| Barton banned for 18 months on 18:42 - Apr 26 with 1840 views | VancouverHoop |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 18:19 - Apr 26 by Northernr |
I don't think he is.
Betting isn't illegal in this country. Betting companies want to sponsor football so they do. Supporters want to bet on football so they do.
The footballers aren't allowed to bet on the football for glaringly obvious reasons. The rules on it are absolutely crystal clear. Ignoring them and then saying "yeh but there's a Ladbrokes sign at the side of the pitch" as if that somehow negates the rules is ridiculous.
It is, as usual, him making excuses and deflecting. |
Of course it is, no question.
But that still doesn't make his point wrong. Look at at the corporate logos on team shirts. The number of gambling companies goes up exponentially year by year. Sure betting is legal in Britain, and yes many supporters like to have a flutter. But many of these companies, perhaps most, are based outside the UK which places them, to considerable degree, outside British law never mind league controls. They have growing power in the game and the temptation to exert that is likely to become hard to resist. |  | |  |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 18:46 - Apr 26 with 1835 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
The start and finish is that betting on football is banned if you are in the game, it's not something new and he knew fully well.
Nothing from stopping him betting on anything else, there are no grounds to appeal at all. |  |
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| Barton banned for 18 months on 19:45 - Apr 26 with 1755 views | GroveR |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 18:42 - Apr 26 by VancouverHoop |
Of course it is, no question.
But that still doesn't make his point wrong. Look at at the corporate logos on team shirts. The number of gambling companies goes up exponentially year by year. Sure betting is legal in Britain, and yes many supporters like to have a flutter. But many of these companies, perhaps most, are based outside the UK which places them, to considerable degree, outside British law never mind league controls. They have growing power in the game and the temptation to exert that is likely to become hard to resist. |
But in typical Joey style, he's popping off at the wrong targets.
"I think if the FA is truly serious about tackling the culture of gambling in football, it needs to look at its own dependence on the gambling companies, their role in football and in sports broadcasting, rather than just blaming the players who place a bet."
If he'd gone after Sky there, he'd be have a point but sky didn't charge him, the FA did and I'm struggling to see where the FA (for all their faults) are dependent on gambling companies.
http://www.thefa.com/about-football-association/partners |  | | |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 19:51 - Apr 26 with 1752 views | DeepcutHoop |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 18:19 - Apr 26 by Northernr |
I don't think he is.
Betting isn't illegal in this country. Betting companies want to sponsor football so they do. Supporters want to bet on football so they do.
The footballers aren't allowed to bet on the football for glaringly obvious reasons. The rules on it are absolutely crystal clear. Ignoring them and then saying "yeh but there's a Ladbrokes sign at the side of the pitch" as if that somehow negates the rules is ridiculous.
It is, as usual, him making excuses and deflecting. |
Yep, saying that he accepts he's in the wrong, but at the same time pointing fingers in all directions for 'context'.
As he does every single time he messes up. | | | |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 20:18 - Apr 26 with 1710 views | VancouverHoop |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 19:45 - Apr 26 by GroveR |
But in typical Joey style, he's popping off at the wrong targets.
"I think if the FA is truly serious about tackling the culture of gambling in football, it needs to look at its own dependence on the gambling companies, their role in football and in sports broadcasting, rather than just blaming the players who place a bet."
If he'd gone after Sky there, he'd be have a point but sky didn't charge him, the FA did and I'm struggling to see where the FA (for all their faults) are dependent on gambling companies.
http://www.thefa.com/about-football-association/partners |
Gambling sponsorship is largely club based, and clubs are members of the FA. They could institute conditions regarding sponsors, but they don't. If they did it would most likely be as effective as their "fit and proper" rules for owners. Nevertheless it's within their power to do so. | | | |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 20:26 - Apr 26 with 1695 views | stevec |
So banned until October 2018. That's usually about the time we appoint a new manager. |  | | |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 20:34 - Apr 26 with 1680 views | Hunterhoop |
Barton, King of the Thunderc*nts. |  | | |
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| Barton banned for 18 months on 20:51 - Apr 26 with 1654 views | GroveR |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 20:18 - Apr 26 by VancouverHoop |
Gambling sponsorship is largely club based, and clubs are members of the FA. They could institute conditions regarding sponsors, but they don't. If they did it would most likely be as effective as their "fit and proper" rules for owners. Nevertheless it's within their power to do so. |
And what conditions would you consider appropriate?
"I say that knowing that every time I pull on my team’s shirt, I am advertising a betting company."
Burnley signed a two year multi million pound sponsorship deal with dafabet. If Joey felt that strongly about the ethical considerations of gambling maybe giving a percentage of his wages to Sporting Chance would have been a more constructive method than bleating about how hard done by he his for being controversial. | | | |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 20:52 - Apr 26 with 1653 views | daveB |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 18:42 - Apr 26 by VancouverHoop |
Of course it is, no question.
But that still doesn't make his point wrong. Look at at the corporate logos on team shirts. The number of gambling companies goes up exponentially year by year. Sure betting is legal in Britain, and yes many supporters like to have a flutter. But many of these companies, perhaps most, are based outside the UK which places them, to considerable degree, outside British law never mind league controls. They have growing power in the game and the temptation to exert that is likely to become hard to resist. |
Where do you stop, should Mcdpnalds or other fast food places stop sponsoring football as they are part of the countries obesity problem. What about alcohol or payday loan companies.
It's a pathetic excuse from old Joey and a blatant attempt to get people talking about that rather than what he has done, which it seems like has worked judging by journalists on twitter today |  | | |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 21:01 - Apr 26 with 1639 views | BeauRanger |
Did he ever bet one one of his corners actually beating the 1st man & making it as far as the penalty box? |  | | |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 21:50 - Apr 26 with 1597 views | VancouverHoop |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 20:52 - Apr 26 by daveB |
Where do you stop, should Mcdpnalds or other fast food places stop sponsoring football as they are part of the countries obesity problem. What about alcohol or payday loan companies.
It's a pathetic excuse from old Joey and a blatant attempt to get people talking about that rather than what he has done, which it seems like has worked judging by journalists on twitter today |
Burger outlets, or alcohol and payday loan companies don't have vested interests in the results of football matches. Betting companies do. That's an important difference. As the following article indicates
https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/english-soccer-has-a-gambling-problem
I agree, as I've said already said, that Barton is very likely using this as an excuse to deflect attention from his own behavior. But if it brings attention to this issue then something positive may come out of his weakness. | | | |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 06:07 - Apr 27 with 1488 views | PlanetHonneywood |
May I assume his defence was littered with references to being a victim in all of this or, that it was the fault of other people and that it was a conspiracy by Mankind to nail him because of his genius?
For only those like Jesus Christ, Gandhi and Mandela who have gone before him, could truly understand what it is to be persecuted for their beliefs.
Grubby little piece of work....destined to work at the BBC then! |  |
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| Barton banned for 18 months on 09:14 - Apr 27 with 1437 views | robith |
Been surprised by a fairly wide sentiment that the ban terms are harsh. He bet on games he was involved with, on his team to lose. If you did that in cricket, you would never play again.
He's also clearly not an addict - there are around 30+ horse races a day, plus any time I log into bet365 it's showing some weird footers from Indonesia or something. Looking at those bets, they are the clear stake and patterns of someone who thought he had the inside edge to game it |  | | |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 09:27 - Apr 27 with 1420 views | stuabd |
I hope there is some rule that if he appeals and is unsuccessful he gets an extended ban. A lifetime ban on media appearances would be even better. |  | | |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 10:20 - Apr 27 with 1385 views | DesertBoot |
£2 and £5 bets doesn't point to a gambling addiction either. Addicted gamblers chase their losses and their stakes get higher and higher - Matthew Etherington came clean about his addiction and said just that. |  |
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| Barton banned for 18 months on 10:47 - Apr 27 with 1375 views | PinnerPaul |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 18:06 - Apr 26 by daveB |
That misses the point though, players are banned from betting to avoid match fixing. The moral argument about whether you should take money from betting companies or not is irrelevant |
Yep, as I said above! | | | |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 10:50 - Apr 27 with 1373 views | PinnerPaul |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 18:42 - Apr 26 by VancouverHoop |
Of course it is, no question.
But that still doesn't make his point wrong. Look at at the corporate logos on team shirts. The number of gambling companies goes up exponentially year by year. Sure betting is legal in Britain, and yes many supporters like to have a flutter. But many of these companies, perhaps most, are based outside the UK which places them, to considerable degree, outside British law never mind league controls. They have growing power in the game and the temptation to exert that is likely to become hard to resist. |
They are not outside British Law in the sense they have to abide by advertising regulations in this country.
Are you/Barton seriously saying he only bet on Football League matches because the competition is sponsored by SkyBet?
Nonsense logic. | | | |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 10:51 - Apr 27 with 1372 views | Copenranger |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 20:26 - Apr 26 by stevec |
So banned until October 2018. That's usually about the time we appoint a new manager. |
Is that the beginnig of a "Who will be our new manager, when the next one is fired?" -speculation thread?
Well, it's important to keep one step ahead..
My money goes on Alan Irvine, who will probably be available following a difficult second season in The Championship and once played for Queen's Park in Scotland, which might confuse our board in to thinking, that they are bringing home another former hoop..
:) |  | | |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 10:59 - Apr 27 with 1366 views | PinnerPaul |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 21:50 - Apr 26 by VancouverHoop |
Burger outlets, or alcohol and payday loan companies don't have vested interests in the results of football matches. Betting companies do. That's an important difference. As the following article indicates
https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/english-soccer-has-a-gambling-problem
I agree, as I've said already said, that Barton is very likely using this as an excuse to deflect attention from his own behavior. But if it brings attention to this issue then something positive may come out of his weakness. |
Which is why they sponsor sport?
I don't get your point.
Wickes sponsor home shows on Channel 4 - wonder why that is?
All companies market their target audience - its not illegal or even morally wrong!
How can SkyBet "influence" outcome of EFL matches - they take 1,000s of bets on the competition everyday.
On each market favourite outcome will be losers, most other results will be break even at worse, most will deliver a profit - how any of that legal commercial activity justifies JB is lost on me. | | | |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 11:17 - Apr 27 with 1350 views | Phildo |
Its typical St Barton playbook and he has got very good at it.
1 Declare you are a victim of an addiction to mitigate your admitted and persistent breaking of very clear rules in your industry
2 Cloud the argument further by introducing a separate potentially meritorious argument - on the ethics of betting sponsorship in sport which actually has nothing to do with his own conduct but try to conflate the two
3 Claim that the severity of your latest punishment is because of your reputation and therefore objectively unfair. Ignore the reasons why your reputation is so bad and the fact that generally your character - as viewed from past conduct- is something disciplinary panels are allowed to and do take into account.
Shocked to see people like David Conn piling in in support for him |  | | |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 12:26 - Apr 27 with 1318 views | PinnerPaul |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 11:17 - Apr 27 by Phildo |
Its typical St Barton playbook and he has got very good at it.
1 Declare you are a victim of an addiction to mitigate your admitted and persistent breaking of very clear rules in your industry
2 Cloud the argument further by introducing a separate potentially meritorious argument - on the ethics of betting sponsorship in sport which actually has nothing to do with his own conduct but try to conflate the two
3 Claim that the severity of your latest punishment is because of your reputation and therefore objectively unfair. Ignore the reasons why your reputation is so bad and the fact that generally your character - as viewed from past conduct- is something disciplinary panels are allowed to and do take into account.
Shocked to see people like David Conn piling in in support for him |
and Linekar, who has jumped on the all betting is evil as are betting companies band wagon as well.
He says punishment was "harsh" - as I said above Jack Colback fined £25,000 for ONE bet on Champions League match. | | | |
| Barton banned for 18 months on 12:36 - Apr 27 with 1310 views | simmo |
Whilst it doesn't carry any weight as a reaction to the punishment for Barton, the completely SEPERATE issue of betting and it's affiliation with football does need to be addressed. It's creating a generation of kids that bet all through the week and getting some twát in marketing to call it a 'cheeky acca' doesn't mean it won't have a big effect on those susceptible to addiction.
Taking bets out of the mans world of a bookies and into a phone app makes it a big problem... |  |
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| Barton banned for 18 months on 13:25 - Apr 27 with 1273 views | terryb |
Does anybody know when Barton admitted to having a gambling addiction?
May it have been just after he was charged by the FA?
I can't recall this being something that was ever levelled at him in the past. He knew that what he was doing could result in a long suspension but chose to ignore the possibility.
As to the length of ban he received. It is only half of what the manager of Frome Town was given earlier this season. The Frome man was charged (from memory) with less than a hundred bets, but they did include bets on clubs that he was manager of. However, Barton also bet on matches of clubs he was a player for.
Perhaps the FA were lenient towards him? | | | |
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