| Caroline Flack 17:42 - Feb 15 with 9344 views | loftboy |
Found dead at home [Post edited 17 Feb 2020 13:40]
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| Caroline Flack on 12:39 - Feb 17 with 2184 views | daveB |
| Caroline Flack on 10:35 - Feb 17 by paulparker |
Those shows you mention dont have proper celebrities on them half the time they are made up of reality based “stars”
BGT, strictly, dancing on ice you have to have a sob story to win
You work for a station that produces ITVBe a station devoted to how you look, act, what wealth you have got, who you can show up or bully , people feel they have to that live (and yes it’s sad i know ) but that’s modern celebrity for you |
What is a proper celebrity anyway? I'm not here to say these shows are great but it's always been the same with weekend entertainment shows, people hated Noel Edmonds with people from the Bill ringing the doorbell, it was never A list stars.
ITVBE is again a channel that doesn't appeal to me but some people like these reality shows and nothing really wrong with that |  | | |
| Caroline Flack on 12:55 - Feb 17 with 2145 views | paulparker |
| Caroline Flack on 12:39 - Feb 17 by daveB |
What is a proper celebrity anyway? I'm not here to say these shows are great but it's always been the same with weekend entertainment shows, people hated Noel Edmonds with people from the Bill ringing the doorbell, it was never A list stars.
ITVBE is again a channel that doesn't appeal to me but some people like these reality shows and nothing really wrong with that |
A list stars have never fronted shows but people who have talent did
Brucie , Bob monkhouse, Les Dawson , Les Dennis , Jim Davidson , Barrymore , Jim Bowen etc love them or not had talent and earned their stripes working the circuits and clubs , they knew how to connect with people what jokes to tell , how to make something crap work ( you bet anyone? Or big break ?) what do we have now rylan Clarke, Ollie Murs ,and anyone who has been on I’m a celebrity
I get your stocking up for where you work, but it’s crap based reality shows the sort of shows that project vanity and bullying against the weak |  |
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| Caroline Flack on 13:22 - Feb 17 with 2084 views | daveB |
| Caroline Flack on 12:55 - Feb 17 by paulparker |
A list stars have never fronted shows but people who have talent did
Brucie , Bob monkhouse, Les Dawson , Les Dennis , Jim Davidson , Barrymore , Jim Bowen etc love them or not had talent and earned their stripes working the circuits and clubs , they knew how to connect with people what jokes to tell , how to make something crap work ( you bet anyone? Or big break ?) what do we have now rylan Clarke, Ollie Murs ,and anyone who has been on I’m a celebrity
I get your stocking up for where you work, but it’s crap based reality shows the sort of shows that project vanity and bullying against the weak |
I don't think things are hugely different now, you have the likes of Jason Manford, Jimmy Carr, Ant & Dec, Paddy Mcguinness etc who have worked their way up to do these kind of shows. Not really about sticking up for where i work a lot of these kind of shows are on other channels as well, I'd agree a lot of shows on ITV are shit but you have to have a wide range of shows these days to appeal across the board. Some people like these reality shows, some prefer dramas, some like quiz shows or live sport, not every show will appeal to everyone no matter what channel it is on. Even Netflix will have plenty of crap on it including reality shows but if they don't appeal just don't watch it. | | | |
| Caroline Flack on 13:41 - Feb 17 with 2034 views | loftboy |
| Caroline Flack on 09:01 - Feb 17 by silverbirch |
Hi Loftboy,
Please would you change the OP to something a little more respectful?
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Didn’t know the circumstances at time of posting so now done. | |
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| Caroline Flack on 15:31 - Feb 17 with 1939 views | silverbirch |
Thanks, Loftboy |  | | |
| Caroline Flack on 15:42 - Feb 17 with 1900 views | Jigsore |
can't wait for there to be literally no consequences for the disgusting British media driving a woman to suicide because they successfully deflected it onto social media and 'cancel culture'. They get away with literal murder, again, while our personal freedoms are cracked down on.
The Daily Mail literally had a photographer spying on her ex-fiance on the other side of the world yesterday upon hearing the news. It's absolutely maddening, we need Leveson 2 on steroids for these c*nts
RIP Caroline Flack |  |
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| Caroline Flack on 15:48 - Feb 17 with 1880 views | paulparker |
| Caroline Flack on 15:42 - Feb 17 by Jigsore |
can't wait for there to be literally no consequences for the disgusting British media driving a woman to suicide because they successfully deflected it onto social media and 'cancel culture'. They get away with literal murder, again, while our personal freedoms are cracked down on.
The Daily Mail literally had a photographer spying on her ex-fiance on the other side of the world yesterday upon hearing the news. It's absolutely maddening, we need Leveson 2 on steroids for these c*nts
RIP Caroline Flack |
Unfortunately it’s the game , these “celebs” need the likes of the daily mails showbiz page to keep them relevant | |
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| Caroline Flack on 16:09 - Feb 17 with 1849 views | Jigsore |
well PP I don't think it's good enough to just shrug our shoulders at this, again, but I guess as a country that's just what we do best. | |
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| Caroline Flack on 19:19 - Feb 17 with 1725 views | paulparker |
| Caroline Flack on 16:09 - Feb 17 by Jigsore |
well PP I don't think it's good enough to just shrug our shoulders at this, again, but I guess as a country that's just what we do best. |
Half the country couldn’t care less who is on Towie, love island ,xfactor etc but it won’t change because people who want to be celebs will continue to be fame hungry and will do anything to be relevant the press will continue to build them up and then knock them down
There’s not a lot we can do about it apart from stop watching these programmes and clicking on click bait sites | |
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That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Caroline Flack on 21:51 - Feb 17 with 1624 views | NorthantsHoop |
Regardless of her so called celebrity status. It must be heartbreaking for her parents to lose their daughter and come to terms with the desperation she must have felt to take her own life. |  | | |
| Caroline Flack on 22:29 - Feb 17 with 1559 views | Hunterhoop |
| Caroline Flack on 21:51 - Feb 17 by NorthantsHoop |
Regardless of her so called celebrity status. It must be heartbreaking for her parents to lose their daughter and come to terms with the desperation she must have felt to take her own life. |
Excellent post.
Whilst social media undoubtedly has a negative effect on people’s mental health, and reality tv feeds off social media and the cult of celebrity, Northants is spot on. Any suicide is extremely sad; someone’s daughter or son, someone’s mother or father, some’s friend decided they could not continue. It is extremely sad. |  | | |
| Caroline Flack on 13:16 - Feb 19 with 1301 views | A40Bosh |
| Caroline Flack on 22:29 - Feb 17 by Hunterhoop |
Excellent post.
Whilst social media undoubtedly has a negative effect on people’s mental health, and reality tv feeds off social media and the cult of celebrity, Northants is spot on. Any suicide is extremely sad; someone’s daughter or son, someone’s mother or father, some’s friend decided they could not continue. It is extremely sad. |
So it appears she hanged herself and there is always something more violent and "execution" like when someone takes their own life this way, rather than take an overdose and a bottle of booze and hope to slip away painlessly. Very sad.
Selfishly, what also worries me is that the more young woman and men in the public domain take their own lives the more vulnerable children and adults see this as permission to take their own life. I have a 21yr old daughter who has had severe mental health issues for over 7 years and again will freely admit that she is suicidal again and as difficult as it is we have to openly discuss this with her and not shy away from the subject or beat around the bush.
A couple of months ago when we were discussing the news that someone we knew in the US had taken his own life aged 55 and it happened only a few weeks after his first grandchild was born and his other daughter was about to get married, despite what the discussion we had as a family about him leaving family and friends devastated and to pick up the pieces of his death for years to come, all my eldest would respond was "but at least for him there is no pain now, he is no longer in pain".
For many of us we can rationalise and ask how someone can make that decision and how selfish they have been, but clearly for some, the pain that they go through minute by minute, day after day becomes unbearable and there is no other way to take away the pain but to end their life. There is no hope despite what they do to try and make things better. So I will never judge a person, young or old, rich or poor, famous or anonymous.
Like most of the story in this sad tale, very few will know many of the true facts and I hope that those involved in making the decision to prosecute Caroline can look themselves in the mirror and honestly say to themselves that the decision was based on the evidence and facts of the case presented to them and there is a regular precedence to prosecute this type of case regardless of whether the person being accused is a "celeb" or a person off the street.
There may well be loads of such cases that do go to trial, but we won't hear about them because the media have no interest so it is difficult for all involved when such a sad case comes to light.
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| Caroline Flack on 13:26 - Feb 19 with 1270 views | Snipper |
| Caroline Flack on 13:16 - Feb 19 by A40Bosh |
So it appears she hanged herself and there is always something more violent and "execution" like when someone takes their own life this way, rather than take an overdose and a bottle of booze and hope to slip away painlessly. Very sad.
Selfishly, what also worries me is that the more young woman and men in the public domain take their own lives the more vulnerable children and adults see this as permission to take their own life. I have a 21yr old daughter who has had severe mental health issues for over 7 years and again will freely admit that she is suicidal again and as difficult as it is we have to openly discuss this with her and not shy away from the subject or beat around the bush.
A couple of months ago when we were discussing the news that someone we knew in the US had taken his own life aged 55 and it happened only a few weeks after his first grandchild was born and his other daughter was about to get married, despite what the discussion we had as a family about him leaving family and friends devastated and to pick up the pieces of his death for years to come, all my eldest would respond was "but at least for him there is no pain now, he is no longer in pain".
For many of us we can rationalise and ask how someone can make that decision and how selfish they have been, but clearly for some, the pain that they go through minute by minute, day after day becomes unbearable and there is no other way to take away the pain but to end their life. There is no hope despite what they do to try and make things better. So I will never judge a person, young or old, rich or poor, famous or anonymous.
Like most of the story in this sad tale, very few will know many of the true facts and I hope that those involved in making the decision to prosecute Caroline can look themselves in the mirror and honestly say to themselves that the decision was based on the evidence and facts of the case presented to them and there is a regular precedence to prosecute this type of case regardless of whether the person being accused is a "celeb" or a person off the street.
There may well be loads of such cases that do go to trial, but we won't hear about them because the media have no interest so it is difficult for all involved when such a sad case comes to light.
RIP. |
Wow, that is a powerful post A40Bosh. One of the best posts I’ve read.
I wish your daughter and your whole family all the best. |  | | |
| Caroline Flack on 13:56 - Feb 19 with 1189 views | The_Beast1976 |
| Caroline Flack on 13:16 - Feb 19 by A40Bosh |
So it appears she hanged herself and there is always something more violent and "execution" like when someone takes their own life this way, rather than take an overdose and a bottle of booze and hope to slip away painlessly. Very sad.
Selfishly, what also worries me is that the more young woman and men in the public domain take their own lives the more vulnerable children and adults see this as permission to take their own life. I have a 21yr old daughter who has had severe mental health issues for over 7 years and again will freely admit that she is suicidal again and as difficult as it is we have to openly discuss this with her and not shy away from the subject or beat around the bush.
A couple of months ago when we were discussing the news that someone we knew in the US had taken his own life aged 55 and it happened only a few weeks after his first grandchild was born and his other daughter was about to get married, despite what the discussion we had as a family about him leaving family and friends devastated and to pick up the pieces of his death for years to come, all my eldest would respond was "but at least for him there is no pain now, he is no longer in pain".
For many of us we can rationalise and ask how someone can make that decision and how selfish they have been, but clearly for some, the pain that they go through minute by minute, day after day becomes unbearable and there is no other way to take away the pain but to end their life. There is no hope despite what they do to try and make things better. So I will never judge a person, young or old, rich or poor, famous or anonymous.
Like most of the story in this sad tale, very few will know many of the true facts and I hope that those involved in making the decision to prosecute Caroline can look themselves in the mirror and honestly say to themselves that the decision was based on the evidence and facts of the case presented to them and there is a regular precedence to prosecute this type of case regardless of whether the person being accused is a "celeb" or a person off the street.
There may well be loads of such cases that do go to trial, but we won't hear about them because the media have no interest so it is difficult for all involved when such a sad case comes to light.
RIP. |
For me this post raises a number of interesting points.
"the more vulnerable children and adults see this as permission to take their own life" - Why should anyone need permission to take their own life? We are not brought into this world by choice. Life is forced upon us all without us being asked whether or not we'd like to be here. We are not given a choice about being here, therefore we should be given a choice about when, how and why we want to leave. That should be our choice, nobody else's, and should not require permission
"all my eldest would respond was "but at least for him there is no pain now, he is no longer in pain" - I absolutely agree with what your son said. It is undoubtedly correct.
"For many of us we can rationalise and ask how someone can make that decision and how selfish they have been" - why is it selfish? I just don't see how anyone can say that somebody getting out of a life they never asked to be in in the first place is selfish. What is selfish is the choice of the people bringing you into this world in the first place (i.e. your parents) with little or no thought whatsoever for the fact that ultimately you may not even want to be here.
Whilst there are undoubtedly some good things in life, for many the good things (and some people don't actually have any good things at all in their life) may still not enough to tip the balance the other way enough to outweigh all the bad things encountered in life. For many, life is not the gift others profess it to be; for many life is actually a burden.
"So I will never judge a person, young or old, rich or poor, famous or anonymous" - I think that is the attitude everybody should have. Nobody has the right to judge anybody else for taking their own life.
Finally, just to be clear that this is not a dig at A40Bosh. His/her post is a good one. It just raised a few issues I wanted to comment upon. I am also very sorry to hear about your daughter's problems. I hope she somehow manages to resolve them some day.
RIP Ms Flack. May you now be free and at peace wherever you are [Post edited 19 Feb 2020 17:12]
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| Caroline Flack on 13:58 - Feb 19 with 1184 views | MrSheen |
| Caroline Flack on 13:16 - Feb 19 by A40Bosh |
So it appears she hanged herself and there is always something more violent and "execution" like when someone takes their own life this way, rather than take an overdose and a bottle of booze and hope to slip away painlessly. Very sad.
Selfishly, what also worries me is that the more young woman and men in the public domain take their own lives the more vulnerable children and adults see this as permission to take their own life. I have a 21yr old daughter who has had severe mental health issues for over 7 years and again will freely admit that she is suicidal again and as difficult as it is we have to openly discuss this with her and not shy away from the subject or beat around the bush.
A couple of months ago when we were discussing the news that someone we knew in the US had taken his own life aged 55 and it happened only a few weeks after his first grandchild was born and his other daughter was about to get married, despite what the discussion we had as a family about him leaving family and friends devastated and to pick up the pieces of his death for years to come, all my eldest would respond was "but at least for him there is no pain now, he is no longer in pain".
For many of us we can rationalise and ask how someone can make that decision and how selfish they have been, but clearly for some, the pain that they go through minute by minute, day after day becomes unbearable and there is no other way to take away the pain but to end their life. There is no hope despite what they do to try and make things better. So I will never judge a person, young or old, rich or poor, famous or anonymous.
Like most of the story in this sad tale, very few will know many of the true facts and I hope that those involved in making the decision to prosecute Caroline can look themselves in the mirror and honestly say to themselves that the decision was based on the evidence and facts of the case presented to them and there is a regular precedence to prosecute this type of case regardless of whether the person being accused is a "celeb" or a person off the street.
There may well be loads of such cases that do go to trial, but we won't hear about them because the media have no interest so it is difficult for all involved when such a sad case comes to light.
RIP. |
I’m really sorry to read that Bosh. As it happens, I’m on the way to Ireland to mark the 25th anniversary of my Dad killing himself. In his case, a strong cheerful man had a sudden mental collapse that led him into ranting paranoia, drinking poison and death within 48 hours. We all know it was a mental aberration and dreadful misadventure. As a result I’ve always been deeply hostile to the idea that A or B was “driven to suicide” by X or Y (though I know it does happen) when expressed by people who don’t know anything about what happened. My mother was plagued by people who helpfully volunteered their theories and who often took her lack of appreciation for a sign she must have something to hide. |  | | |
| Caroline Flack on 14:25 - Feb 19 with 1114 views | Esox_Lucius |
As someone else posted in an unrelated case on my FB timeline last week; People don't commit suicide to end their lives, they do it to end their pain. There are a lot of people in the limelight, not just reality stars, but footballers, musicians etc. who are subjected to horrendous abuse on various social media and that old trope of "well, they should just stay off it then" doesn't wash. If the sub humans who post this vile invective see that their target has deleted their account, they have won and will move on to the next one. What is really needed is the owners of the SM vehicles to tighten their T's & C's so that these people can be stopped from doing it and modern laws need to be introduced to include sanctions against people who do it. |  |
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| Caroline Flack on 16:40 - Feb 19 with 980 views | PunteR |
| Caroline Flack on 13:56 - Feb 19 by The_Beast1976 |
For me this post raises a number of interesting points.
"the more vulnerable children and adults see this as permission to take their own life" - Why should anyone need permission to take their own life? We are not brought into this world by choice. Life is forced upon us all without us being asked whether or not we'd like to be here. We are not given a choice about being here, therefore we should be given a choice about when, how and why we want to leave. That should be our choice, nobody else's, and should not require permission
"all my eldest would respond was "but at least for him there is no pain now, he is no longer in pain" - I absolutely agree with what your son said. It is undoubtedly correct.
"For many of us we can rationalise and ask how someone can make that decision and how selfish they have been" - why is it selfish? I just don't see how anyone can say that somebody getting out of a life they never asked to be in in the first place is selfish. What is selfish is the choice of the people bringing you into this world in the first place (i.e. your parents) with little or no thought whatsoever for the fact that ultimately you may not even want to be here.
Whilst there are undoubtedly some good things in life, for many the good things (and some people don't actually have any good things at all in their life) may still not enough to tip the balance the other way enough to outweigh all the bad things encountered in life. For many, life is not the gift others profess it to be; for many life is actually a burden.
"So I will never judge a person, young or old, rich or poor, famous or anonymous" - I think that is the attitude everybody should have. Nobody has the right to judge anybody else for taking their own life.
Finally, just to be clear that this is not a dig at A40Bosh. His/her post is a good one. It just raised a few issues I wanted to comment upon. I am also very sorry to hear about your daughter's problems. I hope she somehow manages to resolve them some day.
RIP Ms Flack. May you now be free and at peace wherever you are [Post edited 19 Feb 2020 17:12]
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| Caroline Flack on 16:50 - Feb 19 with 949 views | GalacticR |
I have been a lurker on the site for a long time and this is my first post. Sorry if it is a deep one.
Mental Health can strike anyone at any time. I myself have been off work since Christmas with depression and it was only a few weeks ago, that I was thinking of whether using a rope or drowning was a better option, thankfully I immediately spoke to my wife and am getting support, but whether famous or not, the richest person or the poorest mental health will not differentiate.
Thoughts to Caroline Flack and to anyone else suffering from this illness. | | | |
| Caroline Flack on 16:51 - Feb 19 with 946 views | The_Beast1976 |
| Caroline Flack on 16:40 - Feb 19 by PunteR |
What a strange way of looking at life. Nice to see you appreciate what your mum and dad did for you. |
Why is it strange? Because it doesn't align with your views? I know I am certainly not alone in my views.
Why should I be appreciative of something which my parents did with little, if any, regard for me?
Anyway, it is what it is now. I just wanted to note that nobody asked to be here and therefore if anybody finds they don't want to be here and wants out of it all (provided that is truly what they want) then that should be their choice alone and they should not be deemed to be selfish or otherwise judged for it by anybody else [Post edited 19 Feb 2020 17:17]
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| Caroline Flack on 16:53 - Feb 19 with 932 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Caroline Flack on 16:50 - Feb 19 by GalacticR |
I have been a lurker on the site for a long time and this is my first post. Sorry if it is a deep one.
Mental Health can strike anyone at any time. I myself have been off work since Christmas with depression and it was only a few weeks ago, that I was thinking of whether using a rope or drowning was a better option, thankfully I immediately spoke to my wife and am getting support, but whether famous or not, the richest person or the poorest mental health will not differentiate.
Thoughts to Caroline Flack and to anyone else suffering from this illness. |
Speak up any time you like on here with your stuff, most on here are not as bad as they seem ... mostly anyhow.
We have commies and all sorts... [Post edited 19 Feb 2020 16:55]
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| Caroline Flack on 17:04 - Feb 19 with 901 views | The_Beast1976 |
| Caroline Flack on 16:50 - Feb 19 by GalacticR |
I have been a lurker on the site for a long time and this is my first post. Sorry if it is a deep one.
Mental Health can strike anyone at any time. I myself have been off work since Christmas with depression and it was only a few weeks ago, that I was thinking of whether using a rope or drowning was a better option, thankfully I immediately spoke to my wife and am getting support, but whether famous or not, the richest person or the poorest mental health will not differentiate.
Thoughts to Caroline Flack and to anyone else suffering from this illness. |
Have you tried CBT? Hope you feel better at some point soon. | | | |
| Caroline Flack on 17:07 - Feb 19 with 887 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Caroline Flack on 17:04 - Feb 19 by The_Beast1976 |
Have you tried CBT? Hope you feel better at some point soon. |
I don't think he wants to learn how to ride a scooter
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| Caroline Flack on 17:13 - Feb 19 with 875 views | The_Beast1976 |
| Caroline Flack on 17:07 - Feb 19 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
I don't think he wants to learn how to ride a scooter
Oh the other CBT |
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| Caroline Flack on 18:09 - Feb 19 with 797 views | PunteR |
| Caroline Flack on 16:51 - Feb 19 by The_Beast1976 |
Why is it strange? Because it doesn't align with your views? I know I am certainly not alone in my views.
Why should I be appreciative of something which my parents did with little, if any, regard for me?
Anyway, it is what it is now. I just wanted to note that nobody asked to be here and therefore if anybody finds they don't want to be here and wants out of it all (provided that is truly what they want) then that should be their choice alone and they should not be deemed to be selfish or otherwise judged for it by anybody else [Post edited 19 Feb 2020 17:17]
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No it it doesnt align.
You sound like a 12 year old saying i didnt ask to be born. Sorry but as a dad of 3 happy kids i dont agree with your bleak outlook on life.
What makes you think your life is yours to take? [Post edited 19 Feb 2020 18:15]
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