| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 12:44 - Jul 31 with 1280 views | 80s_Boy |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 12:34 - Jul 31 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Well yes, there is some evidence.
Because the equality trust is a responsible organisation, it takes criticism and counter evidence into consideration.
This makes its final conclusion, that crime and violence is less prevalent in more equal societies, more reliable.
I recommend the book The Spirit Level a good overview of what LazyFan said. The book has flaws but it’s data driven rather than anecdote on a football foreign driven. [Post edited 31 Jul 2021 12:38]
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So, are you saying that those who stole trainers and gadgets during the 2011 riots were more or less doing so because they were 'poor' rather than a sense of envy/greed?
Is that why bookshops were left alone? |  | |  |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 12:46 - Jul 31 with 1278 views | 80s_Boy |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 12:42 - Jul 31 by GloryHunter |
Nobody has answered my original question. What is the actual point of wearing something so obviously valuable when you're going about your normal business - outside of a gala dinner or royal wedding or something? I genuinely do not understand the mentality of it. It's like tourists walking around impoverished countries with expensive cameras hanging round their necks, and then wondering why they get robbed. |
Would I want to flash such wealth about? Absolutely not but if they have the money to afford such luxuries it is up to them.
The onus should be fully on the low life who rob. | | | |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 12:58 - Jul 31 with 1233 views | stowmarketrange |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 12:42 - Jul 31 by 80s_Boy |
^This^
I grew up on a poor council estate and the overwhelming vast majority of us had far more respect to rob people because they were financially better off than us. |
People who were poor lived and sometimes still live in places where they never bothered to lock their doors,and most of them didn’t resort to theft to get things they couldn’t afford.
It’s people’s attitudes that have changed,not the situations they live in. |  | | |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 13:03 - Jul 31 with 1214 views | distortR |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 12:58 - Jul 31 by stowmarketrange |
People who were poor lived and sometimes still live in places where they never bothered to lock their doors,and most of them didn’t resort to theft to get things they couldn’t afford.
It’s people’s attitudes that have changed,not the situations they live in. |
partially driven by consumerism and the constant bombardment of messages telling people that possessions equate to achievement?
FWIW, you are not what you own |  | | |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 13:05 - Jul 31 with 1207 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 12:42 - Jul 31 by GloryHunter |
Nobody has answered my original question. What is the actual point of wearing something so obviously valuable when you're going about your normal business - outside of a gala dinner or royal wedding or something? I genuinely do not understand the mentality of it. It's like tourists walking around impoverished countries with expensive cameras hanging round their necks, and then wondering why they get robbed. |
They're status symbols. A sign of wealth usually aimed at other wealthy people.
I don't get it either but it's just what people do. Everywhere.
The camera thing is slightly different probably that's just dumb. |  |
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| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 13:07 - Jul 31 with 1197 views | 80s_Boy |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 12:58 - Jul 31 by stowmarketrange |
People who were poor lived and sometimes still live in places where they never bothered to lock their doors,and most of them didn’t resort to theft to get things they couldn’t afford.
It’s people’s attitudes that have changed,not the situations they live in. |
Could go off on a huge tangent here, but I honestly think a significant problem is people insisting that poor people are victims rather than encouraging aspirations.
I didn't know anyone growing up who considered themselves a victim and most of us benefited from the encouragement to 'better ourselves' which came from parents and schooling.
If you keep telling people that they are victims for too long they'll naturally adopt a mentality which makes them always feel downtrodden and helpless.. It will also stifle any desire to better themselves too. | | | |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 13:08 - Jul 31 with 1192 views | TacticalR |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 11:00 - Jul 31 by 80s_Boy |
Sorry, are you suggesting that because there would be UBS/UBI there would be no/less envy of others and, as a consequence, no/less thieves or robberies?
Seriously???? [Post edited 31 Jul 2021 11:16]
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I presumed LazyFan meant that under UBI everyone would be given a £14k watch? Or did I misinterpret him? Presumably that would reduce watch envy?
On the other hand, our Prime Minister did recently say greed is good, so in order not to kill the golden goose perhaps a new Department of Greed would be in order?
It's a very fine balance. |  |
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| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 13:10 - Jul 31 with 1174 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I grew up in a Council house and everything we had was nicked. |  | | |
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| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 13:11 - Jul 31 with 1163 views | ozexile |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 12:46 - Jul 31 by 80s_Boy |
Would I want to flash such wealth about? Absolutely not but if they have the money to afford such luxuries it is up to them.
The onus should be fully on the low life who rob. |
Exactly maybe 14,000 to them is the equivalent of 200 for me. Who knows? | | | |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 13:12 - Jul 31 with 1165 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 12:44 - Jul 31 by 80s_Boy |
So, are you saying that those who stole trainers and gadgets during the 2011 riots were more or less doing so because they were 'poor' rather than a sense of envy/greed?
Is that why bookshops were left alone? |
Yeah sort of. | | | |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 13:15 - Jul 31 with 1145 views | 80s_Boy |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 13:12 - Jul 31 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Yeah sort of. |
We will never agree on this....
Have a great day and enjoy the match 👠| | | |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 13:16 - Jul 31 with 1141 views | stowmarketrange |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 13:08 - Jul 31 by TacticalR |
I presumed LazyFan meant that under UBI everyone would be given a £14k watch? Or did I misinterpret him? Presumably that would reduce watch envy?
On the other hand, our Prime Minister did recently say greed is good, so in order not to kill the golden goose perhaps a new Department of Greed would be in order?
It's a very fine balance. |
I don’t think it would because some people would want more than one £14k watch.It’s the way of the world unfortunately. [Post edited 31 Jul 2021 13:21]
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| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 13:22 - Jul 31 with 1127 views | kensalriser |
And as anyone familiar with the story of Oliver Twist knows, many people are coerced or groomed into crime. Criminals aren't all individual entrepreneurs or workers coops, they're often part of an exploitative heirarchy that mirrors nominally non-criminal society. [Post edited 31 Jul 2021 14:44]
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| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 13:24 - Jul 31 with 1112 views | stowmarketrange |
Nice to scroll down the page and see an advert for used luxury watches for sale. | | | |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 13:40 - Jul 31 with 1078 views | superstan |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 12:42 - Jul 31 by GloryHunter |
Nobody has answered my original question. What is the actual point of wearing something so obviously valuable when you're going about your normal business - outside of a gala dinner or royal wedding or something? I genuinely do not understand the mentality of it. It's like tourists walking around impoverished countries with expensive cameras hanging round their necks, and then wondering why they get robbed. |
I wear a Rolex, it’s my choice worked hard all my life, do not flash it about and am wary in certain areas, people should be able to choose what they spend their money on without recriminations, mine cost 11k I’ve never smoked gave up drinking 20 odd years, do people who spend similar amounts over time on said vices get criticised for that? I am not particularly wealthy, grew up on a council estate and I know a Casio watch will do the same thing as a say 5k car does similar things to a 40k car, it’s down to personal choice and we are all different. | | | |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 13:50 - Jul 31 with 1034 views | gazza1 |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 13:40 - Jul 31 by superstan |
I wear a Rolex, it’s my choice worked hard all my life, do not flash it about and am wary in certain areas, people should be able to choose what they spend their money on without recriminations, mine cost 11k I’ve never smoked gave up drinking 20 odd years, do people who spend similar amounts over time on said vices get criticised for that? I am not particularly wealthy, grew up on a council estate and I know a Casio watch will do the same thing as a say 5k car does similar things to a 40k car, it’s down to personal choice and we are all different. |
Good chat.......in answer to the first question - the answer is 'because they can' and the second 'no it should not be asking to be robbed'. | | | |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 14:00 - Jul 31 with 1023 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 13:40 - Jul 31 by superstan |
I wear a Rolex, it’s my choice worked hard all my life, do not flash it about and am wary in certain areas, people should be able to choose what they spend their money on without recriminations, mine cost 11k I’ve never smoked gave up drinking 20 odd years, do people who spend similar amounts over time on said vices get criticised for that? I am not particularly wealthy, grew up on a council estate and I know a Casio watch will do the same thing as a say 5k car does similar things to a 40k car, it’s down to personal choice and we are all different. |
I have a gold Garrard clockwork watch. It was presented to my Grandad who I never really knew. He died when I was 1, before my memory. I used to wear it sometimes until the strap broke and I haven't got around to mending it yet. Not sure it still works now but probably fixable.
On the back it has his name and "The Permutit Company Ltd, 25 year and over club, 23rd July 1962."
I guess watches are seen as a symbol of working life achievement. | |
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| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 14:21 - Jul 31 with 987 views | LazyFan |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 11:00 - Jul 31 by 80s_Boy |
Sorry, are you suggesting that because there would be UBS/UBI there would be no/less envy of others and, as a consequence, no/less thieves or robberies?
Seriously???? [Post edited 31 Jul 2021 11:16]
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I actually suggested the opposite.
First I said yes to UBS and no to UBI and then I also said that people would still steal, but it would be easier to catch em as their would be less of them, but there would still be people like that to catch, just less of them. [Post edited 31 Jul 2021 14:35]
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| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 14:23 - Jul 31 with 985 views | LazyFan |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 12:20 - Jul 31 by stowmarketrange |
As much as I want a more equal society,there will always be lazy C@nts who prefer to steal other peoples stuff rather than work for it themselves.I don’t know how we can cure the evils of greed and envy. |
You are correct, but there would be fewer of them and we could catch em easier and possibly put a stop to it happening many more times than the zero times it should. | |
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| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 14:33 - Jul 31 with 959 views | LazyFan |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 12:58 - Jul 31 by stowmarketrange |
People who were poor lived and sometimes still live in places where they never bothered to lock their doors,and most of them didn’t resort to theft to get things they couldn’t afford.
It’s people’s attitudes that have changed,not the situations they live in. |
Wrong, there was plenty of crime and if you did it, you had to pay the Krays tax.
Also, there were way many more cops then than today, now they only protect big businesses and not all businesses.
So, now the poor see this and need overtakes morals and chances are they can get away with it. Don't like it? Pay big business to bring in private security. See how it works?
When Ice Cream van man gets robbed? Police don't care as they are too busy hitting targets of arresting old ladies who cannot pay their council tax as they spent the money on paying the Grenfell cladding tax on their ex-council high rise as the politicians push more targets on the police to keep their sponsors in big businesses happy.
They are able to do this as all right whingers care about is punishing people, not preventing crime in the first place. But then right whingers have always been weak in leadership and "woke apologists" for keeping crime down as they are more interested in the sadism. Always me me me with them, no sense of society. | |
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| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 14:34 - Jul 31 with 950 views | LazyFan |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 13:08 - Jul 31 by TacticalR |
I presumed LazyFan meant that under UBI everyone would be given a £14k watch? Or did I misinterpret him? Presumably that would reduce watch envy?
On the other hand, our Prime Minister did recently say greed is good, so in order not to kill the golden goose perhaps a new Department of Greed would be in order?
It's a very fine balance. |
As I said, I am against UBI and for UBS.
So, no money handouts here! | |
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| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 14:37 - Jul 31 with 934 views | stowmarketrange |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 14:23 - Jul 31 by LazyFan |
You are correct, but there would be fewer of them and we could catch em easier and possibly put a stop to it happening many more times than the zero times it should. |
And how would you deal with the drug problem that fuels the majority of crime? | | | |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 14:41 - Jul 31 with 926 views | stowmarketrange |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 14:33 - Jul 31 by LazyFan |
Wrong, there was plenty of crime and if you did it, you had to pay the Krays tax.
Also, there were way many more cops then than today, now they only protect big businesses and not all businesses.
So, now the poor see this and need overtakes morals and chances are they can get away with it. Don't like it? Pay big business to bring in private security. See how it works?
When Ice Cream van man gets robbed? Police don't care as they are too busy hitting targets of arresting old ladies who cannot pay their council tax as they spent the money on paying the Grenfell cladding tax on their ex-council high rise as the politicians push more targets on the police to keep their sponsors in big businesses happy.
They are able to do this as all right whingers care about is punishing people, not preventing crime in the first place. But then right whingers have always been weak in leadership and "woke apologists" for keeping crime down as they are more interested in the sadism. Always me me me with them, no sense of society. |
There may have been crime going on,but the Krays didn’t control all of London,and people still didn’t and don’t lock their doors and Windows.I certainly wouldn’t have thought that people went out on mass looting sprees because Adolf bombed their shops. | | | |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 14:50 - Jul 31 with 916 views | kensalriser |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 14:37 - Jul 31 by stowmarketrange |
And how would you deal with the drug problem that fuels the majority of crime? |
Decriminalise, tax, use the money to tackle the social problems that lead to drug abuse. | |
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| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 15:03 - Jul 31 with 893 views | stowmarketrange |
| Why would anyone wear a £14k watch? Isn't it just asking to be robbed? on 14:50 - Jul 31 by kensalriser |
Decriminalise, tax, use the money to tackle the social problems that lead to drug abuse. |
So it would be ok for the government to legally kill people with drugs then,and then use the tax raised to pay for the care for the people who don’t die because of them?
And addicts would still steal to pay for the drugs anyway.Unless the government gave them out to the users,which defeats the object really. | | | |
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