| Ashes thread 18:40 - Oct 9 with 49551 views | BlackCrowe |
Kicks off next month with the news that Cummins is likely out of the first test and possibly most/all of the series. That helps. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 06:26 - Dec 5 with 1567 views | Rsole |
| Ashes thread on 06:06 - Dec 5 by RBlock |
Feels like a 400 odd pitch doesn't it? Such a lack of situational awareness, as per - stop us leaking boundaries, keep things tight, and put yourself in a good position to get stuck into them in the trickier second session. |
We’ll need to take 3-4 wickets in the next session or they’ll take the game away completely.
Not sure where the wickets are coming from currently, none of the bowlers has much of a plan or any real discipline and the Aussies have just picked up where they left off in the last test.
We may even be batting last in this game if we aren’t careful and I feel for the fans in the stadium.
With 2 or 3 exceptions, it’s a very average team by Australia standards but they are making England look like they have never played at this level in the field.
Regretting the lack of pink ball games/practice, much ? |  |
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| Ashes thread on 06:35 - Dec 5 with 1524 views | plasmahoop |
A bit of a worrying position, especially as we know England have the potential to be bowled out in about 30 overs. We don't want the Aussies to have much of a lead |  | | |
| Ashes thread on 08:04 - Dec 5 with 1395 views | lassel |
It’s quite embarrassing that Australia are going to comfortably 5-0 this series not because they’re some wonder team, but because they’re simply professional enough to do the job they’re paid for instead of wildly swinging at every ball and trying to convince everyone they’re having so much fun doing it. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 09:31 - Dec 5 with 1266 views | TheChef |
Yes I appreciate sport/cricket is ultimately a form of entertainment, but professionals do get paid to win. This current England team just seems to have gone too far over to the former, and if they think it's about taking pressure off the players well it's clearly not working. Fine if you think you can treat every match the same, but the Ashes does have an extra level of importance and history.
They might realise this by the 3rd Test but I doubt it, in any case it will be too late. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 10:44 - Dec 5 with 1160 views | Rsole |
| Ashes thread on 09:31 - Dec 5 by TheChef |
Yes I appreciate sport/cricket is ultimately a form of entertainment, but professionals do get paid to win. This current England team just seems to have gone too far over to the former, and if they think it's about taking pressure off the players well it's clearly not working. Fine if you think you can treat every match the same, but the Ashes does have an extra level of importance and history.
They might realise this by the 3rd Test but I doubt it, in any case it will be too late. |
I think Stokes and Root understand the significance - not sure about the rest, especially not Brook - and he’s vice captain.
Can only think of one reason to make him VC - just to drop Pope for Bethell at some stage when the inevitable happens.
He’s not learning from the responsibility or offering anything else in return it seems. | |
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| Ashes thread on 10:46 - Dec 5 with 1154 views | daveB |
Forme Englands biggest issue was always going to be bowling Australia out, just think we have a lot of bowlers who bowl the same way, all good but no real variety and in these conditions the Aussies are very tough to beat |  | | |
| Ashes thread on 10:53 - Dec 5 with 1131 views | Superhoops2808 |
If their tail fails to wag this could be a finely balanced contest after both sides have batted. Get Carey tonight and we will be game on
However, this bowling unit have looked very ordinary today and don't look like getting 20 wickets |  | | |
| Ashes thread on 10:56 - Dec 5 with 1118 views | daveB |
| Ashes thread on 10:53 - Dec 5 by Superhoops2808 |
If their tail fails to wag this could be a finely balanced contest after both sides have batted. Get Carey tonight and we will be game on
However, this bowling unit have looked very ordinary today and don't look like getting 20 wickets |
The game is still there for both sides, don;t want to give Australia a bigger lead than 50 really and need to make sure they don't have a new ball tomorrow night so quicker we get these out the better | | | |
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| Ashes thread on 11:03 - Dec 5 with 1068 views | TheChef |
| Ashes thread on 10:56 - Dec 5 by daveB |
The game is still there for both sides, don;t want to give Australia a bigger lead than 50 really and need to make sure they don't have a new ball tomorrow night so quicker we get these out the better |
Well let's see if we can bat sensibly in the second innings. | |
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| Ashes thread on 11:06 - Dec 5 with 1056 views | daveB |
| Ashes thread on 11:03 - Dec 5 by TheChef |
Well let's see if we can bat sensibly in the second innings. |
yeah thats the worry that we just get bowled out cheaply but could be an exciting one this if the Aussies are chasing 250-300 in the last innings | | | |
| Ashes thread on 11:14 - Dec 5 with 1012 views | Rsole |
| Ashes thread on 11:06 - Dec 5 by daveB |
yeah thats the worry that we just get bowled out cheaply but could be an exciting one this if the Aussies are chasing 250-300 in the last innings |
Whatever happens, the bowlers need some time to recover. Carse and Stokes are both fecked and Archer is well down on speed. | |
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| Ashes thread on 11:20 - Dec 5 with 996 views | Superhoops2808 |
| Ashes thread on 11:03 - Dec 5 by TheChef |
Well let's see if we can bat sensibly in the second innings. |
Now you're just being silly | | | |
| Ashes thread on 11:35 - Dec 5 with 947 views | Rangersw12 |
Same old story
Dropped catches will cost us and wouldn't surprise me if we are skittled inside 40 overs tomorrow evening under the lights | | | |
| Ashes thread on 11:57 - Dec 5 with 885 views | ted_hendrix |
There'll always be dropped catches be they simple or hard chances but Five dropped catches????.
What hope Is there? It almost feels inevitable, any positivity you had just gets sucked out of you. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 12:37 - Dec 5 with 794 views | lassel |
| Ashes thread on 11:06 - Dec 5 by daveB |
yeah thats the worry that we just get bowled out cheaply but could be an exciting one this if the Aussies are chasing 250-300 in the last innings |
The Aussies are professional enough to just see out the daytime tomorrow and put us in at twilight to get skittles out for under 150. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 13:00 - Dec 5 with 749 views | Nov77 |
Just listened to aggers, apparently a third of their runs were scored in the third man region, which says we’re bowling too wide, only 5% of our deliveries would have hit the stumps.
If root had been caught by smith early yesterday game would be over already.
7 of our batters scored less than 20, none of theirs have (assuming Neser gets another 5). |  |
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| Ashes thread on 13:49 - Dec 5 with 665 views | Rsole |
| Ashes thread on 10:46 - Dec 5 by daveB |
Forme Englands biggest issue was always going to be bowling Australia out, just think we have a lot of bowlers who bowl the same way, all good but no real variety and in these conditions the Aussies are very tough to beat |
Just about everyone is bowling at the same level bar Starc, who’s been the difference between the two teams.
Not only have we bowled so-so, we look unfit and shot after one day of play in the field. To back that up, we don’t catch well or run anyone out directly very often either. Drop the easy ones and occasionally catch a worldie for da ‘Gram, like Jacks.
They’ve had 11 days since the last test - it’s hardly a 3 game week :-)
It’s the basic stuff - the 7Ps of prior planning & preparation prevent piss poor performance.
Pickle juice is not the answer….that’s what Stokes was allegedly taking today. Save some for Dembele and Frey, Ben ?!? | |
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| Ashes thread on 13:52 - Dec 5 with 652 views | Hunterhoop |
| Ashes thread on 13:00 - Dec 5 by Nov77 |
Just listened to aggers, apparently a third of their runs were scored in the third man region, which says we’re bowling too wide, only 5% of our deliveries would have hit the stumps.
If root had been caught by smith early yesterday game would be over already.
7 of our batters scored less than 20, none of theirs have (assuming Neser gets another 5). |
Bowled too short too. And the other reason they scored so many runs in that rgeion was Stokes’ a refusal to put a 3rd man in for most of the innings. It was infuriating. If the bowlers are struggling to pitch it up successfully, then out a 3rd man. Free runs every over.
Fundamentally, this England team looks undercooked. They don’t look like they have played much cricket recently. 9 ducks in 3 innings. Dropped catches. Bowlers 5mph down on pace from the first innings they bowled. It all screams they are short of cricket. Funny that.
The problem with this England set up is that it doesn’t seem to accept it could be wrong (as well as the lack of accountability stuff I posted on this thread the other day).
England have to bowl them out for around 400 tomorrow, and then gain parity no more than 1 or 2 down. And then they need to grit out the 3rd session. If they lose wickets in that session wafting away, they deserve all the criticism they will get. If they show some resilience with the bat tomorrow, they could finish the day around 120 ahead, hopefully for the lose of only 3, maybe.
If they can bat the two sessions on the 4th day, they’ll have a 300+ lead, AND Aus beginning their innings under lights with a new ball, which puts them in the box seat (shame we have no spinner for day 5).
However that whole strategy relies on batting time. These day night tests are all about how you manage time so you’re bowling and batting at the opportune times. It requires brains. |  | | |
| Ashes thread on 13:55 - Dec 5 with 644 views | Rsole |
| Ashes thread on 13:00 - Dec 5 by Nov77 |
Just listened to aggers, apparently a third of their runs were scored in the third man region, which says we’re bowling too wide, only 5% of our deliveries would have hit the stumps.
If root had been caught by smith early yesterday game would be over already.
7 of our batters scored less than 20, none of theirs have (assuming Neser gets another 5). |
First session, we were booking way too short.
The whole session - because no one saw Starc pitch the ball up ? Just outside the off stump ?
Then we had the backing away by the Aussie batsmen - one of them was off the pitch when he was finally bowled to a full pitched ball in middle and off.
Jacks didn’t bowl at all today, right ? Not even at lefties. If he did, I missed it and apologise but we can’t carry a bowler if the others are all fecked by the evening session. | |
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| Ashes thread on 14:06 - Dec 5 with 610 views | TheChef |
| Ashes thread on 13:52 - Dec 5 by Hunterhoop |
Bowled too short too. And the other reason they scored so many runs in that rgeion was Stokes’ a refusal to put a 3rd man in for most of the innings. It was infuriating. If the bowlers are struggling to pitch it up successfully, then out a 3rd man. Free runs every over.
Fundamentally, this England team looks undercooked. They don’t look like they have played much cricket recently. 9 ducks in 3 innings. Dropped catches. Bowlers 5mph down on pace from the first innings they bowled. It all screams they are short of cricket. Funny that.
The problem with this England set up is that it doesn’t seem to accept it could be wrong (as well as the lack of accountability stuff I posted on this thread the other day).
England have to bowl them out for around 400 tomorrow, and then gain parity no more than 1 or 2 down. And then they need to grit out the 3rd session. If they lose wickets in that session wafting away, they deserve all the criticism they will get. If they show some resilience with the bat tomorrow, they could finish the day around 120 ahead, hopefully for the lose of only 3, maybe.
If they can bat the two sessions on the 4th day, they’ll have a 300+ lead, AND Aus beginning their innings under lights with a new ball, which puts them in the box seat (shame we have no spinner for day 5).
However that whole strategy relies on batting time. These day night tests are all about how you manage time so you’re bowling and batting at the opportune times. It requires brains. |
We keep saying they should so all these things, but we know that they won't.
Only upside of all this is assuming we lose the series (badly?) then heads will roll and maybe we'll have a new setup that takes red ball cricket seriously again. | |
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| Ashes thread on 14:08 - Dec 5 with 599 views | Hunterhoop |
| Ashes thread on 13:55 - Dec 5 by Rsole |
First session, we were booking way too short.
The whole session - because no one saw Starc pitch the ball up ? Just outside the off stump ?
Then we had the backing away by the Aussie batsmen - one of them was off the pitch when he was finally bowled to a full pitched ball in middle and off.
Jacks didn’t bowl at all today, right ? Not even at lefties. If he did, I missed it and apologise but we can’t carry a bowler if the others are all fecked by the evening session. |
He bowled one over for 9 runs. He bowled as you’d expect, like a mediocre part timer. Root is a better off spinner, IMO. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 14:50 - Dec 5 with 496 views | Rsole |
| Ashes thread on 14:08 - Dec 5 by Hunterhoop |
He bowled one over for 9 runs. He bowled as you’d expect, like a mediocre part timer. Root is a better off spinner, IMO. |
Thanks, Hunter - agree about Root. | |
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| Ashes thread on 15:02 - Dec 5 with 456 views | lassel |
| Ashes thread on 13:52 - Dec 5 by Hunterhoop |
Bowled too short too. And the other reason they scored so many runs in that rgeion was Stokes’ a refusal to put a 3rd man in for most of the innings. It was infuriating. If the bowlers are struggling to pitch it up successfully, then out a 3rd man. Free runs every over.
Fundamentally, this England team looks undercooked. They don’t look like they have played much cricket recently. 9 ducks in 3 innings. Dropped catches. Bowlers 5mph down on pace from the first innings they bowled. It all screams they are short of cricket. Funny that.
The problem with this England set up is that it doesn’t seem to accept it could be wrong (as well as the lack of accountability stuff I posted on this thread the other day).
England have to bowl them out for around 400 tomorrow, and then gain parity no more than 1 or 2 down. And then they need to grit out the 3rd session. If they lose wickets in that session wafting away, they deserve all the criticism they will get. If they show some resilience with the bat tomorrow, they could finish the day around 120 ahead, hopefully for the lose of only 3, maybe.
If they can bat the two sessions on the 4th day, they’ll have a 300+ lead, AND Aus beginning their innings under lights with a new ball, which puts them in the box seat (shame we have no spinner for day 5).
However that whole strategy relies on batting time. These day night tests are all about how you manage time so you’re bowling and batting at the opportune times. It requires brains. |
There’s lots of things we *should* do… Margot Robbie *should* ditch her husband and marry me instead but here we are.
In reality they’ll stall until twilight, put us in and have us 6/7 down by close. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 16:29 - Dec 5 with 370 views | daveB |
tomorrow is the key day of the series. Australia could win the game tomorrow if they get a big lead and get us a few wickets down which they really should do.
Englands only hope really is get those 4 wickets early and don't throw wickets away.
My money would be on an Australia win but it's a massive day that could still go wither way | | | |
| Ashes thread on 17:51 - Dec 5 with 262 views | joolsyp |
I don't get what Jamie Smith offers. That was a poor drop of Head when he was on 3 and batting-wise he looks very naive and scared when he comes to the crease. Mind you they all look scared facing Starc! |  | | |
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