latter. |
It maybe to do with something that we are not allowed to talk about on this forum.
Notice I said maybe,we can’t go upsetting the easily offended,can we? They may have another buzz fit and a tantrum [Post edited 28 Jul 2021 15:33]
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| France on 16:54 - Jul 28 with 1331 views | londonlisa2001 |
| France on 15:26 - Jul 28 by Lohengrin |
” France has a particularly high number of anti vaccine morons.”
Why do you think that is? Do you think large swathes of the French populace have been persuaded by internet conspiracy theories or is their belligerence a stick to beat Macron with?
Personally, I’d lean toward the latter. |
Nothing to do with either.
This isn’t a new thing, it’s been the case for years and years over there. Covid has had a higher take up than most vaccine drives (which is why they’ve 11 compulsory vaccines now - not Covid). Measles is a particular problem recently.
According to a French person I know it’s to do with their notion of libertarianism and dislike of anyone, whether doctors or otherwise, telling them what to do. But she also said it’s because we forget how much of the French population is deeply rural and they think it’s all new fangled nonsense. | | | |
| France on 16:57 - Jul 28 with 1334 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| France on 15:26 - Jul 28 by Lohengrin |
” France has a particularly high number of anti vaccine morons.”
Why do you think that is? Do you think large swathes of the French populace have been persuaded by internet conspiracy theories or is their belligerence a stick to beat Macron with?
Personally, I’d lean toward the latter. |
France has had a few recent issues with medication including a drug called Mediator which led to some 2,000 deaths.
I'm double vaccinated but still have concerns about the long term effects of the recently developed vaccines as no one can know what these are, time will tell, as will the full lifecycle effects.
I have no issue with those who elect not to have a vaccine, it is their choice in a free society. The alternative is some kind of totalitarian state where everyone is forced to take medication etc.
Calling people who make a choice on what is injected into their bodies morons does not help. |  |
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| France on 17:22 - Jul 28 with 1303 views | londonlisa2001 |
| France on 16:57 - Jul 28 by JACKMANANDBOY |
France has had a few recent issues with medication including a drug called Mediator which led to some 2,000 deaths.
I'm double vaccinated but still have concerns about the long term effects of the recently developed vaccines as no one can know what these are, time will tell, as will the full lifecycle effects.
I have no issue with those who elect not to have a vaccine, it is their choice in a free society. The alternative is some kind of totalitarian state where everyone is forced to take medication etc.
Calling people who make a choice on what is injected into their bodies morons does not help. |
I think anti Vaxxers deserve the title of ‘moron’.
For they are moronic. And they adversely affect the rest of us. So being contemptuous of them is fine.
At least if they are quiet and just don’t get vaccinated that’s one thing. But they spend an inordinate amount of time trying to persuade others not to get vaccinated as well. Look at it on here. And it’s not equivalent. Because them refusing a vaccine affects me. Me being vaccinated has no effect whatsoever on them. | | | |
| France on 18:17 - Jul 28 with 1269 views | Lohengrin |
| France on 16:54 - Jul 28 by londonlisa2001 |
Nothing to do with either.
This isn’t a new thing, it’s been the case for years and years over there. Covid has had a higher take up than most vaccine drives (which is why they’ve 11 compulsory vaccines now - not Covid). Measles is a particular problem recently.
According to a French person I know it’s to do with their notion of libertarianism and dislike of anyone, whether doctors or otherwise, telling them what to do. But she also said it’s because we forget how much of the French population is deeply rural and they think it’s all new fangled nonsense. |
So your friend basically presented you with something of a nexus. A point where the historically, almost exclusively urban, left-leaning tradition of French Libertarianism meets ‘ la France éternelle;’ the rooted, Catholic, agricultural France.
I know nothing of French attitudes to vaccinations, I have no insight to offer, but I do find your friend’s observation very interesting in itself. | |
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| France on 18:24 - Jul 28 with 1267 views | Lohengrin |
| France on 16:57 - Jul 28 by JACKMANANDBOY |
France has had a few recent issues with medication including a drug called Mediator which led to some 2,000 deaths.
I'm double vaccinated but still have concerns about the long term effects of the recently developed vaccines as no one can know what these are, time will tell, as will the full lifecycle effects.
I have no issue with those who elect not to have a vaccine, it is their choice in a free society. The alternative is some kind of totalitarian state where everyone is forced to take medication etc.
Calling people who make a choice on what is injected into their bodies morons does not help. |
” The alternative is some kind of totalitarian state where everyone is forced to take medication.”
Couched in those terms it’s the classic Totalitarianism of Orwellian and Huxleyan imagination where everything that isn’t proscribed, isn’t forbidden, is compulsory and vice versa. | |
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| France on 20:25 - Jul 28 with 1217 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| France on 17:22 - Jul 28 by londonlisa2001 |
I think anti Vaxxers deserve the title of ‘moron’.
For they are moronic. And they adversely affect the rest of us. So being contemptuous of them is fine.
At least if they are quiet and just don’t get vaccinated that’s one thing. But they spend an inordinate amount of time trying to persuade others not to get vaccinated as well. Look at it on here. And it’s not equivalent. Because them refusing a vaccine affects me. Me being vaccinated has no effect whatsoever on them. |
Here a few more to hold in contempt?
Smokers including pregnant mothers, 70,000 deaths a year and 700,000 hospital admissions, adversely impacting everyone else. Similarly heavy drinkers and people who over eat, 50% of NHS activity is avoidable metabolic disease. | |
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| France on 20:47 - Jul 28 with 1204 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
| France on 20:25 - Jul 28 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Here a few more to hold in contempt?
Smokers including pregnant mothers, 70,000 deaths a year and 700,000 hospital admissions, adversely impacting everyone else. Similarly heavy drinkers and people who over eat, 50% of NHS activity is avoidable metabolic disease. |
Exactly.
It is those constantly finding fascism where none exists who are the actual fascists these days.
They can't see it though, because they lack wisdom.
This is a fundamentally childish society, the entitled self-appointed morality police are, by and large, people who are in a state of 'Arrested Development'.
Something happened in the 1960s (...and let's be honest, the thing that happened was the seduction of our youth by the Left) which led people to believe that a life of selfish narcissism and a refusal to take the responsibilities previous generations had 'inherited' and shouldered was just fine...just so long as you said the right words in the right order at the right time, the script of the Left on what is good and right and proper, then you were a good person.
Regardless of your actions.
It was an induced state of delusion.
As a result a large amount of people living in the West have experienced damaged childhoods...trauma suffered in childhood is one of the primary causes of 'Arrested Development'.
Previous generations told themselves; "it's just the kids playing up...everyone is stupid at that age...they'll grow up".
Well they never did grow up.
And now we are in an almighty mess. |  |
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| France on 21:01 - Jul 28 with 1192 views | londonlisa2001 |
| France on 20:25 - Jul 28 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Here a few more to hold in contempt?
Smokers including pregnant mothers, 70,000 deaths a year and 700,000 hospital admissions, adversely impacting everyone else. Similarly heavy drinkers and people who over eat, 50% of NHS activity is avoidable metabolic disease. |
Smokers affect themselves these days as they are not allowed to smoke in a way that affects others. Dreadful if they affect the unborn. I agree,
The obese are the same. Only affect themselves.
You seem to misunderstand me. People can do what they want in my view. As long as they don’t affect others. When they do affect others, they should be either forced to comply (I don’t agree with that) or kept away from people they could adversely affect (I agree with that). Smokers are kept away from everyone else.
We aren’t talking financial impact (smokers more than pay enough tax to cover the cost to the NHS) so they really don’t affect everyone else), we are talking effect on health. | | | |
| France on 21:08 - Jul 28 with 1184 views | londonlisa2001 |
| France on 18:17 - Jul 28 by Lohengrin |
So your friend basically presented you with something of a nexus. A point where the historically, almost exclusively urban, left-leaning tradition of French Libertarianism meets ‘ la France éternelle;’ the rooted, Catholic, agricultural France.
I know nothing of French attitudes to vaccinations, I have no insight to offer, but I do find your friend’s observation very interesting in itself. |
She says a lot of France operates like that. An amazing synergy between on the face of it competing interests. She’s French of course so is amazingly laissez faire about everything. A shrug and a ‘what can you do’. | | | |
| France on 21:45 - Jul 28 with 1161 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| France on 21:01 - Jul 28 by londonlisa2001 |
Smokers affect themselves these days as they are not allowed to smoke in a way that affects others. Dreadful if they affect the unborn. I agree,
The obese are the same. Only affect themselves.
You seem to misunderstand me. People can do what they want in my view. As long as they don’t affect others. When they do affect others, they should be either forced to comply (I don’t agree with that) or kept away from people they could adversely affect (I agree with that). Smokers are kept away from everyone else.
We aren’t talking financial impact (smokers more than pay enough tax to cover the cost to the NHS) so they really don’t affect everyone else), we are talking effect on health. |
The impact of smokers, heavy drinkers and over eaters is that they occupy aboput 50% of the NHS impacting everyone. | |
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| France on 22:32 - Jul 28 with 1140 views | felixstowe_jack |
| France on 21:08 - Jul 28 by londonlisa2001 |
She says a lot of France operates like that. An amazing synergy between on the face of it competing interests. She’s French of course so is amazingly laissez faire about everything. A shrug and a ‘what can you do’. |
I see the French will only allow entry to cinemas unless fully vaccinated. A huge rush from youngsters to get vaccinated. The were only protesting a couple of days ago about their loss if freedom. | |
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| France on 22:40 - Jul 28 with 1131 views | Glossolalia |
| France on 21:45 - Jul 28 by JACKMANANDBOY |
The impact of smokers, heavy drinkers and over eaters is that they occupy aboput 50% of the NHS impacting everyone. |
Someone
F*cking
Gets
It
Bravo.
And how often did we hear about the patent link between obesity and COVID? Seldom. There is zero accountability and instead we insist on magic bullets to solve our health issues. Truly, truly pathetic. [Post edited 28 Jul 2021 22:42]
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| France on 23:46 - Jul 28 with 1099 views | RonaldStump |
| France on 21:01 - Jul 28 by londonlisa2001 |
Smokers affect themselves these days as they are not allowed to smoke in a way that affects others. Dreadful if they affect the unborn. I agree,
The obese are the same. Only affect themselves.
You seem to misunderstand me. People can do what they want in my view. As long as they don’t affect others. When they do affect others, they should be either forced to comply (I don’t agree with that) or kept away from people they could adversely affect (I agree with that). Smokers are kept away from everyone else.
We aren’t talking financial impact (smokers more than pay enough tax to cover the cost to the NHS) so they really don’t affect everyone else), we are talking effect on health. |
Explain to me why someone who hasn't been vaccinated is affecting you if you have been vaccinated? You're not going to die or end up in hospital according to the so called experts. If you don't want to mix with vaccinated people who exercise their god given right not to partake, then you can exercise your god given right and stay at home and isolate for the rest of your life, i'm sure you won't be missed. | |
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| France on 09:33 - Jul 29 with 1022 views | pikeypaul |
| France on 20:47 - Jul 28 by Ajack_Kerouac |
Exactly.
It is those constantly finding fascism where none exists who are the actual fascists these days.
They can't see it though, because they lack wisdom.
This is a fundamentally childish society, the entitled self-appointed morality police are, by and large, people who are in a state of 'Arrested Development'.
Something happened in the 1960s (...and let's be honest, the thing that happened was the seduction of our youth by the Left) which led people to believe that a life of selfish narcissism and a refusal to take the responsibilities previous generations had 'inherited' and shouldered was just fine...just so long as you said the right words in the right order at the right time, the script of the Left on what is good and right and proper, then you were a good person.
Regardless of your actions.
It was an induced state of delusion.
As a result a large amount of people living in the West have experienced damaged childhoods...trauma suffered in childhood is one of the primary causes of 'Arrested Development'.
Previous generations told themselves; "it's just the kids playing up...everyone is stupid at that age...they'll grow up".
Well they never did grow up.
And now we are in an almighty mess. |
One of the best posts ever posted on this forum. | |
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| France on 11:22 - Jul 29 with 983 views | 73__73 |
| France on 21:01 - Jul 28 by londonlisa2001 |
Smokers affect themselves these days as they are not allowed to smoke in a way that affects others. Dreadful if they affect the unborn. I agree,
The obese are the same. Only affect themselves.
You seem to misunderstand me. People can do what they want in my view. As long as they don’t affect others. When they do affect others, they should be either forced to comply (I don’t agree with that) or kept away from people they could adversely affect (I agree with that). Smokers are kept away from everyone else.
We aren’t talking financial impact (smokers more than pay enough tax to cover the cost to the NHS) so they really don’t affect everyone else), we are talking effect on health. |
What a load of nonsense. Smoke lingers for many hours, and therefore someone who enters a smokers home for example, ie workman/woman would be breathing in potentially lethal air, and this is perfectly legal, just like it’s perfectly legal to smoke at home, even if children also live there.
Also you are wrong when it come to obese people. How much NHS time, money and waiting list is clogged up with obese people, and the knock on effect being people who look after themselves, potentially dying as a result of not receiving the treatment they need. [Post edited 29 Jul 2021 12:42]
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| France on 11:31 - Jul 29 with 978 views | 73__73 |
| France on 22:40 - Jul 28 by Glossolalia |
Someone
F*cking
Gets
It
Bravo.
And how often did we hear about the patent link between obesity and COVID? Seldom. There is zero accountability and instead we insist on magic bullets to solve our health issues. Truly, truly pathetic. [Post edited 28 Jul 2021 22:42]
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Absolutely. I’ve been saying for many years that the NHS is a money monster that will keep on swallowing billions upon billions of extra cash and it won’t make one iota of difference.
To save the NHS people need to take responsibility for their own lives. | |
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| France on 13:48 - Jul 29 with 936 views | controversial_jack |
| France on 20:25 - Jul 28 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Here a few more to hold in contempt?
Smokers including pregnant mothers, 70,000 deaths a year and 700,000 hospital admissions, adversely impacting everyone else. Similarly heavy drinkers and people who over eat, 50% of NHS activity is avoidable metabolic disease. |
Smokers and drinkers fund the NHS | | | |
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