| 19 Points 19:46 - Apr 9 with 1012 views | STID2017 |
19 points from the last 27.
That is promotion form.
Shame it is so late in the season |  |
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| 19 Points on 19:58 - Apr 9 with 951 views | KeithHaynes |
We needed to prove what is possible as a club and then show it for next season. |  |
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| 19 Points on 20:11 - Apr 9 with 931 views | swan65split |
it is, but he only took over 6 days b4 the start of the season, and I would rather, if it happened, we go up prepared, its a different league and can be harsh if your un prepared. |  | | |
| 19 Points on 21:57 - Apr 9 with 854 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 19 Points on 19:58 - Apr 9 by KeithHaynes |
We needed to prove what is possible as a club and then show it for next season. |
But that only works if you have the same top players next season.
Lose Piroe, Oba, Paterson and Ncham and we are back to square 1. |  | | |
| 19 Points on 22:07 - Apr 9 with 834 views | max936 |
| 19 Points on 21:57 - Apr 9 by A_Fans_Dad |
But that only works if you have the same top players next season.
Lose Piroe, Oba, Paterson and Ncham and we are back to square 1. |
Up to the club to recognise their value and offer them a contract accordingly. |  |
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| 19 Points on 22:09 - Apr 9 with 823 views | KeithHaynes |
| 19 Points on 21:57 - Apr 9 by A_Fans_Dad |
But that only works if you have the same top players next season.
Lose Piroe, Oba, Paterson and Ncham and we are back to square 1. |
Cant see that happening, plus I have enough trust in Martin from what I’ve seen this season for there to be a back up. If Piroe went I could see that bagging the club 8-10 million.
All I will say is remember the Leicester city piece we did five months ago, that’s never going away., | |
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| 19 Points on 23:03 - Apr 9 with 763 views | magicdaps10 |
| 19 Points on 21:57 - Apr 9 by A_Fans_Dad |
But that only works if you have the same top players next season.
Lose Piroe, Oba, Paterson and Ncham and we are back to square 1. |
Bit like when you lose a manager and half a team...such as Woodman, Guehi, Roberts, Ayew AND could even throw in Lowe and Hourihane.
All that above would knock any team back even further than square 1, would knock you back into the box.
Makes you realise and understand the more than decent job that is being done by people at the club this season. |  |
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| 19 Points on 23:09 - Apr 9 with 754 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 19 Points on 23:03 - Apr 9 by magicdaps10 |
Bit like when you lose a manager and half a team...such as Woodman, Guehi, Roberts, Ayew AND could even throw in Lowe and Hourihane.
All that above would knock any team back even further than square 1, would knock you back into the box.
Makes you realise and understand the more than decent job that is being done by people at the club this season. |
Not when you then spend £5m on bringing in replacements including high quality loans from Liverpool, Man City and Man Utd with Premier League and Champions League experience.
Piroe and Obafemi combined are a multi million pound strike partnership. Ntcham, Downes and Pato are very high level players indeed.
This team should have been firing long before now. |  |
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| 19 Points on 23:30 - Apr 9 with 745 views | magicdaps10 |
| 19 Points on 23:09 - Apr 9 by Dr_Parnassus |
Not when you then spend £5m on bringing in replacements including high quality loans from Liverpool, Man City and Man Utd with Premier League and Champions League experience.
Piroe and Obafemi combined are a multi million pound strike partnership. Ntcham, Downes and Pato are very high level players indeed.
This team should have been firing long before now. |
It's not as easy as that, trying to bed in half a team and a new style isn't going to just click in within a few months.....its not football manager or moneyball basketball style! | |
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| 19 Points on 23:32 - Apr 9 with 739 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 19 Points on 23:30 - Apr 9 by magicdaps10 |
It's not as easy as that, trying to bed in half a team and a new style isn't going to just click in within a few months.....its not football manager or moneyball basketball style! |
Bedding in half a team and a new style is what most managers do when they take over.
Cooper had to bed in half a team and change from Potters style for example. That’s the nature of football management.
It helps if you bring a decent style that works to the table first though. If it takes you 30 odd games to realise what was obvious after 3 then it will take an awful lot longer. | |
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| 19 Points on 08:51 - Apr 10 with 648 views | Dr_Winston |
A club in our position will always have to strike a balance between maintaining a competitive team and the simple financial reality that your better players will be the subject of bids that have to be considered. Not to mention the extreme likelihood that if say, Newcastle came in with a £15m offer for Piroe then he's going to want to go whether we want to accept the bid or not.
Identification of suitable replacement players is an intrinsic part of club building. Brentford did it for years before getting to the Prem. Sell one player a season for big cash, use the rest to invest in the squad. It is what it is and always will be. |  |
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| 19 Points on 09:12 - Apr 10 with 634 views | magicdaps10 |
| 19 Points on 23:09 - Apr 9 by Dr_Parnassus |
Not when you then spend £5m on bringing in replacements including high quality loans from Liverpool, Man City and Man Utd with Premier League and Champions League experience.
Piroe and Obafemi combined are a multi million pound strike partnership. Ntcham, Downes and Pato are very high level players indeed.
This team should have been firing long before now. |
Goes to show how well we have done on 5m after we lost appx 40-50m worth of talent from the previous season.
Woodman
Roberts
Guehi
Lowe
Ayew
Hourihane
That's a lot of talent to replace for just 5m. I feel a bit of a cheat using Hourihane and talent together, saying that, the lad obviously has talent but it's clearer now that he just didn't fit the style last season for us. | |
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| 19 Points on 09:15 - Apr 10 with 630 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 19 Points on 09:12 - Apr 10 by magicdaps10 |
Goes to show how well we have done on 5m after we lost appx 40-50m worth of talent from the previous season.
Woodman
Roberts
Guehi
Lowe
Ayew
Hourihane
That's a lot of talent to replace for just 5m. I feel a bit of a cheat using Hourihane and talent together, saying that, the lad obviously has talent but it's clearer now that he just didn't fit the style last season for us. |
It wasn’t our talent. When we signed them (I assume you are referring to Gallagher and Guehi) they were youth players. Similar to Williams from Liverpool.
It was Cooper nurturing them into our side which turned them into those players. People were wanting Guehi sent back exactly the same as Williams.
Ayew is not worth anything really. I certainly wouldn’t swap what we lost for what we gained. Not would anyone else with half a brain. | |
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| 19 Points on 10:37 - Apr 10 with 590 views | magicdaps10 |
| 19 Points on 09:15 - Apr 10 by Dr_Parnassus |
It wasn’t our talent. When we signed them (I assume you are referring to Gallagher and Guehi) they were youth players. Similar to Williams from Liverpool.
It was Cooper nurturing them into our side which turned them into those players. People were wanting Guehi sent back exactly the same as Williams.
Ayew is not worth anything really. I certainly wouldn’t swap what we lost for what we gained. Not would anyone else with half a brain. |
As it was Martin who nurtured Obafemi, Piroe, Downes, Patterson and Ntcham over time to the players they are now with us.
There were question marks over Downes, Obafemi and Piroe until they were sorted out.
To have a debate about this then you have to realistic and one thing that lacks with you is the consistency. | |
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| 19 Points on 10:45 - Apr 10 with 582 views | STID2017 |
| 19 Points on 09:15 - Apr 10 by Dr_Parnassus |
It wasn’t our talent. When we signed them (I assume you are referring to Gallagher and Guehi) they were youth players. Similar to Williams from Liverpool.
It was Cooper nurturing them into our side which turned them into those players. People were wanting Guehi sent back exactly the same as Williams.
Ayew is not worth anything really. I certainly wouldn’t swap what we lost for what we gained. Not would anyone else with half a brain. |
"Ayew is not worth anything really"
What a ridiculous statement.
He was our top scorer last season, plus his workmate not only in creating goals but in defence made him invaluable.
Without him your idol Cooper would have been never have seen mid table let alone the play offs | |
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| 19 Points on 10:46 - Apr 10 with 579 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 19 Points on 10:37 - Apr 10 by magicdaps10 |
As it was Martin who nurtured Obafemi, Piroe, Downes, Patterson and Ntcham over time to the players they are now with us.
There were question marks over Downes, Obafemi and Piroe until they were sorted out.
To have a debate about this then you have to realistic and one thing that lacks with you is the consistency. |
Certainly, he’s done well to bring them on.
But I’d still prefer them than last seasons team. Without any shadow of a doubt, that view is as consistent and realistic as they come. | |
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| 19 Points on 10:49 - Apr 10 with 574 views | STID2017 |
| 19 Points on 10:37 - Apr 10 by magicdaps10 |
As it was Martin who nurtured Obafemi, Piroe, Downes, Patterson and Ntcham over time to the players they are now with us.
There were question marks over Downes, Obafemi and Piroe until they were sorted out.
To have a debate about this then you have to realistic and one thing that lacks with you is the consistency. |
Great Post.
Martin has got these players and more playing to his style, and he has been determined to insist on that style.
Yet those who derided him when it was deemed not to be working won't give him the credit when it is working. | |
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| 19 Points on 10:52 - Apr 10 with 570 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 19 Points on 10:49 - Apr 10 by STID2017 |
Great Post.
Martin has got these players and more playing to his style, and he has been determined to insist on that style.
Yet those who derided him when it was deemed not to be working won't give him the credit when it is working. |
It’s not the same style, it would be ludicrous to suggest it is.
Those who criticised that early style and implored him to make the changes we are seeing today are absolutely spot on.
Those that wanted patience with the 80% possession 800 pass game are still waiting for it to work, they have waited so long it’s been ditched. | |
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| 19 Points on 11:01 - Apr 10 with 562 views | STID2017 |
| 19 Points on 10:52 - Apr 10 by Dr_Parnassus |
It’s not the same style, it would be ludicrous to suggest it is.
Those who criticised that early style and implored him to make the changes we are seeing today are absolutely spot on.
Those that wanted patience with the 80% possession 800 pass game are still waiting for it to work, they have waited so long it’s been ditched. |
Sorry so yesterday we didn't pass it around endlessly our own half or have two yard tipi tapi passes between players or pass back when forward passes would have been better ?
Same as Tuesday.
Excuse me then my eyes were lying to me ( and everyone else who saw the game )
Maybe we should all stay home and not bother to watch the game, just read the stats after.
Do you realise how ridiculous you sound ? | |
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| 19 Points on 11:04 - Apr 10 with 552 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 19 Points on 11:01 - Apr 10 by STID2017 |
Sorry so yesterday we didn't pass it around endlessly our own half or have two yard tipi tapi passes between players or pass back when forward passes would have been better ?
Same as Tuesday.
Excuse me then my eyes were lying to me ( and everyone else who saw the game )
Maybe we should all stay home and not bother to watch the game, just read the stats after.
Do you realise how ridiculous you sound ? |
So we didn’t make 500 odd passes? Didn’t have double figures long ball %? And didn’t have 55% possession?
If you are suggesting the above is wrong then I’d say it’s likely your eyes are lying to you.
Are you disputing these? | |
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| 19 Points on 11:15 - Apr 10 with 535 views | STID2017 |
| 19 Points on 11:04 - Apr 10 by Dr_Parnassus |
So we didn’t make 500 odd passes? Didn’t have double figures long ball %? And didn’t have 55% possession?
If you are suggesting the above is wrong then I’d say it’s likely your eyes are lying to you.
Are you disputing these? |
Doesn't matter what the stats tell you.
You cannot pretend that because certain stats are lower, certain aspects of our play has gone away.
Your stats don't tell you that if a shite ref yesterday had ruled differently it could have been a rout by us or otherwise a three penalty win for them ?
There are lots that stats don't tell you .
Surely you accept that ? | |
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| 19 Points on 11:24 - Apr 10 with 514 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 19 Points on 11:15 - Apr 10 by STID2017 |
Doesn't matter what the stats tell you.
You cannot pretend that because certain stats are lower, certain aspects of our play has gone away.
Your stats don't tell you that if a shite ref yesterday had ruled differently it could have been a rout by us or otherwise a three penalty win for them ?
There are lots that stats don't tell you .
Surely you accept that ? |
Like what?
If we make double the % of long passes yet 250 less overall passes, that obviously says we are making less passes and more long balls. If we have 20% less possession consistently it means we have less focus on possession.
You make it sound like I’ve missed half a season, I’ve only been away a week. The change has been obvious both with my eyes and backed by the stats. | |
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