| Same Time Next Year 23:14 - Mar 11 with 3137 views | daveB |
I get to this point every year, time to rant away at everything and 12 months time nothing will have changed. I try and be positive, I try so hard to look for the good as it's so easy to focus on the bad, I have done all I can to stay positive on Nourry and think maybe I'm wrong give it time but I always end up here, some years it's a 6-1 at Blackpool this years its a 1-0 at Birmingham, tired, angry and ranting away on a message board likely to feature some mad spelling mistakes.
It's a mess, I'm just sick of it.
10 years of the same bloody season again and again. Good for a few months with a load of crap in between, then needing a few nervy results to avoid going down. It happened under Holloway, McClaren, the first year under Warbs, the Beale/Ainsworth year, Marti last year and again. That's not a coincidence.
The manager will get the sack again either next week if we lose the next two, or in the summer, and it will be the same again.
Heads should be rolling. Hoos, Nourry, Williams, head of methodology, the performance therapist all absolute cobblers. Be gone with them.Get a proper CEO in who knows what he's doing. Get a proper Director of football in who knows what he's doing, get people with experience and ability into positions no more bullshitters. We need good smart people running this place with a bit of bloody ambition to see us win football matches rather than the sole aim being to sell someone.
Good luck with selling Varane by the way, he runs like he's filled his nappy up and seems allergic to a foward pass. Hopefully someone is mad enough to read the data and think he doesn't give the ball away, his stats are great.
Another injury tonight, We'll call it contact to pretend we have no issue with muscle injuries. We were so off the pace again today, looked so much slower than Birmingham.
All that said no excuses for the players either that first half was a disgrace. We got nowhere near the opposition; they just stood and said off you go, we were fur coat no knickers tonight. Who wants some? Boys, help yourself. When we ran around a bit in the second half, it turned out Birmingham were nervy and crap but again our final ball, our finishing, our set pieces all absolutley shit.
As bad as that 6-1 v Blackpool a few years ago, the scoreline does not reflect that first half performance.
We'll probably scrape a win somewhere and stay up but we've spent fortunes on this squad and look like we're going to finish lower with fewer points than not only last season but the one before.
Nowhere near good enough since we beat Leicester in December.
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| Same Time Next Year on 23:24 - Mar 11 with 1845 views | Rangersw12 |
Agree with every word 👏👏
Tonight has broken me though |  | | |
| Same Time Next Year on 23:25 - Mar 11 with 1835 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
I don't think we will go down as we'll get a win at some point but in some ways maybe that's what we need? Controversial opinion but maybe it would force the owners to actually take some hands-on responsibility for running the club?
But yes, it'll be more of the same and see you again this time next year... | | | |
| Same Time Next Year on 23:42 - Mar 11 with 1743 views | ted_hendrix |
Whilst agreeing with the OP's post and FWIW I've given up On QPR too many times to remember but here we are again going over the same old situation.
Please dont say ''It's what we do we're QPR'' no It aint and nor should It be.
A few weeks ago there was talk of maybe, just maybe making the play off's 
The sooner this season ends the better, having said that If I was the one bank rolling this club I'd be kicking somebody's arse down the road.
Talk Is easy I know. |  |
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| Same Time Next Year on 23:45 - Mar 11 with 1720 views | daveB |
| Same Time Next Year on 23:42 - Mar 11 by ted_hendrix |
Whilst agreeing with the OP's post and FWIW I've given up On QPR too many times to remember but here we are again going over the same old situation.
Please dont say ''It's what we do we're QPR'' no It aint and nor should It be.
A few weeks ago there was talk of maybe, just maybe making the play off's
The sooner this season ends the better, having said that If I was the one bank rolling this club I'd be kicking somebody's arse down the road.
Talk Is easy I know. |
Yes standards should be way higher than this rubbish every season | | | |
| Same Time Next Year on 00:24 - Mar 12 with 1595 views | kensalriser |
My personal bugbears are persistent, recurrent basic coaching failures.
Last season it was two of ours closing down one of theirs while leaving a nearby opponent free, with predictable results. Last season and this (and probably for years, in fact) it's been failure to challenge at throw-ins as though there's a law against it. At the moment it's giving up early on a competitive ball and just letting the opponent get to it first. This is beginner level stuff that requires little skill, just application. What do they do in training all week? |  |
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| Same Time Next Year on 07:07 - Mar 12 with 1390 views | The_Beast1976 |
"We need good smart people running this place with a bit of bloody ambition to see us win football matches rather than the sole aim being to sell someone."
Absolutely bang on. They've got the whole ethos is the wrong way around. The club will continue to be a sh*tshow whilst that's the case. Absolute morons running the place. | | | |
| Same Time Next Year on 07:30 - Mar 12 with 1327 views | dmm |
daveB, that's as angry as I can remember from you, but I agree with what you say. I feel incredibly deflated and dejected.
There's a deep seated incompetence within the club that eventually comes out every season. The current senior management you name are culpable. Sadly our owners do not seem sufficiently interested in getting to the root of this malaise. |  | | |
| Same Time Next Year on 07:36 - Mar 12 with 1306 views | GaryBannister86 |
You've every right to be angry Dave. Look at the accounts; we are not some tiny footballing backwater spending £5 and lucky to be on the same pitch as others in the Championship.
That argument doesn't hold water because we only need to look at clubs with smaller supports than us, Brentford, Millwall, Bournemouth, Fulham - they've got it right. We've had nearly two decades at making a total pig's ear of it.
I agree wholeheartedly with you; get them all gone. New plan needed, involving QPR players wanting to play for QPR, not someone else in the future. Get that right and we all know clubs will be interested in the players anyway. Why would they be interested in the rubbish we have now?
It's almost like we go shopping for a future friend who we can only guess at what they may want rather than what we need in the here and now.
Saito & Edwards = exhibit A. [Post edited 12 Mar 7:38]
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| Same Time Next Year on 07:40 - Mar 12 with 1292 views | DesertBoot |
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| Same Time Next Year on 07:52 - Mar 12 with 1256 views | JamesB1979 |
This same squad had us 7th on Christmas Day and we were still 7th when we were beating Wrexham with 5 minutes to go. People were pretty happy with the squad then. Lots of people happy with the recruitment and with the “good eggs” we had in the squad. And now it’s rip everything up? What exactly are we aiming for? Get a load of ex qpr players in because they “know the club”? We tried that before and it didn’t work.
The injury situation and the general fitness is ridiculous and if the club doesn’t admit it and do something about it, then a lot of heads need to roll.
I am amazed at the lack of criticism for the manager. He was brought in to develop players and all of them, except Madsen, has gone backwards. We have injuries but we have enough fit players to put on a better show than we have in what 2 months? We can talk about lack of intensity….but isn’t that his job? The players look confused….again his job. | | | |
| Same Time Next Year on 07:58 - Mar 12 with 1234 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Same Time Next Year on 07:52 - Mar 12 by JamesB1979 |
This same squad had us 7th on Christmas Day and we were still 7th when we were beating Wrexham with 5 minutes to go. People were pretty happy with the squad then. Lots of people happy with the recruitment and with the “good eggs” we had in the squad. And now it’s rip everything up? What exactly are we aiming for? Get a load of ex qpr players in because they “know the club”? We tried that before and it didn’t work.
The injury situation and the general fitness is ridiculous and if the club doesn’t admit it and do something about it, then a lot of heads need to roll.
I am amazed at the lack of criticism for the manager. He was brought in to develop players and all of them, except Madsen, has gone backwards. We have injuries but we have enough fit players to put on a better show than we have in what 2 months? We can talk about lack of intensity….but isn’t that his job? The players look confused….again his job. |
But James, we've been doing relatively well around mid-December before, many times. And every time we've fallen like a stone.
I don't think Stephan is much cop, but this happening every time would indicate that it isn't all the manager's fault and there is greater mismanagement at play?
No interest in ex QPR players or staff taking over, tried all that and it doesn't work much either. Except in League One maybe. I want seasoned football professionals to manage the club, properly directed by the owners. | | | |
| Same Time Next Year on 08:52 - Mar 12 with 1129 views | JamesB1979 |
| Same Time Next Year on 07:58 - Mar 12 by GaryBannister86 |
But James, we've been doing relatively well around mid-December before, many times. And every time we've fallen like a stone.
I don't think Stephan is much cop, but this happening every time would indicate that it isn't all the manager's fault and there is greater mismanagement at play?
No interest in ex QPR players or staff taking over, tried all that and it doesn't work much either. Except in League One maybe. I want seasoned football professionals to manage the club, properly directed by the owners. |
When have we been consistently around the playoffs up until around 10 games ago? Warburton was the last one I think? And given the age of that squad, look at how that left us in the season Ainsworth was in charge. And I’d say it’s taken us a while to recover from that.
I also hold JS partly to blame for flogging 3 key players to death in Burrell, Madsen and then Chair. Those 3 injuries have cost us the most this season. But that also doesn’t explain the lack of intensity and the fact that the players look so confused. How can you go to Birmingham and play like that first half? What is is saying to them to get them up for the game? What is telling them to play like? | | | |
| Same Time Next Year on 09:07 - Mar 12 with 1071 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Same Time Next Year on 08:52 - Mar 12 by JamesB1979 |
When have we been consistently around the playoffs up until around 10 games ago? Warburton was the last one I think? And given the age of that squad, look at how that left us in the season Ainsworth was in charge. And I’d say it’s taken us a while to recover from that.
I also hold JS partly to blame for flogging 3 key players to death in Burrell, Madsen and then Chair. Those 3 injuries have cost us the most this season. But that also doesn’t explain the lack of intensity and the fact that the players look so confused. How can you go to Birmingham and play like that first half? What is is saying to them to get them up for the game? What is telling them to play like? |
Sure - I said "relatively well" as Warbs aside we have never really been involved.
I don't rate JS at all, even given my belief that this job is nigh on impossible with the set up above, and I agree about the first half. Someone on social media said they were 84, had watched an incredible amount of QPR drivel, but that was right up there as bad as they have ever seen. I don't disagree, and injuries or not, that is just awful - you can at least fight. | | | |
| Same Time Next Year on 09:13 - Mar 12 with 1041 views | Mr_Beef |
| Same Time Next Year on 07:52 - Mar 12 by JamesB1979 |
This same squad had us 7th on Christmas Day and we were still 7th when we were beating Wrexham with 5 minutes to go. People were pretty happy with the squad then. Lots of people happy with the recruitment and with the “good eggs” we had in the squad. And now it’s rip everything up? What exactly are we aiming for? Get a load of ex qpr players in because they “know the club”? We tried that before and it didn’t work.
The injury situation and the general fitness is ridiculous and if the club doesn’t admit it and do something about it, then a lot of heads need to roll.
I am amazed at the lack of criticism for the manager. He was brought in to develop players and all of them, except Madsen, has gone backwards. We have injuries but we have enough fit players to put on a better show than we have in what 2 months? We can talk about lack of intensity….but isn’t that his job? The players look confused….again his job. |
Look at the players available now compared to before Christmas, James. The patchy recruitment was apparent then and again after the transfer window.
There's criticism on here for JS, and rightly so, but this season has also fallen apart for reasons beyond his control. We have a hugely inexperienced DoF/CEO making significant mistakes, and let's not forget that JS is his appointment. That's our bigger problem in my view. |  | | |
| Same Time Next Year on 09:14 - Mar 12 with 1031 views | enfieldargh |
Agree with all Dave except it was only 45 minutes V Leicester , 2nd half we offered precious little like the players said well weve done well here we dont need to imporove on this, since then its almost like they have rested on their laurels. |  |
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| Same Time Next Year on 09:16 - Mar 12 with 1024 views | daveB |
| Same Time Next Year on 07:52 - Mar 12 by JamesB1979 |
This same squad had us 7th on Christmas Day and we were still 7th when we were beating Wrexham with 5 minutes to go. People were pretty happy with the squad then. Lots of people happy with the recruitment and with the “good eggs” we had in the squad. And now it’s rip everything up? What exactly are we aiming for? Get a load of ex qpr players in because they “know the club”? We tried that before and it didn’t work.
The injury situation and the general fitness is ridiculous and if the club doesn’t admit it and do something about it, then a lot of heads need to roll.
I am amazed at the lack of criticism for the manager. He was brought in to develop players and all of them, except Madsen, has gone backwards. We have injuries but we have enough fit players to put on a better show than we have in what 2 months? We can talk about lack of intensity….but isn’t that his job? The players look confused….again his job. |
What exactly are we ripping up that should be kept?
That first half last night was a disgrace of a performance, with no effort at all which shows how the good eggs are only good when things are going well. A bit of adversity and we fall apart.
We've had it before under McClaren when we were around playoffs in January and almost relegated by April. Warbs' first season had us near the playoffs in March then after COVID, we lost almost every game and were thankful for a Wigan points deduction.
The Beale season playoffs at Christmas almost relegated. Last season around playoffs on Valentineas Day slipped away and needed a win at Oxford to avoid being dragged in.
Same again this year, you can blame the manager and I don't think he's doing a great job but it happens almost every season.
Yes we were 7th earlier in the season, so what, Preston and Stoke were 3rd for a while I doubt they are happy with how it ended up either. | | | |
| Same Time Next Year on 09:42 - Mar 12 with 958 views | BristolR |
Good, but sad, thread that summarises our shitshow in a nutshell. Lack of standards is on show everywhere, not just for the odd half a game but consistently across many games. For me it’s all about a lack of standards, whether that’s basic 10 yard passes, closing down, tackling (has anyone seen a Harvey Vale tackle in the wild ?), any sense of order and r structure to our play….
I honestly feel that Warburton would instill some standards as a replacement for the boy wonder and lead the clear out of the non-performance department. He’s a bright, hard working guy who would demand more from everyone. The big question is whether he would want to work with Hoos again or whether Hoos would go for it? Whilst we always change the Manager to little effect, I do think JS is done, but just changing him won’t change a thing.
Sadly, all the above needs Ruben to strap some on and I don’t see that happening.  |  | | |
| Same Time Next Year on 09:55 - Mar 12 with 914 views | JamesB1979 |
| Same Time Next Year on 09:13 - Mar 12 by Mr_Beef |
Look at the players available now compared to before Christmas, James. The patchy recruitment was apparent then and again after the transfer window.
There's criticism on here for JS, and rightly so, but this season has also fallen apart for reasons beyond his control. We have a hugely inexperienced DoF/CEO making significant mistakes, and let's not forget that JS is his appointment. That's our bigger problem in my view. |
I completely agree on the injuries and I did say that above. But the injuries didn’t really kick in until Sheffield Wednesday game. The results and performances after Leicester but before Wednesday game were very poor. We absolutely cannot expect to do well in this league losing Burrell, Madsen and Chair. However, I don’t think that completely justifies the absolute rubbish that has been served up since. And JS can’t moan about fatigue and number of fixtures and then play Burrell every minute and generally only make subs after 70 minutes. | | | |
| Same Time Next Year on 09:58 - Mar 12 with 887 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Same Time Next Year on 09:55 - Mar 12 by JamesB1979 |
I completely agree on the injuries and I did say that above. But the injuries didn’t really kick in until Sheffield Wednesday game. The results and performances after Leicester but before Wednesday game were very poor. We absolutely cannot expect to do well in this league losing Burrell, Madsen and Chair. However, I don’t think that completely justifies the absolute rubbish that has been served up since. And JS can’t moan about fatigue and number of fixtures and then play Burrell every minute and generally only make subs after 70 minutes. |
Who picked this manager that has ruined the season / club / our lives? |  | | |
| Same Time Next Year on 10:00 - Mar 12 with 872 views | Superhoops2808 |
I haven't read through other threads on this board because most of it is rant rant rant and its same old posters out of the woodwork when we are doing badly that we never hear from when we are playing well.
But when DaveB posts (rain or shine) - its always constructive as the opening post is. Last nights whole game, not just the first half was unacceptable and I'll be honest I switched off on 60 mins.
I consider myself one of the more positive posters (either that or delusional or both) but even I am now getting nervous - especially when I am receiving mocking texts from Charlton supporters I know.
So I'll give my take from players upwards. There are players out there, so low on confidence its untrue always reflective with a young squad. Some need taking out of the firing line and given a rest because its not just confidence some are just worn out. Saito, Kone, Walsh, and even Dunne all need a spell out but we just have no one adequate to replace them. We have players like Varane, JCS all coming back from injury and in truth not up to speed with the game. This in turn is causing others to be under pressure too and its just continuous
The manager: I just don't think he is the problem really. If he had a full squad to pick from I am sure he would have done a lot of things differently. He just isn't getting the support from above - And I dont blame him for loaning Sam Field, I think that blame lays above him.
Nourry/Hoos/Williams: For me, this is where the issues are, especially Williams and Nourry. They are the cancer of this club currently, and quite simply need to go. I don't take any notice of the alleged ITK the people on here who again only pop up when things are going badly - Its obvious to everyone that those two are the issue and at least one of them have to go in the Summer.
Our owners: Simply put, we need them, BUT we need them to be on the ball and see what is happening here because as has been said over the last few weeks we are clearly in a bad way and something needs to change.
I know people wont agree with everything I have written, but from feeling really positive, I am now so fed up I just wish we would fall over the 52 point line and I can relax and enjoy the cricket season and look forward to the beginning of August with the blind optimism that I have every year. |  | | |
| Same Time Next Year on 10:01 - Mar 12 with 866 views | JamesB1979 |
| Same Time Next Year on 09:58 - Mar 12 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Who picked this manager that has ruined the season / club / our lives? |
Yeah I can’t argue with that. | | | |
| Same Time Next Year on 10:10 - Mar 12 with 835 views | Noelmc |
Spot on Dave. I think you've written the bulk of Clive's match report for him and he deserves a day off after all the pain he he's had to re-live writing recent reports on our 'performances'.
I'm actually starting to wonder whether it would be worth a relegation this season to wake up the owners and get them to clear out the chancers currently running our Club. [Post edited 12 Mar 13:42]
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| Same Time Next Year on 10:10 - Mar 12 with 833 views | GaryBannister86 |
"I haven't read through other threads on this board because most of it is rant rant rant and its same old posters out of the woodwork when we are doing badly that we never hear from when we are playing well."
I don't understand the problem with this. Maybe when we win they are too busy being happy and celebrating, so there is less to post?
What is wrong with venting about the issues, even if you don't write "hurrah everything is great" when we win?
Just because someone doesn't post when we are doing well surely doesn't mean that they are not enjoying it and only want us to lose? | | | |
| Same Time Next Year on 10:17 - Mar 12 with 808 views | TheChef |
| Same Time Next Year on 10:10 - Mar 12 by Noelmc |
Spot on Dave. I think you've written the bulk of Clive's match report for him and he deserves a day off after all the pain he he's had to re-live writing recent reports on our 'performances'.
I'm actually starting to wonder whether it would be worth a relegation this season to wake up the owners and get them to clear out the chancers currently running our Club. [Post edited 12 Mar 13:42]
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League One relegation would be a disaster, imagine how many years it would take us to go up again!
As a bare minimum we have to stay in the Championship. It's not a difficult league to compete in but for the last ten years we've always made it far tougher than it is. |  |
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| Same Time Next Year on 10:24 - Mar 12 with 771 views | terryb |
I've had to give myself a severe talking to this morning! Last night I was thankful for how we had improved in the second half, with a higher tempo & greater effort. Yes, I knew we should have been behind by at least 4 at half time & that we never looked like scoring, but we had tried!
This morning, I can't get over how absymal the opening 45 minutes were & every bit as bad as in the 3 previous games although it would have been impossible to have been worse! I next questioned how could I have given any praise for trying? That should be the very least of our expectations, but I was surprised that we had! I also hadn't expected that we would "improve" with every substitution that we made. Not that any of them have given any indications that they will perform as well if they started games.
In my mind, I'm repeatedly seeing Mbengue being taken apart in the opening minutes & looking as if he was deliberately trying to get a 2 match suspension. Then I see Clarke-Salter looking so uncomfortable & confused by supposedly playing left back. Next is to see Smyth make & win a tackle, which was the only attempt to do so by any of them! Not that he did anything with the ball, but Kolli touched the all more in 5 minutes than anyone (apart from Walsh) had managed to do.
Where do we go from here? I've not really got a clue, but it must be worth trying playing a back three although that would mean Stephan going against his instincts. | | | |
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