| Wolves now in bottom 3 21:46 - Feb 19 with 983 views | loftboy |
Played more games than the teams above them as well. |  |
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| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 21:51 - Feb 19 with 961 views | N12Hoop |
That's what worries me about going down. It's ok if we are going to bounce back, in fact it would be an enjoyable season. But as sh1t as Wolves are surely they didn't expect to be languishing like this. |  |
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| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 21:52 - Feb 19 with 951 views | bosh67 |
Yes it is amazing. they have some decent players in the side as well. |  |
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| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 21:53 - Feb 19 with 946 views | Northernr |
Good. Don't want to be going there next season. Shthole. |  | | |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 22:02 - Feb 19 with 923 views | derbyhoop |
I know they were poor last season. But, other than Jarvis, who did they get rid of? |  |
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| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 22:23 - Feb 19 with 867 views | Lblock |
I've no time for Wolves and do hope they drop so Karl Henry can be playing closer to his real level and to give their crowd of moaning, whining, boo'ers something to do it all louder!
However, comparisons with ourselves will surely be drawn?
We must ensure a squad fit for purpose is assembled and plans need to be afoot NOW!!!
Adopting the Newcastle route will be fine but let's ensure our squad, plans and off the field personnel are geared up that way
As an aside I find it odd that out of the 3 relegated sides only Rovers have made a vague fist of it this season and they are a bigger circus than we have ever been (just).
It's a tough one to get out of at the right end but with commitment, determination, belief and will....mixed with a sprinkling of pace and skill....it's a good old ride!!! |  |
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| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 22:34 - Feb 19 with 839 views | HollowayRanger |
we need goal scorers!!!!!!!!!
no team will get religated if it has real goal scorers in it
we got a cripple in johnson
a half cripple in zamorra
a cripple in the making in remy
and bothroyd!
christ if we ont geet some strikers in come end of season we will do a wolves
this is why letting DJ go not just now but end of season IS TOTAL MADNESS! |  |
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| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 22:51 - Feb 19 with 807 views | CamberleyR |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 22:02 - Feb 19 by derbyhoop |
I know they were poor last season. But, other than Jarvis, who did they get rid of? |
Steven Fletcher |  |
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| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 22:53 - Feb 19 with 800 views | CamberleyR |
And Michael Kightly. | |
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| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 23:01 - Feb 19 with 790 views | dodge_stoke_r |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 22:34 - Feb 19 by HollowayRanger |
we need goal scorers!!!!!!!!!
no team will get religated if it has real goal scorers in it
we got a cripple in johnson
a half cripple in zamorra
a cripple in the making in remy
and bothroyd!
christ if we ont geet some strikers in come end of season we will do a wolves
this is why letting DJ go not just now but end of season IS TOTAL MADNESS! |
I agree our forward line is poor but DJ Campbell is also shite and not the answer!! Barring one season at Blackpool ( and every dog has his day ) he has only scored at a lower level. |  | | |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 23:11 - Feb 19 with 774 views | Match82 |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 23:01 - Feb 19 by dodge_stoke_r |
I agree our forward line is poor but DJ Campbell is also shite and not the answer!! Barring one season at Blackpool ( and every dog has his day ) he has only scored at a lower level. |
In all fairness, aside from that one season at Blackpool he's only played a handful of games that weren't at a lower level. |  | | |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 23:29 - Feb 19 with 751 views | HollowayRanger |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 23:01 - Feb 19 by dodge_stoke_r |
I agree our forward line is poor but DJ Campbell is also shite and not the answer!! Barring one season at Blackpool ( and every dog has his day ) he has only scored at a lower level. |
and thats where we will need him next season!
least being a QPR fan we know he will put in a shift | |
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| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 23:32 - Feb 19 with 745 views | Jigsore |
Bakary Sako is a damn good player |  |
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| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 00:03 - Feb 20 with 712 views | themodfather |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 23:32 - Feb 19 by Jigsore |
Bakary Sako is a damn good player |
other clubs can rot, i have enuff to worry about with qpr
the impending relegation, debts and admin
pompey led the way and i suspect many in the fa etc knew is was "on top" but turned blind eyes, imo
still gonna be fun, eh?
but we're in safe waters, debt free and all's so wonderful we are staying up
wahey wahey wahey
celebrate good times come on |  | | |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 09:19 - Feb 20 with 597 views | TacticalR |
Wolves were in a bad way last season. They were the only team we beat away with ease.
At home we looked comfortable against them until we self-destructed and Cissé got sent off. |  |
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| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 09:25 - Feb 20 with 587 views | Jamie |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 09:19 - Feb 20 by TacticalR |
Wolves were in a bad way last season. They were the only team we beat away with ease.
At home we looked comfortable against them until we self-destructed and Cissé got sent off. |
And who reminds you of them this season? | | | |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 10:05 - Feb 20 with 547 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 09:25 - Feb 20 by Jamie |
And who reminds you of them this season? |
And don't forget who were recently the most financially responsible Premier club. |  |
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| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 10:17 - Feb 20 with 524 views | baz_qpr |
This is the absolute classic example of "lets get a championship manager" and selling of your best players fast to "reduce the wage bill" gets you.
If you dont improve a team you will sink better to give it 6 months having a real go and then assess at the january window whether you need to sell off, than flog your assets to balance the books in the first six months of relegation. That is the real lesson here |  | | |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 10:52 - Feb 20 with 488 views | Loft1979 |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 22:34 - Feb 19 by HollowayRanger |
we need goal scorers!!!!!!!!!
no team will get religated if it has real goal scorers in it
we got a cripple in johnson
a half cripple in zamorra
a cripple in the making in remy
and bothroyd!
christ if we ont geet some strikers in come end of season we will do a wolves
this is why letting DJ go not just now but end of season IS TOTAL MADNESS! |
Nice discussion, mostly.
-The main point is getting relegation to the Championship is NOT a good thing nor does (as is often posted) give you carte blanche to eject salaries. The problem Wolves have could be tha same as QPRs (now or next year) in picking the wrong managers and players.
- As stated/alluded to here; Johnson, Nelsen and several others were too risky. If healthy Zamora and Andy Johnson could have us in a much better position. Failed attempts to get Crouch, Odemwinge, Dawson meant no focus elsewhere. We could have gotten Roger Johnson, Odemwinge, Charlie Austin earlier before Sept, instead Mark Hughes opted for Park, Granero, Hoilet, AJ and Nelsen in the Summer and stuck with Anton, Derry, Cisse, Traore and DJ. Point; bad signings and injuries have hurt. Historical perspective...birmingham never should have been relegated but injuries to the defense hit hard..now they are mid table in the championship.
- On the flip side: Sullivan and Co. spent $$$ to bring in Demba Ba, Hitzelberger et al in a failed attempt to stay up, but then last year did bounce back despite losing Scott Parker, Ba and others.
-If we do go down (and its not a done deal) I hope the defense is sorted out, Adel stays, Julio stays and we do re-create a core structure (like WHAM) with good young players. HR did good in bringing Santos to add to Adel. Danny Rose would have been nice too.
-Last point; we were odds on to go down this time last year as well. With some luck, Adel, julio and some goals from Remy I think we stand a chance.
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| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 11:22 - Feb 20 with 464 views | loftboy |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 10:52 - Feb 20 by Loft1979 |
Nice discussion, mostly.
-The main point is getting relegation to the Championship is NOT a good thing nor does (as is often posted) give you carte blanche to eject salaries. The problem Wolves have could be tha same as QPRs (now or next year) in picking the wrong managers and players.
- As stated/alluded to here; Johnson, Nelsen and several others were too risky. If healthy Zamora and Andy Johnson could have us in a much better position. Failed attempts to get Crouch, Odemwinge, Dawson meant no focus elsewhere. We could have gotten Roger Johnson, Odemwinge, Charlie Austin earlier before Sept, instead Mark Hughes opted for Park, Granero, Hoilet, AJ and Nelsen in the Summer and stuck with Anton, Derry, Cisse, Traore and DJ. Point; bad signings and injuries have hurt. Historical perspective...birmingham never should have been relegated but injuries to the defense hit hard..now they are mid table in the championship.
- On the flip side: Sullivan and Co. spent $$$ to bring in Demba Ba, Hitzelberger et al in a failed attempt to stay up, but then last year did bounce back despite losing Scott Parker, Ba and others.
-If we do go down (and its not a done deal) I hope the defense is sorted out, Adel stays, Julio stays and we do re-create a core structure (like WHAM) with good young players. HR did good in bringing Santos to add to Adel. Danny Rose would have been nice too.
-Last point; we were odds on to go down this time last year as well. With some luck, Adel, julio and some goals from Remy I think we stand a chance.
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To be fair any manager would if stuck with Cisse after the foams he scored at the end of last season. | |
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| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 12:43 - Feb 20 with 419 views | Northernr |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 10:17 - Feb 20 by baz_qpr |
This is the absolute classic example of "lets get a championship manager" and selling of your best players fast to "reduce the wage bill" gets you.
If you dont improve a team you will sink better to give it 6 months having a real go and then assess at the january window whether you need to sell off, than flog your assets to balance the books in the first six months of relegation. That is the real lesson here |
Except there's a clear flaw in that plan. If you assess in January and decide you're not likely to go back up despite keeping hold of the players and having a go it's not as simple as "flog the assets to balance the books" is it? Because those players now not only have a relegation on their CVs, but they're not pulling up any trees in a poor Championship team now either. So who's going to want them and how much will they pay?
I do love the amount of times somebody on here posts "well just flog them..." without remembering you have to find a buyer first. | | | |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 13:47 - Feb 20 with 368 views | baz_qpr |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 12:43 - Feb 20 by Northernr |
Except there's a clear flaw in that plan. If you assess in January and decide you're not likely to go back up despite keeping hold of the players and having a go it's not as simple as "flog the assets to balance the books" is it? Because those players now not only have a relegation on their CVs, but they're not pulling up any trees in a poor Championship team now either. So who's going to want them and how much will they pay?
I do love the amount of times somebody on here posts "well just flog them..." without remembering you have to find a buyer first. |
Disagree - History has shown that January gets you the most over inflated prices (Jordon Rhodes not included) it is far better if you can to an Adel or Samba, give me your all until January and lets see where we are, I honestly don't believe six months in the championship would effect selling prices. The point is and the one that people I think mistakenly keep suggesting is that you flog your best players on relegation and buy championship players. IMHO we strengthen not weaken, and history shows that those clubs that retain premiership quality players more often than not return fairly quickly and those that let their best players go and bring in cheaper unproven players whilst retaining their premiership crap sink | | | |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 14:05 - Feb 20 with 341 views | s1cRanger |
I made Bjorn Sigurdarson a hero in Fifa! He then handed in a transfer request and joined Real Madrid! |  | | |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 14:27 - Feb 20 with 303 views | daveB |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 23:29 - Feb 19 by HollowayRanger |
and thats where we will need him next season!
least being a QPR fan we know he will put in a shift |
if you want someone to score goals in the championship then DJ is your man for that, he'll always get goals at that level. I think he can get them in the prem as well around the right system |  | | |
| Wolves now in bottom 3 on 19:47 - Feb 20 with 206 views | derbyhoop |
If we do get relegated we're likely to lose Cesar, Adel and Remy whatever our plans might be. Players like DJ Campbell, Bothroyd and Hulse are out of contract and are unlikely to be offered another. What's left is, on this year's evidence, unlikely to pull up any trees in the Championship. If we are well organised and competitive we might be capable of finishing in the top half. But, without someone to provide that extra spark, we'll struggle to threaten the top 6, for the same reasons we've struggled this season - lack of goals.
Last time, it was Adel who gave us the extra edge. | |
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