| We seem to have a big mentality problem 22:01 - Dec 29 with 1891 views | bosh67 |
Probably a bit premature after a really bad defeat but with the exception of Warnock there seems to be an institutional problem of the team wallowing in bad patches and games. It seems to be something that's been going on since Holloway's last reign. The bad patches seem to be inordinately longer than other team's bad patches. I can only think that there is some kind of deep set mentality problem, like a footballing equivalent of bad building syndrome that lingers around this club.
I seem to remember that 'muck and nails' Warnock actually had a few staff members charged with making sure that it didn't happen when things went wrong in his time. It does seem that whoever the manager/coach is or the squad are that we tend to fall into an abyss of mentality anguish that other clubs don't do.
Am I alone in thinking there is some kind of institutional mentality issue here? Probably... |  |
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| We seem to have a big mentality problem on 22:14 - Dec 29 with 1803 views | ted_hendrix |
I tend to put It down as us being crap. |  |
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| We seem to have a big mentality problem on 22:47 - Dec 29 with 1712 views | ManinBlack |
I agree with you Bosh. It does seem that when we crumble it lasts month's. I tend to blame the lack of standards at the club as it doesn't matter who the manager or players are, it just seems to happen season after season and appears to be accepted as part of our dna.
It feels like people come to the club with good intentions but then they seem to lose interest and stop what they were doing well and get into some sort of malaise wanting to get out. I believe money has exacerbated it. If you are skint then you wind up with journeymen who are past it, injury prone players, cast offs from other clubs either on loan or bought on the cheap. In other words we take on problem players. As soon as we start losing so their interest in playing for us wanes.
I see no way out of this unless the owners change the dynamics of the club or we get a massive financial investment boost. I know things didn't work with Tango and Cash but they had the right idea to make the club better and bring in better players. We need someone else better at it next time if their is to be a next time. However the limitations of our stadium makes it impossible to expand and increase the capacity.
Currently we are going nowhere and we think like a small club. It didn't matter up to the 1990s about club size as much as it does now as the gulf between us and the top of the Premier League is massive.
This is just my opinion and others will disagree but I don't see the same determination at our club to succeed like at clubs like West Brom and Middlesbrough. As soon as they bring in new managers they started winning game after game. Their players seem to have been lifted whereas we win, draw and lose in the new man's first three games with each performance getting worse. I put this down to standards that our club seems to lack where giving up is accepted. |  | | |
| We seem to have a big mentality problem on 22:58 - Dec 29 with 1667 views | Damo1962 |
| We seem to have a big mentality problem on 22:14 - Dec 29 by ted_hendrix |
I tend to put It down as us being crap. |
Bit of both I think. |  | | |
| We seem to have a big mentality problem on 23:02 - Dec 29 with 1652 views | Hunterhoop |
I think it’s a balance of personality types and experience levels.
It feels similar to that first half of Warburton’s second season when we found ourselves 18th. We’re soft. We seem to expect to find goals hard to come by but easy to concede.
No one is in the ref’s ear. Luton committed 20 fouls tonight. 20! 4 bookings. That is mad. There were two big pen shouts (Laird and high foot) and our players did nothing. We are soft and easy to referee.
I just don’t think the players believe, and I don’t think some of them are giving “their all”. For example, Dykes might be fcking limited, but I think he’s still really trying. Roberts?! Ireogbunam? Chair? Willock? JCS? Come off it. Chair might be unwell, so pass for him, but we have some wasters here. That will cause a squad to spiral. |  | | |
| We seem to have a big mentality problem on 23:05 - Dec 29 with 1641 views | Damo1962 |
| We seem to have a big mentality problem on 22:47 - Dec 29 by ManinBlack |
I agree with you Bosh. It does seem that when we crumble it lasts month's. I tend to blame the lack of standards at the club as it doesn't matter who the manager or players are, it just seems to happen season after season and appears to be accepted as part of our dna.
It feels like people come to the club with good intentions but then they seem to lose interest and stop what they were doing well and get into some sort of malaise wanting to get out. I believe money has exacerbated it. If you are skint then you wind up with journeymen who are past it, injury prone players, cast offs from other clubs either on loan or bought on the cheap. In other words we take on problem players. As soon as we start losing so their interest in playing for us wanes.
I see no way out of this unless the owners change the dynamics of the club or we get a massive financial investment boost. I know things didn't work with Tango and Cash but they had the right idea to make the club better and bring in better players. We need someone else better at it next time if their is to be a next time. However the limitations of our stadium makes it impossible to expand and increase the capacity.
Currently we are going nowhere and we think like a small club. It didn't matter up to the 1990s about club size as much as it does now as the gulf between us and the top of the Premier League is massive.
This is just my opinion and others will disagree but I don't see the same determination at our club to succeed like at clubs like West Brom and Middlesbrough. As soon as they bring in new managers they started winning game after game. Their players seem to have been lifted whereas we win, draw and lose in the new man's first three games with each performance getting worse. I put this down to standards that our club seems to lack where giving up is accepted. |
Spot on analysis. And it isn't just the Prem that has left us behind, we are falling behind most clubs in the Championship too. Like some have said, I don't think the club has enough self-respect - on and off the pitch. Really hard to see it changing without investment,. Hurts so much more because of clubs like Luton, recently almost destroyed - on an upward trajectory. They will have a new stadium long before us, and a bright future ala Brentford. | | | |
| We seem to have a big mentality problem on 23:19 - Dec 29 with 1577 views | PunteR |
We're mental alright. |  |
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| We seem to have a big mentality problem on 23:26 - Dec 29 with 1527 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| We seem to have a big mentality problem on 22:47 - Dec 29 by ManinBlack |
I agree with you Bosh. It does seem that when we crumble it lasts month's. I tend to blame the lack of standards at the club as it doesn't matter who the manager or players are, it just seems to happen season after season and appears to be accepted as part of our dna.
It feels like people come to the club with good intentions but then they seem to lose interest and stop what they were doing well and get into some sort of malaise wanting to get out. I believe money has exacerbated it. If you are skint then you wind up with journeymen who are past it, injury prone players, cast offs from other clubs either on loan or bought on the cheap. In other words we take on problem players. As soon as we start losing so their interest in playing for us wanes.
I see no way out of this unless the owners change the dynamics of the club or we get a massive financial investment boost. I know things didn't work with Tango and Cash but they had the right idea to make the club better and bring in better players. We need someone else better at it next time if their is to be a next time. However the limitations of our stadium makes it impossible to expand and increase the capacity.
Currently we are going nowhere and we think like a small club. It didn't matter up to the 1990s about club size as much as it does now as the gulf between us and the top of the Premier League is massive.
This is just my opinion and others will disagree but I don't see the same determination at our club to succeed like at clubs like West Brom and Middlesbrough. As soon as they bring in new managers they started winning game after game. Their players seem to have been lifted whereas we win, draw and lose in the new man's first three games with each performance getting worse. I put this down to standards that our club seems to lack where giving up is accepted. |
Spot on. The standards are set from the top and we have a culture of failure, encapsulated by a puppet chairman, a Director of Football who is not apparently responsible for the standard of football we play, and a myriad of development coaches who never actually develop any players. Look at Bournemouth getting that American investment recently - Bournemouth! Fulham and Brentford in the top half of the Premier League. Luton were non-league a few seasons ago and now they're doing the double over us without us laying a glove on them. Their players aren't big-name players with many signed from the lower leagues, but they actually seem to give a shit. I thought Burnley was bad, but people said we should accept that because they're going up this season. Tonight was far, far worse. The people running the club should be embarrassed by the level of performance tonight - I genuinely dread to think what Monday will be like. [Post edited 29 Dec 2022 23:28]
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| We seem to have a big mentality problem on 23:40 - Dec 29 with 1484 views | ted_hendrix |
There was a time back in the Sixties right up to when we had seating fitted in the lower loft when we stood behind the goal at the loft end, at half time we'd all gather and talk bolox and It never ever seemed to matter If we were losing especially If we were kicking towards the loft In the second half we invariably managed to turn It round In the second half, kicking towards the loft In the second half almost seemed magical (well It did to me anyway).
It's not like that now; I'm not gonna aim kicks at our club or point the finger or blame anyone or anything but It's changed, I go back decades supporting this club that won't change but yes the club or football Itself has changed as has the atmosphere.
Can't put my finger on It, all I do know Is back In the day If you lost at home It wasn't the 'end of the world'
It Is now though or so It seems. | |
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| We seem to have a big mentality problem on 07:20 - Dec 30 with 1274 views | Malintabuk |
| We seem to have a big mentality problem on 22:47 - Dec 29 by ManinBlack |
I agree with you Bosh. It does seem that when we crumble it lasts month's. I tend to blame the lack of standards at the club as it doesn't matter who the manager or players are, it just seems to happen season after season and appears to be accepted as part of our dna.
It feels like people come to the club with good intentions but then they seem to lose interest and stop what they were doing well and get into some sort of malaise wanting to get out. I believe money has exacerbated it. If you are skint then you wind up with journeymen who are past it, injury prone players, cast offs from other clubs either on loan or bought on the cheap. In other words we take on problem players. As soon as we start losing so their interest in playing for us wanes.
I see no way out of this unless the owners change the dynamics of the club or we get a massive financial investment boost. I know things didn't work with Tango and Cash but they had the right idea to make the club better and bring in better players. We need someone else better at it next time if their is to be a next time. However the limitations of our stadium makes it impossible to expand and increase the capacity.
Currently we are going nowhere and we think like a small club. It didn't matter up to the 1990s about club size as much as it does now as the gulf between us and the top of the Premier League is massive.
This is just my opinion and others will disagree but I don't see the same determination at our club to succeed like at clubs like West Brom and Middlesbrough. As soon as they bring in new managers they started winning game after game. Their players seem to have been lifted whereas we win, draw and lose in the new man's first three games with each performance getting worse. I put this down to standards that our club seems to lack where giving up is accepted. |
There is not a lot more that can be said.... top analysis of us.
The only thing I would say is that we are a club going somewhere and in danger of spiralling down
It amazes me that clearly sensible business men are pumping millions into this club, and for what ? A chance of selling the ground?
My love affair with our club is coming to an end, I certainly have given more than I'm going to get, I genuinely fear where this era is going to end up.
I can honestly see us in League 1, where we were when I started supporting us, and maybe even lower.
I hope some of this is knee jerk, but I honestly don't think this is. | | | |
| We seem to have a big mentality problem on 07:44 - Dec 30 with 1219 views | andrew1302 |
There is a promotion around the club that we need to play football a certain way - flowing and attractive. I simply do not think that works in this division. You need to close down fast , never stop running and generally be in the other team's face. Each year we may start well because we are being worked out. Then the point comes where the other side simply follows the above and we are taken apart. Last night was a classic example. Luton worked harder, were quicker to the ball and simply had an attitude of wanting it. Potts may have been a pain but his work rate was like 3 or our players. I also have to say i have no idea what the tactics were supposed to be last night. Knocking it long to Dykes, ok but what on earth was he supposed to do when the nearest 3 players to him were Luton ones and our midfield who i assume were expected to be running on were at least 15 m away waiting to tappy tappy backwards.
I think the first thing we have to do is work harder. We need to close down way quicker and then we need to get more than Dykes standing alone in the box. If Critchley is wanting seemingly to use wide players you need people to get on the end of crosses which means in our case the midfield have to move faster and be more determined.
I was at Cardiff and Luton and i fear for us right now. We don't seem to have a system which works. We can't cross a ball and our set plays are awful. Please note the 2nd Luton goal. An excellent delivery right into the danger area. Meanwhile we had Paal who considered success being able to find the 18 yard box. And Luton's third. Determined run , quick passing and a shot .
I think i am right in saying we did not have one meaningful shot all game. A gentle effort from Chair and that was it. I don't think their keeper's knees actually touched the turf.
The truth is we were and have been dreadful recently. Revert to what the Championship is or i think we may well be League 1. We need to get in the opposition's face, close down and generally put in the dirty work for 90 minutes. At the end of last night i didn't see one of our players who looked knackered and they should of been.
Too early to judge Critchley but his formations, tactics and player selection so far are all in my view not great. Plus the players do not seem enrolled which is a big fear. | | | |
| We seem to have a big mentality problem on 08:10 - Dec 30 with 1166 views | Rs_Holy |
Really hoping Critchley has got a couple of players in mind for the January window? We need someone up front to make a Wells/Austin (when first loaned to us) type impact. That might be enough to kick start something???
I really feared goals would be the problem at the start of this season as the perm players are just not quite Championship standard and Roberts is not up to it (goals and fitness) as the experienced/Prem loaner!!! Replacing Roberts would be my number 1 priority if I was Critchley. Lyndon will at least run all day and night for him. [Post edited 30 Dec 2022 11:16]
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| We seem to have a big mentality problem on 11:01 - Dec 30 with 985 views | davman |
Is it something to do with the fact that we will only tolerate "the right sorts" when we recruit? Does this lead to a bunch of nice lads that don't have any "nasty" in them?
Need more Shaun Derry "nasty" (not Joey type nasty of course...).
Or maybe some good footballers for Midfield and up front? |  |
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| We seem to have a big mentality problem on 17:40 - Dec 30 with 845 views | Logman |
| We seem to have a big mentality problem on 11:01 - Dec 30 by davman |
Is it something to do with the fact that we will only tolerate "the right sorts" when we recruit? Does this lead to a bunch of nice lads that don't have any "nasty" in them?
Need more Shaun Derry "nasty" (not Joey type nasty of course...).
Or maybe some good footballers for Midfield and up front? |
I think that is part of the problem - which also transcends to the management team.
OK, recent managerial appointments have been better than in preceding years but the problem with selecting candidates who completely buy into the ethos is that you are not going to get, or to be able to live with, a manager who calls out any deficiencies in the regime.
If you don't give your manager free rein to dictate everything on the football front then he will always be kowtowing to some ideology or another and will never be able to develop a true winning mentality. | | | |
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