| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than 12:24 - Dec 28 with 3395 views | 73__73 |
Living in England at the moment ? |  |
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| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 12:33 - Dec 28 with 1413 views | Scotia |
They don't.
Just a bit more miserable and some people poorer. | | | |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 13:57 - Dec 28 with 1383 views | 73__73 |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 12:33 - Dec 28 by Scotia |
They don't.
Just a bit more miserable and some people poorer. |
Drakeford playing politics with peoples jobs and lives | |
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| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 13:58 - Dec 28 with 1383 views | Whiterockin |
They probably make you marginally safer. But at what financial cost to businesses and individuals who may never recoup the losses and that is without the mental health issues. IMO Drakeford has bottled it because he wants to prove a point at any cost. Some say Boris is dithering, could be he has seen the trend from South Africa and feels the risk is worthwhile. Only time will tell who is right. |  | | |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 14:06 - Dec 28 with 1358 views | 73__73 |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 13:58 - Dec 28 by Whiterockin |
They probably make you marginally safer. But at what financial cost to businesses and individuals who may never recoup the losses and that is without the mental health issues. IMO Drakeford has bottled it because he wants to prove a point at any cost. Some say Boris is dithering, could be he has seen the trend from South Africa and feels the risk is worthwhile. Only time will tell who is right. |
Time is irrelevant, because the evidence is already there. Drakeford is in the wrong | |
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| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 14:24 - Dec 28 with 1342 views | Whiterockin |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 14:06 - Dec 28 by 73__73 |
Time is irrelevant, because the evidence is already there. Drakeford is in the wrong |
Not true, if the rate in Wales does not emulate England over the next couple of weeks he will be correct. In the past (time is relevant) Wales had a higher rate than England with tighter restrictions, he was wrong. [Post edited 28 Dec 2021 14:25]
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| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 14:29 - Dec 28 with 1314 views | Professor |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 14:06 - Dec 28 by 73__73 |
Time is irrelevant, because the evidence is already there. Drakeford is in the wrong |
The only evidence is the increase in hospitalisation in London and NW England where Omicron first rose. We will only know by mid-January who was correct. Johnson’s decision is entirely political.
He may be proved right, but if wrong he should be in the dock. | | | |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 14:30 - Dec 28 with 1314 views | builthjack |
Unless Offas Dyke is redone, 30 foot high with barbed wire, then its impossible to predict. All the local hotels to me are full of English over Xmas. They may have brought it in. They may not have. Who knows.
Better to be safe than sorry so old Drake's could well be right. At least be has balls. Unlike Doris. |  |
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| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 14:30 - Dec 28 with 1321 views | 73__73 |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 14:24 - Dec 28 by Whiterockin |
Not true, if the rate in Wales does not emulate England over the next couple of weeks he will be correct. In the past (time is relevant) Wales had a higher rate than England with tighter restrictions, he was wrong. [Post edited 28 Dec 2021 14:25]
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I’m talking about the evidence from South Africa.
Also if anyone believes the infection rates will be much different between wales and England then they are probably living in cloud cuckoo land. | |
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| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 14:40 - Dec 28 with 1305 views | Whiterockin |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 14:29 - Dec 28 by Professor |
The only evidence is the increase in hospitalisation in London and NW England where Omicron first rose. We will only know by mid-January who was correct. Johnson’s decision is entirely political.
He may be proved right, but if wrong he should be in the dock. |
Prof there was a guy from the NHS on BBC Breakfast this morning saying that the hospital admissions stats are misleading. Because the majority of admissions are going in from accidents " he quoted falling off a bike as an example" without covid symptoms and only testing positive on arrival. He said the issue was staff shortages due to people being off with covid and isolating and admission stats should be taken in context. | | | |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 14:56 - Dec 28 with 1271 views | Professor |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 14:40 - Dec 28 by Whiterockin |
Prof there was a guy from the NHS on BBC Breakfast this morning saying that the hospital admissions stats are misleading. Because the majority of admissions are going in from accidents " he quoted falling off a bike as an example" without covid symptoms and only testing positive on arrival. He said the issue was staff shortages due to people being off with covid and isolating and admission stats should be taken in context. |
ICU admissions are up too. The worry is not so much severe illness though, it’s illness severe enough to stop working and cause hellish problems across all services. My brother-in-law has Omicron,
Mid-40s and healthy, but in no fit state to work. With the mild narrative, it’s been forgotten Omicron is about as virulent as the original Wuhan strain.
We are just fortunate to have a largely immune population stopping mortality. So far most cases
Are younger. Mixing over the holidays and inter generational spread may yet bite us on the bum.
It’s also a case of what is acceptable. Some seem to see 300 deaths at day as fine. Anyone saying this is either a huge a problem or is not a problem are being naive one way or another.
Johnson has gone with the most optimistic projection. Lets hope it is at that end for people’s
Health and the economy | | | |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 15:01 - Dec 28 with 1259 views | Whiterockin |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 14:56 - Dec 28 by Professor |
ICU admissions are up too. The worry is not so much severe illness though, it’s illness severe enough to stop working and cause hellish problems across all services. My brother-in-law has Omicron,
Mid-40s and healthy, but in no fit state to work. With the mild narrative, it’s been forgotten Omicron is about as virulent as the original Wuhan strain.
We are just fortunate to have a largely immune population stopping mortality. So far most cases
Are younger. Mixing over the holidays and inter generational spread may yet bite us on the bum.
It’s also a case of what is acceptable. Some seem to see 300 deaths at day as fine. Anyone saying this is either a huge a problem or is not a problem are being naive one way or another.
Johnson has gone with the most optimistic projection. Lets hope it is at that end for people’s
Health and the economy |
Thanks for the reply. | | | |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 15:14 - Dec 28 with 1228 views | builthjack |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 14:56 - Dec 28 by Professor |
ICU admissions are up too. The worry is not so much severe illness though, it’s illness severe enough to stop working and cause hellish problems across all services. My brother-in-law has Omicron,
Mid-40s and healthy, but in no fit state to work. With the mild narrative, it’s been forgotten Omicron is about as virulent as the original Wuhan strain.
We are just fortunate to have a largely immune population stopping mortality. So far most cases
Are younger. Mixing over the holidays and inter generational spread may yet bite us on the bum.
It’s also a case of what is acceptable. Some seem to see 300 deaths at day as fine. Anyone saying this is either a huge a problem or is not a problem are being naive one way or another.
Johnson has gone with the most optimistic projection. Lets hope it is at that end for people’s
Health and the economy |
143 deaths in England alone yesterday.
But still people don't care. Wrong in the head some people. | |
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| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 15:14 - Dec 28 with 1231 views | 73__73 |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 14:29 - Dec 28 by Professor |
The only evidence is the increase in hospitalisation in London and NW England where Omicron first rose. We will only know by mid-January who was correct. Johnson’s decision is entirely political.
He may be proved right, but if wrong he should be in the dock. |
So if he’s correct, does that mean we should put sage members in the dock.
As for increase of hospitalisation, isn’t it normal for hospitalisation to rise at this time of year. | |
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| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 15:26 - Dec 28 with 1221 views | Thrasher6 |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 15:14 - Dec 28 by builthjack |
143 deaths in England alone yesterday.
But still people don't care. Wrong in the head some people. |
About 11,000 deaths every week in England and Wales pre covid. 1,500 odd a day. The majority were influenza and pneumonia... [Post edited 28 Dec 2021 15:29]
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| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 15:28 - Dec 28 with 1214 views | 73__73 |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 15:26 - Dec 28 by Thrasher6 |
About 11,000 deaths every week in England and Wales pre covid. 1,500 odd a day. The majority were influenza and pneumonia... [Post edited 28 Dec 2021 15:29]
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It’s actually around 1,500 a day, not a week. | |
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| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 15:29 - Dec 28 with 1207 views | 73__73 |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 15:14 - Dec 28 by builthjack |
143 deaths in England alone yesterday.
But still people don't care. Wrong in the head some people. |
Didn’t we get deaths pre covid then ? | |
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| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 15:29 - Dec 28 with 1204 views | controversial_jack |
Depends if ppl stick to them. Knowing the selfish, arrogant, uneducated ppl we have here then probably not. | | | |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 15:32 - Dec 28 with 1196 views | 73__73 |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 15:29 - Dec 28 by controversial_jack |
Depends if ppl stick to them. Knowing the selfish, arrogant, uneducated ppl we have here then probably not. |
What a load of nonsense | |
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| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 16:14 - Dec 28 with 1142 views | LittleEnglandJack |
Would be prepared to put good money on them making no discernible difference at all. I think we'll look back in a few months and wonder whether crippling hospitality again at their busiest time of year has achieved any noticeable public health benefit vs England, and I'm pretty sure the answer will be no.
Said it before but if Omicron is really as contagious as everyone keeps saying then these restrictions will have very negligible effects on transmission, and are therefore simply political posturing. In fact, even a lockdown might struggle to contain it as adherence would be way down on previous occasions.
I have no doubt however that should our case rate end up lower than England's in a few weeks (as it should be, btw) then Mr Drakeford will be claiming it was his now rebranded 'protections' that were the cause, even if it is highly unlikely to be the case. | | | |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 16:17 - Dec 28 with 1138 views | Catullus |
I repsect the Profs opinion, obviously he knows a lot more about the science of it than me. Saying that though, I got vaccinated and boosted so I could carry on with my life. The evidence coming out is that Omicron is not as serious as Delta, in fact one expert has already described it as not much worse than a common cold,
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news
We don't lock down in Flu season. I get vaccinated for that too. I think we are at that point (or past it) where we have to be allowed to get on with life. The negative effects of lockdowns now, to myself anyway, are worse than the effect of Omicron.
Our biggest problem is the state of the NHS after decades of bad government. That goes back long before Bojo, it also includes the Senedd and what they have done to NHS Wales.
We spend billions on Nuclear weapons we don't need (we just need NATO and the USA's nukes) and we waste many millions on a lot more politicians and local government bods than we need. There's money there to support our NHS and schools. Having capable schools and a capable NHS would be much better for us than paying for nukes we'll never use (and if we did who'd be around to fret over it?) and for so many politicians who only seem to make things worse the more we allow to exist. | |
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| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 16:23 - Dec 28 with 1125 views | Glossolalia |
Makes me poorer with no chance of recompense, along with thousands of others. Safety is very difficult to discern and quantify, but I believe that if COVID rules weren't devolved, we'd be thankful for a largely restriction-free festive period.
As it stands, I've become more pragmatic and have decided to control what I can control - more walks, more reading and podcasts, and a more time for myself. Every cloud and all that. |  | | |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 16:27 - Dec 28 with 1113 views | controversial_jack |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 16:17 - Dec 28 by Catullus |
I repsect the Profs opinion, obviously he knows a lot more about the science of it than me. Saying that though, I got vaccinated and boosted so I could carry on with my life. The evidence coming out is that Omicron is not as serious as Delta, in fact one expert has already described it as not much worse than a common cold,
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news
We don't lock down in Flu season. I get vaccinated for that too. I think we are at that point (or past it) where we have to be allowed to get on with life. The negative effects of lockdowns now, to myself anyway, are worse than the effect of Omicron.
Our biggest problem is the state of the NHS after decades of bad government. That goes back long before Bojo, it also includes the Senedd and what they have done to NHS Wales.
We spend billions on Nuclear weapons we don't need (we just need NATO and the USA's nukes) and we waste many millions on a lot more politicians and local government bods than we need. There's money there to support our NHS and schools. Having capable schools and a capable NHS would be much better for us than paying for nukes we'll never use (and if we did who'd be around to fret over it?) and for so many politicians who only seem to make things worse the more we allow to exist. |
What do we do then, just open up and ignore it and hope the vaccines will work for ever and that it will go away? Wishful thinking rarely works out in reality.
If we don't do something now then summer will be ruined again. Forget about travel abroad, what country is going to let ppl from a covid ravaged country into theirs.
Swallow the medicine now instead of dithering and faffing about as we have done for the past year. That's no answer! | | | |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 16:39 - Dec 28 with 1093 views | Professor |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 16:17 - Dec 28 by Catullus |
I repsect the Profs opinion, obviously he knows a lot more about the science of it than me. Saying that though, I got vaccinated and boosted so I could carry on with my life. The evidence coming out is that Omicron is not as serious as Delta, in fact one expert has already described it as not much worse than a common cold,
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news
We don't lock down in Flu season. I get vaccinated for that too. I think we are at that point (or past it) where we have to be allowed to get on with life. The negative effects of lockdowns now, to myself anyway, are worse than the effect of Omicron.
Our biggest problem is the state of the NHS after decades of bad government. That goes back long before Bojo, it also includes the Senedd and what they have done to NHS Wales.
We spend billions on Nuclear weapons we don't need (we just need NATO and the USA's nukes) and we waste many millions on a lot more politicians and local government bods than we need. There's money there to support our NHS and schools. Having capable schools and a capable NHS would be much better for us than paying for nukes we'll never use (and if we did who'd be around to fret over it?) and for so many politicians who only seem to make things worse the more we allow to exist. |
It is less virulent than Delta Cat. If you are boosted then Omicron is extremely unlikely to cause severe illness unless you have a substantial underlying condition. Unfortunately not everyone has immunity at this level and there are still those at high risk. The problem is so many people being unwell that NHS, transport and supply chains are severely disrupted. Then all illnesses become a greater problem. All about numbers. 200,000 cases a day is still realistic | | | |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 16:39 - Dec 28 with 1096 views | Dr_Winston |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 14:40 - Dec 28 by Whiterockin |
Prof there was a guy from the NHS on BBC Breakfast this morning saying that the hospital admissions stats are misleading. Because the majority of admissions are going in from accidents " he quoted falling off a bike as an example" without covid symptoms and only testing positive on arrival. He said the issue was staff shortages due to people being off with covid and isolating and admission stats should be taken in context. |
We're going to have to take a long, hard look at this isolation thing next year. CDC already recommending halving the ten day isolation to five for asymptomatic cases. |  |
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| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 16:40 - Dec 28 with 1094 views | Catullus |
| Who honestly believes that the extra restrictions in Wales makes you safer than on 16:27 - Dec 28 by controversial_jack |
What do we do then, just open up and ignore it and hope the vaccines will work for ever and that it will go away? Wishful thinking rarely works out in reality.
If we don't do something now then summer will be ruined again. Forget about travel abroad, what country is going to let ppl from a covid ravaged country into theirs.
Swallow the medicine now instead of dithering and faffing about as we have done for the past year. That's no answer! |
Again, that's what the vaccines were for, so life could go on. The vaccines should work depending on variants but viruses don't often mutate for the worse, they can but most often they become less deadly.
Other countries are far more ravaged by Omicron than us. A couple of weeks back Omicron was in 57 countries, those with low vaccination rates are doing worse than us, a large chunk of Europe is worse of than us.
The point really is that it is never going away so we have to live with it. There will be boosters every year, maybe twice a year and if we stay locked up forever then life will become pointless. At some point the majority will have had enough of lockdowns and extra rules. The people most vulnerable need to make their own risk assessments and look after their own good selves, as will I and everyone else. | |
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