| More madness 13:06 - May 7 with 2890 views | Boundy |
Can 3 year old children be racist , well according to the fools in cardiff they can be .
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news |  |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
| |  |
| More madness on 13:16 - May 7 with 2198 views | Whiterockin |
If such action is "met with resistance", childcare workers can draw up a "disciplinary route", with various next steps illustrated in a flowchart.
Would this need to be bilingual. |  | | |
| More madness on 13:28 - May 7 with 2176 views | onehunglow |
Get the kids early
It’s the way ! | |
| |
| More madness on 15:57 - May 7 with 2094 views | Gwyn737 |
Here's the actual guidance (no surprise that none of the papers that picked up the story provided a link).
https://darpl.org/wp-content/u
Feel free to point out where it says three year olds can be racist and the police should be called. | | | |
| More madness on 16:44 - May 7 with 2050 views | Boundy |
| More madness on 15:57 - May 7 by Gwyn737 |
Here's the actual guidance (no surprise that none of the papers that picked up the story provided a link).
https://darpl.org/wp-content/u
Feel free to point out where it says three year olds can be racist and the police should be called. |
Case study 1 | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
| |
| More madness on 17:46 - May 7 with 2013 views | paulmatthews |
What absolute idiot thought this up.They will be giving 3yr olds sex education lessons next.Stop the world I want to get off!! | | | |
| More madness on 17:50 - May 7 with 2009 views | AnotherJohn |
| More madness on 15:57 - May 7 by Gwyn737 |
Here's the actual guidance (no surprise that none of the papers that picked up the story provided a link).
https://darpl.org/wp-content/u
Feel free to point out where it says three year olds can be racist and the police should be called. |
I have to say that the early section on “ what is culture? “was a massive turn-off as far as I am concerned. Rather than paraphrasing a traditional definition of culture as a corpus of shared norms, values and ways of seeing, the DARPL tool-kit invites Welsh people to see their “privilege” and their understanding of other cultures as central elements of their own culture. It tells Welsh people that they should be aware that cultures are “subject to flux and change”. Of course, that is not what progressives used to say when faraway indigenous cultures were eroded by Western incomers, but apparently our own culture is different. Yuk! I don’t think many anthropologists at the time I did my UG degree would concur with that definition, although I guess similar views are gaining ground among some present-day American academics influenced by CRT.
“Culture management” linked to leadership has been a topical but highly problematic concept when applied in domains like NHS management, and this seems to be what the authors of the Wales 2030 Action plan have in mind for child care. As in other fields, language, rhetoric and struggles over definitions will be central. As has been the experience in other domains, childcare service providers are likely to find that existing organisational cultures are highly resistant to change.
The tool-kit document states that “racism in the main isn't only about the obvious incidents but about the culture and ethos in a setting”, so we are talking about use of language that carries unwelcome connotations, uncomfortable social interactions, or what CRT disciples like to call micro-aggressions, which in my view won’t usually amount to motivated behaviour when very young children are involved. The document says that such events should be recorded, that anti-racist principles should be incorporated into the curriculum and setting development plan, and that staff who err need to be reminded that practice in this area will be subject to scrutiny by Care Inspectorate Wales. The mention of the section 16 requirement of the SSWWA 2014 hints at a controversial interpretation of this provision as being about the promotion of “social value” rather than supporting third sector organisations as such. Staff should attend annual DARPL training.
Having been investigated and recorded racist incidents are to be followed up with action as outlined in a flow chart (p. 23). One key decision is whether a “hate crime” has been committed and if staff believe it has, they should contact the police either via a 999 call in serious cases or 101 for advice when there is less urgency. If the incident falls short of a hate crime there must be recording, discussion within the team and appropriate learning for the perpetrator. If positive action is met with resistance, the staff should form and record a disciplinary plan and consider referring a family to appropriate external services.
I’m sorry, but all this sounds a bit too much like Big Brother for my liking. It reminds me of the WG’s plan for training courses for anti-racist library collections, which is part of the same Wales Anti Racist Action Plan. Personally, I am hoping that most of the Senedd members responsible for this twaddle find their lives taking a different direction when the result of today’s election is known. [Post edited 7 May 18:39]
| | | |
| More madness on 18:04 - May 7 with 1995 views | Gwyn737 |
| More madness on 17:50 - May 7 by AnotherJohn |
I have to say that the early section on “ what is culture? “was a massive turn-off as far as I am concerned. Rather than paraphrasing a traditional definition of culture as a corpus of shared norms, values and ways of seeing, the DARPL tool-kit invites Welsh people to see their “privilege” and their understanding of other cultures as central elements of their own culture. It tells Welsh people that they should be aware that cultures are “subject to flux and change”. Of course, that is not what progressives used to say when faraway indigenous cultures were eroded by Western incomers, but apparently our own culture is different. Yuk! I don’t think many anthropologists at the time I did my UG degree would concur with that definition, although I guess similar views are gaining ground among some present-day American academics influenced by CRT.
“Culture management” linked to leadership has been a topical but highly problematic concept when applied in domains like NHS management, and this seems to be what the authors of the Wales 2030 Action plan have in mind for child care. As in other fields, language, rhetoric and struggles over definitions will be central. As has been the experience in other domains, childcare service providers are likely to find that existing organisational cultures are highly resistant to change.
The tool-kit document states that “racism in the main isn't only about the obvious incidents but about the culture and ethos in a setting”, so we are talking about use of language that carries unwelcome connotations, uncomfortable social interactions, or what CRT disciples like to call micro-aggressions, which in my view won’t usually amount to motivated behaviour when very young children are involved. The document says that such events should be recorded, that anti-racist principles should be incorporated into the curriculum and setting development plan, and that staff who err need to be reminded that practice in this area will be subject to scrutiny by Care Inspectorate Wales. The mention of the section 16 requirement of the SSWWA 2014 hints at a controversial interpretation of this provision as being about the promotion of “social value” rather than supporting third sector organisations as such. Staff should attend annual DARPL training.
Having been investigated and recorded racist incidents are to be followed up with action as outlined in a flow chart (p. 23). One key decision is whether a “hate crime” has been committed and if staff believe it has, they should contact the police either via a 999 call in serious cases or 101 for advice when there is less urgency. If the incident falls short of a hate crime there must be recording, discussion within the team and appropriate learning for the perpetrator. If positive action is met with resistance, the staff should form and record a disciplinary plan and consider referring a family to appropriate external services.
I’m sorry, but all this sounds a bit too much like Big Brother for my liking. It reminds me of the WG’s plan for training courses for anti-racist library collections, which is part of the same Wales Anti Racist Action Plan. Personally, I am hoping that most of the Senedd members responsible for this twaddle find their lives taking a different direction when the result of today’s election is known. [Post edited 7 May 18:39]
|
It’s guidance.
Some of it is useful. Some not. FWIW I think it’s very poorly written.
You make good points but I see nothing of toddlers being arrested for hate crimes.
I’d say there have been a number of cases recently that would have seen settings call 999 for hate crimes, not least what’s going on at Jewish schools and daycare. | | | |
| More madness on 18:05 - May 7 with 1994 views | Gwyn737 |
| More madness on 16:44 - May 7 by Boundy |
Case study 1 |
Which part? | | | |
Login to get fewer ads
| More madness on 18:45 - May 7 with 1940 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| More madness on 18:05 - May 7 by Gwyn737 |
Which part? |
The guidance includes 'early years' which I recall means up to 5. |  |
| |
| More madness on 18:51 - May 7 with 1919 views | onehunglow |
The very fact we are even having this conversation is damning | |
| |
| More madness on 18:59 - May 7 with 1908 views | Gwyn737 |
| More madness on 18:45 - May 7 by JACKMANANDBOY |
The guidance includes 'early years' which I recall means up to 5. |
Which part suggests toddlers can be arrested for hate crimes? | | | |
| More madness on 19:00 - May 7 with 1907 views | Gwyn737 |
| More madness on 18:59 - May 7 by Gwyn737 |
Which part suggests toddlers can be arrested for hate crimes? |
It is.
But that’s the result of rage bait. | | | |
| More madness on 19:05 - May 7 with 1901 views | Gwyn737 |
I’d add that the document has been around since 2024.
How many toddlers have been arrested. | | | |
| More madness on 19:07 - May 7 with 1898 views | Boundy |
| More madness on 18:59 - May 7 by Gwyn737 |
Which part suggests toddlers can be arrested for hate crimes? |
No one has said that a toddler can be arrested by can be accused of being a rascist. | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
| |
| More madness on 19:12 - May 7 with 1890 views | Gwyn737 |
| More madness on 19:07 - May 7 by Boundy |
No one has said that a toddler can be arrested by can be accused of being a rascist. |
You said it was in case study 1 🤷🏻 | | | |
| More madness on 19:39 - May 7 with 1858 views | Boundy |
| More madness on 19:12 - May 7 by Gwyn737 |
You said it was in case study 1 🤷🏻 |
Case study stated racism , I never said anything about being arrested which if course would be ridiculous which sometimes I can be accused of but not in this case , apologies if you thought thats what I meant. | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
| |
| More madness on 19:40 - May 7 with 1858 views | onehunglow |
| More madness on 19:05 - May 7 by Gwyn737 |
I’d add that the document has been around since 2024.
How many toddlers have been arrested. |
But why is this even a discussion | |
| |
| More madness on 19:48 - May 7 with 1845 views | Gwyn737 |
| More madness on 19:40 - May 7 by onehunglow |
But why is this even a discussion |
Because the telegraph, the mail, the express and GB news wrote sensationalist headline with no context to make people cross. | | | |
| More madness on 19:53 - May 7 with 1842 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| More madness on 19:48 - May 7 by Gwyn737 |
Because the telegraph, the mail, the express and GB news wrote sensationalist headline with no context to make people cross. |
Actually the article says issues relating to children are to be dealt with internally rather than referred to to the Police.
In my day teachers were trusted to ensure that children played nicely and to in volve the parents if necessary, teachers did not need pages of guidance to do so.
It's just nonsense. | |
| |
| More madness on 20:04 - May 7 with 1834 views | Gwyn737 |
| More madness on 19:53 - May 7 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Actually the article says issues relating to children are to be dealt with internally rather than referred to to the Police.
In my day teachers were trusted to ensure that children played nicely and to in volve the parents if necessary, teachers did not need pages of guidance to do so.
It's just nonsense. |
If the police, social services and health services had listened to the school, it’s possible Axel Rudakubana would have been taken off the streets.
Schools play a vital role in safeguarding. This isn’t new. Schools have had dedicated safeguarding leads for over 20 years. | | | |
| More madness on 20:10 - May 7 with 1830 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| More madness on 20:04 - May 7 by Gwyn737 |
If the police, social services and health services had listened to the school, it’s possible Axel Rudakubana would have been taken off the streets.
Schools play a vital role in safeguarding. This isn’t new. Schools have had dedicated safeguarding leads for over 20 years. |
Yes, I worked on a number of projects in social care, the role of teachers was always underestimated. I remember saying many times I can't think of anyone better to spot a risk than someone who spends time with a child every day.
I can't think of a better place to base early help practitioners. | |
| |
| More madness on 20:50 - May 7 with 1779 views | max936 |
The kids don't say racist comments because they think of those racist words, they repeat what they hear elsewhere. |  | | |
| More madness on 21:00 - May 7 with 1770 views | Gwyn737 |
| More madness on 20:50 - May 7 by max936 |
The kids don't say racist comments because they think of those racist words, they repeat what they hear elsewhere. |
Yep.
And if it’s not tackled through education they’ll grow up into those adults they’ve heard it from.
That’s why a lot of that document talks about the importance of resourcingsettings in a thoughtful way.
It’s not hard, choose a variety of books, make sure toys are representative etc. | | | |
| More madness on 21:39 - May 7 with 1744 views | KeithHaynes |
| More madness on 17:46 - May 7 by paulmatthews |
What absolute idiot thought this up.They will be giving 3yr olds sex education lessons next.Stop the world I want to get off!! |
Not before they are primed to consider changing their sex. |  |
| |
| More madness on 08:35 - May 8 with 1610 views | AnotherJohn |
| More madness on 18:04 - May 7 by Gwyn737 |
It’s guidance.
Some of it is useful. Some not. FWIW I think it’s very poorly written.
You make good points but I see nothing of toddlers being arrested for hate crimes.
I’d say there have been a number of cases recently that would have seen settings call 999 for hate crimes, not least what’s going on at Jewish schools and daycare. |
"It's guidance". This makes it seem that guidance is discretional, but in a modern state there is a range of guidance, some of it binding and likely to be considered in judicial review cases if it is not followed. In much of public law, primary legislation is translated into action via official guidance and then into operational guidelines within affected organisations. It seems to me that in the tool-kit case, which applies to organisations of various kinds, the status of the guidance isn't entirely clear, but the authors suggest that it will be considered in CIW inspections and that there may be some statutory basis in section 16 of the Social Services and Wellbeing (Wales) Act, 2014. There is no equivalent of section 16 in England.
https://www.lukeclements.co.uk
So I think the tool-kit is intended to be a bit more than advice that organisations can take or leave. [Post edited 8 May 9:59]
| | | |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.