| Pandora papers on 09:09 - Oct 4 with 1095 views | Boundy |
Champagne socialism at its best . All politicians feeding in the pigs trough of life is nothing new I'm afraid, its just another case of do as I say but not what I do |  |
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| Pandora papers on 09:21 - Oct 4 with 1089 views | YrAlarch |
Blair was never a Socialist. I would not even class him as a social democrat.
He is an out and out capitalist and should have been a member of the Conservative Party, but he would not have attained the Leadership. | | | |
| Pandora papers on 09:34 - Oct 4 with 1077 views | trampie |
Tony Blair was a Tory. |  |
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| Pandora papers on 09:37 - Oct 4 with 1077 views | Catullus |
In his first speech as Labour leader in 1994, Mr Blair said: "Millionaires with the right accountant pay nothing while pensioners pay VAT on fuel"
And after 10 years as Prime Minister Tony 'Teflon' Blair did nothing to close those loopholes and perks, he even had major firms like KPMG advise him on changes which seem to have opened up even more loopholes and perks, for the rich anyway.
He did nothing illegal maybe but he did nothing to out this scam right when he could either and now he takes great advantage of these scams.
The UK tax payer is still picking up the bill for his security aren't we? he's rich enough that he can afford to pay for his own now. He's amassed great wealth since quitting politics. | |
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| Pandora papers on 09:39 - Oct 4 with 1070 views | onehunglow |
Tony Blair was a Labour Party member as was Jeremy Coby’s. Two middle class lads who in their own way appalled millions . | |
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| Pandora papers on 10:00 - Oct 4 with 1063 views | Boundy |
| Pandora papers on 09:39 - Oct 4 by onehunglow |
Tony Blair was a Labour Party member as was Jeremy Coby’s. Two middle class lads who in their own way appalled millions . |
From the great man himself In his maiden speech in the House of Commons on 6 July 1983, "I am a socialist not through reading a textbook that has caught my intellectual fancy, nor through unthinking tradition, but because I believe that, at its best, socialism corresponds most closely to an existence that is both rational and moral. It stands for cooperation, not confrontation; for fellowship, not fear. It stands for equality"
Strange that those who voted for the charlatan under the banner New Labour
(there maybe a hint in the banner oft presented to the voters and media ) nowadays want to dis associate him from Labour . | |
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| Pandora papers on 10:07 - Oct 4 with 1061 views | YrAlarch |
| Pandora papers on 09:39 - Oct 4 by onehunglow |
Tony Blair was a Labour Party member as was Jeremy Coby’s. Two middle class lads who in their own way appalled millions . |
Of course Blair was a Labour Party member. No great secret there. But he was a member in name only. He did not subscribe to Labour Party values and began to accumulate his wealth whilst a member. His missus also had a reputation for greed. There is the well known story of their visit to a jewellers in Australia whilst on an official visit. She also did not like paying her tube fare.
There is nothing wrong with being a member of the Party and being middle class, like 'Coby' (whoever he is). It's all about adhering to the values.
Why this obsession with social class OHL? | | | |
| Pandora papers on 10:09 - Oct 4 with 1058 views | trampie |
| Pandora papers on 10:00 - Oct 4 by Boundy |
From the great man himself In his maiden speech in the House of Commons on 6 July 1983, "I am a socialist not through reading a textbook that has caught my intellectual fancy, nor through unthinking tradition, but because I believe that, at its best, socialism corresponds most closely to an existence that is both rational and moral. It stands for cooperation, not confrontation; for fellowship, not fear. It stands for equality"
Strange that those who voted for the charlatan under the banner New Labour
(there maybe a hint in the banner oft presented to the voters and media ) nowadays want to dis associate him from Labour . |
They are still there, many in Labour are traitors to Labours roots, they are red Tories. | |
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| Pandora papers on 10:15 - Oct 4 with 1054 views | YrAlarch |
| Pandora papers on 10:00 - Oct 4 by Boundy |
From the great man himself In his maiden speech in the House of Commons on 6 July 1983, "I am a socialist not through reading a textbook that has caught my intellectual fancy, nor through unthinking tradition, but because I believe that, at its best, socialism corresponds most closely to an existence that is both rational and moral. It stands for cooperation, not confrontation; for fellowship, not fear. It stands for equality"
Strange that those who voted for the charlatan under the banner New Labour
(there maybe a hint in the banner oft presented to the voters and media ) nowadays want to dis associate him from Labour . |
'cooperation, not confrontation' ... tell that to innocent Iraqi civilians! | | | |
| Pandora papers on 10:17 - Oct 4 with 1049 views | onehunglow |
| Pandora papers on 10:07 - Oct 4 by YrAlarch |
Of course Blair was a Labour Party member. No great secret there. But he was a member in name only. He did not subscribe to Labour Party values and began to accumulate his wealth whilst a member. His missus also had a reputation for greed. There is the well known story of their visit to a jewellers in Australia whilst on an official visit. She also did not like paying her tube fare.
There is nothing wrong with being a member of the Party and being middle class, like 'Coby' (whoever he is). It's all about adhering to the values.
Why this obsession with social class OHL? |
Because the country is, you are. It is why you comment thus.
Socialism is an ideal that yiu stick to. That s fine
Those who go to public schools are hammered BUT they often go on to claim they are looking after the working class. That is not my term,nor is middle class but look around at the comments on here which are formed by social class adherence
Still, a decent exchange. Innit. | |
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| Pandora papers on 10:24 - Oct 4 with 1040 views | trampie |
What is wrong with the Labour party is people like Blair and most of Labours current MPs they are right wing and would be far more at home in the Conservative party as they are not Labour they are Labour in name only and all should be expelled from the Labour party. | |
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| Pandora papers on 10:35 - Oct 4 with 1033 views | YrAlarch |
| Pandora papers on 10:17 - Oct 4 by onehunglow |
Because the country is, you are. It is why you comment thus.
Socialism is an ideal that yiu stick to. That s fine
Those who go to public schools are hammered BUT they often go on to claim they are looking after the working class. That is not my term,nor is middle class but look around at the comments on here which are formed by social class adherence
Still, a decent exchange. Innit. |
I do believe it was you who brought up the issue of class. I simply responded. Please go back over you posts. | | | |
| Pandora papers on 10:36 - Oct 4 with 1033 views | Boundy |
| Pandora papers on 10:07 - Oct 4 by YrAlarch |
Of course Blair was a Labour Party member. No great secret there. But he was a member in name only. He did not subscribe to Labour Party values and began to accumulate his wealth whilst a member. His missus also had a reputation for greed. There is the well known story of their visit to a jewellers in Australia whilst on an official visit. She also did not like paying her tube fare.
There is nothing wrong with being a member of the Party and being middle class, like 'Coby' (whoever he is). It's all about adhering to the values.
Why this obsession with social class OHL? |
He wasn't just a member, he was the elected leader , elected by like minded .The rumours about Blairs propensity for the finer things in life only came to light during his term in office , us oiks at the time had no idea prior to voting for his new form of socialism .There's no shame in saying he fooled you , he fooled a lot of people including me, but to say he wasn't a labourite is doing a disservice tho those who elected him . | |
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| Pandora papers on 10:41 - Oct 4 with 1025 views | trampie |
| Pandora papers on 10:36 - Oct 4 by Boundy |
He wasn't just a member, he was the elected leader , elected by like minded .The rumours about Blairs propensity for the finer things in life only came to light during his term in office , us oiks at the time had no idea prior to voting for his new form of socialism .There's no shame in saying he fooled you , he fooled a lot of people including me, but to say he wasn't a labourite is doing a disservice tho those who elected him . |
NuLabour didn't fool everyone mind you, personally I knew what they were and I never voted for them (perhaps because I took an interest and most don't) lots of Socialists in Wales and Scotland recognised they had become a another Tory party and joined and voted SNP and Plaid, hence why SNP took charge in Scotland and Plaid held firm in Wales against a background of English immigration. | |
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| Pandora papers on 10:54 - Oct 4 with 1009 views | majorraglan |
I am not keen on Tony Blair, while what’s happened isn’t illegal, it’s disgusting and morally wrong how people like him and can get away with avoiding tax that the average person will be clobbered with. The guy should be ashamed of himself. People trying to get on the property ladder and those seeking to upgrade are being hammered with Stamp Duty while others get away with it.
It’s a much bigger issue than just Tony Blair, thank goodness that we have decent investigative journalists at some of our media outlets. [Post edited 4 Oct 2021 10:55]
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| Pandora papers on 11:01 - Oct 4 with 988 views | onehunglow |
| Pandora papers on 10:54 - Oct 4 by majorraglan |
I am not keen on Tony Blair, while what’s happened isn’t illegal, it’s disgusting and morally wrong how people like him and can get away with avoiding tax that the average person will be clobbered with. The guy should be ashamed of himself. People trying to get on the property ladder and those seeking to upgrade are being hammered with Stamp Duty while others get away with it.
It’s a much bigger issue than just Tony Blair, thank goodness that we have decent investigative journalists at some of our media outlets. [Post edited 4 Oct 2021 10:55]
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A levelled response and credit to you.
Alarch made a moot point about class obsession. He is right. It is drummed into most up of us but I was lucky.
My parents were from fpdifferent backgrounds. Mum dirt poor ,dad quite wealthy .
Neither aligned politically Both distrusted politician of all hues.
Grandad was a Ratepayers councillor for a few years .
I learned long ago Labour do not look after the poor as the Tories are not the party for law and order.
Both mantra filthy bellwethers | |
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| Pandora papers on 11:03 - Oct 4 with 986 views | Boundy |
| Pandora papers on 10:41 - Oct 4 by trampie |
NuLabour didn't fool everyone mind you, personally I knew what they were and I never voted for them (perhaps because I took an interest and most don't) lots of Socialists in Wales and Scotland recognised they had become a another Tory party and joined and voted SNP and Plaid, hence why SNP took charge in Scotland and Plaid held firm in Wales against a background of English immigration. |
Well Plaids "stance" against English migration into Wales worked out well, . As of now 20.8% of Welsh population is English-born.I wonder what outcry there would be should the English hold the same political ideals , considering the Senedd have no interest in creating a viable work force in areas most needed in wales then should we just continue to stagnate as a country because of some political idealism to stop the nasty English pervading our space | |
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| Pandora papers on 11:17 - Oct 4 with 975 views | trampie |
| Pandora papers on 11:03 - Oct 4 by Boundy |
Well Plaids "stance" against English migration into Wales worked out well, . As of now 20.8% of Welsh population is English-born.I wonder what outcry there would be should the English hold the same political ideals , considering the Senedd have no interest in creating a viable work force in areas most needed in wales then should we just continue to stagnate as a country because of some political idealism to stop the nasty English pervading our space |
It's Labour that are incharge in Wales and the Tories in Westminster, Wales is part of the UK and people can move where they like within the UK as long as the UK doesn't break up. Plaid stance is to try and get the English people to vote for them, my English neighbours vote Plaid and they are very politically engaged, incase you are wondering they don't know who I vote for, lol. | |
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| Pandora papers on 11:38 - Oct 4 with 948 views | controversial_jack |
Tony and his wife are both Barristers and know the system inside out. They put their money in trusts, and trusts within trusts. You cannot take a trust to court | | | |
| Pandora papers on 12:09 - Oct 4 with 924 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Pandora papers on 09:34 - Oct 4 by trampie |
Tony Blair was a Tory. |
Sorry to disillusion you but he was labour's longest serving Prime minister. Just because you don't like him you can't now call him a Conservative. After all it was the 350 plus labour MPs who voted in the commons to put all his legislation into law. Maybe they were all Conservatives as well. | |
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| Pandora papers on 12:17 - Oct 4 with 915 views | majorraglan |
| Pandora papers on 12:09 - Oct 4 by felixstowe_jack |
Sorry to disillusion you but he was labour's longest serving Prime minister. Just because you don't like him you can't now call him a Conservative. After all it was the 350 plus labour MPs who voted in the commons to put all his legislation into law. Maybe they were all Conservatives as well. |
Agreed.
He wasn’t a Tory, but neither was he the socialist type a lot a Labour supporters yearn for now. He was middle ground which is where the Labour Party need to be if they want to attract sufficient support in Middle England to regain power, but they can’t see it and until then Boris and his crew (who are some of the worst we’ve ever had ) will form the government. | | | |
| Pandora papers on 12:53 - Oct 4 with 897 views | trampie |
| Pandora papers on 12:09 - Oct 4 by felixstowe_jack |
Sorry to disillusion you but he was labour's longest serving Prime minister. Just because you don't like him you can't now call him a Conservative. After all it was the 350 plus labour MPs who voted in the commons to put all his legislation into law. Maybe they were all Conservatives as well. |
Yes I can call him a Tory because I called him a Tory before he won the election and I called the majority of Labour MPs Tories at the time before the election also. | |
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| Pandora papers on 12:59 - Oct 4 with 884 views | Boundy |
| Pandora papers on 12:53 - Oct 4 by trampie |
Yes I can call him a Tory because I called him a Tory before he won the election and I called the majority of Labour MPs Tories at the time before the election also. |
You can call him a pink coloured door , doesn't mean he is . | |
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| Pandora papers on 13:00 - Oct 4 with 881 views | trampie |
| Pandora papers on 12:17 - Oct 4 by majorraglan |
Agreed.
He wasn’t a Tory, but neither was he the socialist type a lot a Labour supporters yearn for now. He was middle ground which is where the Labour Party need to be if they want to attract sufficient support in Middle England to regain power, but they can’t see it and until then Boris and his crew (who are some of the worst we’ve ever had ) will form the government. |
From what I hear lots of the grassroots faithful yearn for a dyed in the wool socialist as per their principles of old. | |
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| Pandora papers on 13:15 - Oct 4 with 869 views | trampie |
| Pandora papers on 12:59 - Oct 4 by Boundy |
You can call him a pink coloured door , doesn't mean he is . |
You can call him a socialist doesn't mean he is. [Post edited 4 Oct 2021 14:34]
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