| Contracts Extended on 01:30 - Feb 20 with 1409 views | Gloucs_R |
Can't win can we? Ever.
Sign a player for 3 years, if they have a phenomenal 12 months then you could sell them for a decent profit. But if they only come good in the second year then the transfer fee we can dictate for them wouldn't be that great as they only have 12 months remaining.
Sign a player for 4 years and people would moan if they weren't very good that we can't get rid of them. |  |
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| Contracts Extended on 07:56 - Feb 20 with 1288 views | qprd |
| Contracts Extended on 01:30 - Feb 20 by Gloucs_R |
Can't win can we? Ever.
Sign a player for 3 years, if they have a phenomenal 12 months then you could sell them for a decent profit. But if they only come good in the second year then the transfer fee we can dictate for them wouldn't be that great as they only have 12 months remaining.
Sign a player for 4 years and people would moan if they weren't very good that we can't get rid of them. |
It is mostly a myth that length of contract remaining affects transfer values.
Length remaining on contract is irrelevant for purposes of transfer fee if the player is going to sign a new contract with the new club, as bright will likely do when he moves on.
The benefit of a longer contract for the new club is that they get to lock down a player under a fixed wage by assuming the terms of the prior contract. However, in most transfers, the player just ends up tearing up the old contract and signing a new one (see nakhi Wells, who tore up his Burnley contract which was assigned to Bristol city and reentered a new one w new terms). Therefore it’s irrelevant whether that player has 1 year or 10 years left on his contract.
As a separate point, it’s arguably irrational for a club to ever exercise an option until the last possible moment. If ryan Manning or BOS, god forbid, suffer a career ending injury between now and seasons end, we’ve guaranteed their wages for another year. We gain nothing from exercising our option earlier than we need to. However, it’s more complex than that bc clubs have to manage PR, sell season tickets, etc
Ultimately this isn’t really a big deal
Edit: I will caveat the above to state one, of a few situations, where length of contract affects transfer value: if you’re at the last window you can sell a player before his contract expires (eg if we’re having this conversation abt BOSnext January window) and there is only one bidder for the player, then the selling club will likely get a lower transfer fee bc the acquiring club knows they can just wait until the summer and get the player on a free, therefore affecting the selling clubs bargaining power.The player also has an incentive to block any such transfers bc they will get a higher wage as a free agent in the open market [Post edited 20 Feb 2020 8:06]
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| Contracts Extended on 08:04 - Feb 20 with 1277 views | DejR_vu |
| Contracts Extended on 17:03 - Feb 19 by RBlock |
Nothing to do with playing us for fools. If one or both are sold, it's to mitigate losses and stay within FFP. We know Fernandes would love to go and splurge again and "put a top six side around them", if it wasn't for FFP.
Willfully ignorant. |
“We know Fernandes would love to go and splurge again”
Do we? Can’t see any evidence of that anywhere. | |
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| Contracts Extended on 08:05 - Feb 20 with 1276 views | PunteR |
| Contracts Extended on 00:25 - Feb 20 by smegma |
No it's phucking moaning. It's what a lot our fans, who have never run a car boot sale yet claim they know how a football club should be run, always do.How dare the club not get them to sign 20 year contracts eh ?? |
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| Contracts Extended on 08:05 - Feb 20 with 1277 views | DejR_vu |
| Contracts Extended on 16:48 - Feb 19 by RBlock |
The last thing we heard from WLS and Dave Mc was that we were negotiating new contracts with both and expected them to sign on. As such, this seems a bit concerning, like talks have broken down and we've taken up our options instead. |
100%. Why else announce a non-event? | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 08:10 - Feb 20 with 1268 views | DejR_vu |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:25 - Feb 19 by Hastings_Hoops |
I’m usually positive in my posts, but this has really annoyed me.
1) the club has rolled this tur6 un glitter and announced this like its a great success. It’s not, it’s a climb down to their last contractual resort.
2) the club was already reported to be operating within FFP headroom and then improved on this by sensibly letting Leistner, Scowen and Wells go.
3) the club therefore had about £50k additional headroom to operate with and extend BOS and Manning contracts properly to generate millions of additional sales value.
Because they have not implemented (3) they run the risk of being under pressure this summer to sell and certainly under significant pressure in Jan 2021 to sell! On this basis, because they have not implemented (3) as they should been able to because of (2), they could stand to have cost themselves millions!
Incompetent beyond belief! [Post edited 19 Feb 2020 18:41]
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Indeed, it’s time people started to wake up and smell the coffee rather than swallowing everything the club says whole.
This economy drive isn’t about complying with FFP / P&S, that’s a smokescreen. | |
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| Contracts Extended on 08:14 - Feb 20 with 1263 views | Northernr |
| Contracts Extended on 01:30 - Feb 20 by Gloucs_R |
Can't win can we? Ever.
Sign a player for 3 years, if they have a phenomenal 12 months then you could sell them for a decent profit. But if they only come good in the second year then the transfer fee we can dictate for them wouldn't be that great as they only have 12 months remaining.
Sign a player for 4 years and people would moan if they weren't very good that we can't get rid of them. |
I would be interested to know why Todd Kane justified a four year contract when we literally don't give four years to anybody. |  | | |
| Contracts Extended on 08:14 - Feb 20 with 1261 views | daveB |
This is all why we have to finish the season well imo, players need something to buy into and finishing 16th every year is not a reason to stay long term for players like Bright and Maning, their agents will be telling them to hold off signing. Also think the McClaren year will cost us with these two, both were sidelined for a whole season last year when they should have been regulars and they will have in the back of their heads if we change managers they could be out in the cold again very quickly. |  | | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 08:15 - Feb 20 with 1259 views | DejR_vu |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:48 - Feb 19 by PinnerPaul |
It says that discussions are CONTINUING
Blimey - some of you would make great Daily Mail journalists.
Let me explain that - editor was quoted once as saying he wanted all the stories in that paper to either upset, annoy or frighten the reader! [Post edited 19 Feb 2020 18:48]
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Well they’re hardly going to come out and say “talks have broken down so we’ve exercised the options so we can try and sell them for a few quid this summer”, are they? Just because someone says something doesn’t make it true. How much of what TF has said over the years has turned out to be true? | |
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| Contracts Extended on 08:22 - Feb 20 with 1244 views | Lblock |
| Contracts Extended on 01:00 - Feb 20 by rsonist |
"Breaking the bank" and "affordable" are relative to what is allowed under FFP. You can waffle about "ambition" and "progressive" and what the board is willing and "actually want" to do, all of it is defined by FFP. If they break FFP and we don't go up immediately the club is fcked. Yet somehow though it's seen as incompetent if they don't punt the club's future on a lottery ticket.
I don't know how many more times and how many more sock puppets are needed to explain this.
Of course, you're welcome to enlighten us on what your own personal 100% realistic affordable recruitment masterplan might be exactly. |
You're ignoring what he's saying though.
We all KNOW about FFP... blimey even a mouth breathing wailing pencil dick like myself understand the restrictions the club is under...... but so are all the other clubs.
Clubs such as PNE are lauded in one breath on here at being able to achieve more than us on far lower wage bills, but then when it's noted we should be doing as well as them you get the FFP tub thumped. What's it to be?
Of course I don't know the ins and out of the clubs balance sheet but I'd like to think we can compete with PNE, Millwall or even Bentford in terms of squad cost!!!
And don't start me on exempt FFP costs such as Warren Farm!!!! |  |
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| Contracts Extended on 08:22 - Feb 20 with 1244 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Contracts Extended on 08:14 - Feb 20 by Northernr |
I would be interested to know why Todd Kane justified a four year contract when we literally don't give four years to anybody. |
That is a strange one. |  |
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| Contracts Extended on 08:24 - Feb 20 with 1236 views | DejR_vu |
| Contracts Extended on 19:51 - Feb 19 by Maggsinho |
From Dave Mc on Twitter
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Fine, but why announce it as good news? | |
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| Contracts Extended on 08:32 - Feb 20 with 1222 views | DejR_vu |
| Contracts Extended on 21:22 - Feb 19 by BrianMcCarthy |
Dave Mc has just said that they are negotiating longer-term contracts. |
Serious question. Everyone seems to take what Dave Mc says as gospel. Why? Whenever i’ve read any of his stuff it’s either subjective stuff like this that anyone could say, or it’s about stuff that’s already been confirmed by the club or other journalists. It looks like he might have had the inside line once but hasn’t any more but’is still living off it? Or am I being unfair? | |
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| Contracts Extended on 08:35 - Feb 20 with 1223 views | RBlock |
| Contracts Extended on 00:25 - Feb 20 by smegma |
No it's phucking moaning. It's what a lot our fans, who have never run a car boot sale yet claim they know how a football club should be run, always do.How dare the club not get them to sign 20 year contracts eh ?? |
Think there's a middle point tbf Smeg. My initial reaction was that it's a bit concerning as it may have indicated talks weren't progressing as fast as we'd hoped, given we've been at the negotiations for nearly 3 months now. I think that's fair. I don't think we're doomed, I don't think the board just want to aim for 16th every year as Steve has made up, I don't think this is necessarily a poor reflection on them at all. |  | | |
| Contracts Extended on 08:53 - Feb 20 with 1195 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Contracts Extended on 08:32 - Feb 20 by DejR_vu |
Serious question. Everyone seems to take what Dave Mc says as gospel. Why? Whenever i’ve read any of his stuff it’s either subjective stuff like this that anyone could say, or it’s about stuff that’s already been confirmed by the club or other journalists. It looks like he might have had the inside line once but hasn’t any more but’is still living off it? Or am I being unfair? |
I find him to be very reliable, always have. And if he says they're negotiating longer-term deals then I'm happy with that. Hope they can come to an agreement. | |
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| Contracts Extended on 08:58 - Feb 20 with 1178 views | Northernr |
| Contracts Extended on 08:32 - Feb 20 by DejR_vu |
Serious question. Everyone seems to take what Dave Mc says as gospel. Why? Whenever i’ve read any of his stuff it’s either subjective stuff like this that anyone could say, or it’s about stuff that’s already been confirmed by the club or other journalists. It looks like he might have had the inside line once but hasn’t any more but’is still living off it? Or am I being unfair? |
Well I think that's unfair. Can't recall much, subjective or otherwise, he's said that hasn't turned out to be spot on. | | | |
| Contracts Extended on 08:59 - Feb 20 with 1176 views | Northernr |
| Contracts Extended on 08:53 - Feb 20 by BrianMcCarthy |
I find him to be very reliable, always have. And if he says they're negotiating longer-term deals then I'm happy with that. Hope they can come to an agreement. |
Thinking out loud, if we assume we're getting a wedge for Eze in the summer, does that mean we could then offer these two more and get them signed up? | | | |
| Contracts Extended on 09:06 - Feb 20 with 1159 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Contracts Extended on 08:32 - Feb 20 by DejR_vu |
Serious question. Everyone seems to take what Dave Mc says as gospel. Why? Whenever i’ve read any of his stuff it’s either subjective stuff like this that anyone could say, or it’s about stuff that’s already been confirmed by the club or other journalists. It looks like he might have had the inside line once but hasn’t any more but’is still living off it? Or am I being unfair? |
I think you are being unfair there. |  | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 09:10 - Feb 20 with 1157 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 08:10 - Feb 20 by DejR_vu |
Indeed, it’s time people started to wake up and smell the coffee rather than swallowing everything the club says whole.
This economy drive isn’t about complying with FFP / P&S, that’s a smokescreen. |
You seem to know more about the finances of QPR than any of them. | | | |
| Contracts Extended on 09:35 - Feb 20 with 1112 views | stevec |
| Contracts Extended on 08:59 - Feb 20 by Northernr |
Thinking out loud, if we assume we're getting a wedge for Eze in the summer, does that mean we could then offer these two more and get them signed up? |
Or use that wedge to improve the squad, nothing like a promotion campaign to increase the value of players or, for that matter, get BOS to sign on the dotted line during 20/21.
We’ve got to stop being so unambitious. [Post edited 20 Feb 2020 9:37]
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| Contracts Extended on 09:36 - Feb 20 with 1112 views | Rangersw12 |
| Contracts Extended on 08:22 - Feb 20 by Lblock |
You're ignoring what he's saying though.
We all KNOW about FFP... blimey even a mouth breathing wailing pencil dick like myself understand the restrictions the club is under...... but so are all the other clubs.
Clubs such as PNE are lauded in one breath on here at being able to achieve more than us on far lower wage bills, but then when it's noted we should be doing as well as them you get the FFP tub thumped. What's it to be?
Of course I don't know the ins and out of the clubs balance sheet but I'd like to think we can compete with PNE, Millwall or even Bentford in terms of squad cost!!!
And don't start me on exempt FFP costs such as Warren Farm!!!! |
Preston having been run like that for years but we've only been doing it for a couple of years at most
That's the difference and these things take time | | | |
| Contracts Extended on 09:38 - Feb 20 with 1102 views | terryb |
Could it be that the club only announced exercising the contract option because they were fed up with people on social media saying that both players were out of contract in the summer & will leave for free? | | | |
| Contracts Extended on 09:40 - Feb 20 with 1096 views | danehoop |
| Contracts Extended on 08:59 - Feb 20 by Northernr |
Thinking out loud, if we assume we're getting a wedge for Eze in the summer, does that mean we could then offer these two more and get them signed up? |
I think that is entirely what this is about. We know what they want and its probably reasonable given likely replacement costs. But we dont have FFP headroom at this point to the deal. This allows us the ability to keep players in place and, provided the relationship is reasonable between players, agents and the club, with the expectation deals will be concluded in the summer. |  |
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| Contracts Extended on 10:11 - Feb 20 with 1046 views | Northernr |
| Contracts Extended on 09:35 - Feb 20 by stevec |
Or use that wedge to improve the squad, nothing like a promotion campaign to increase the value of players or, for that matter, get BOS to sign on the dotted line during 20/21.
We’ve got to stop being so unambitious. [Post edited 20 Feb 2020 9:37]
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Keeping hold of two of your best three sellable assets until they're worth nothing and leave for free isn't ambitious, it's reckless and stupid. | | | |
| Contracts Extended on 10:12 - Feb 20 with 1043 views | Northernr |
| Contracts Extended on 09:38 - Feb 20 by terryb |
Could it be that the club only announced exercising the contract option because they were fed up with people on social media saying that both players were out of contract in the summer & will leave for free? |
Maybe. If people genuinely believed that though they're moronic. It's been said over and over and over again they had options. My fcking mum knows they've got options in their contract. | | | |
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