| Lillis 17:12 - Nov 2 with 9949 views | macro |
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| Lillis on 19:31 - Nov 3 with 2466 views | dingdangblue |
| Lillis on 13:17 - Nov 3 by Mass_Debater |
They aren't in positions where their mistakes are as obvious. He needs a bit of competition. |
Although rarely seen in the same light , missing an open goal or a chance easier to score than miss could be viewed the same a a goalkeeper error which leads to a goal conceded. They both cost you a goal at the end of the day. |  |
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| Lillis on 21:04 - Nov 3 with 2380 views | 49thseason |
Looks to me as though Dicker lost his man for the first one. he was the only defender in the centre of the box with just one opponent to mark but he wasn't close enough to create a problem for him. |  | | |
| Lillis on 21:11 - Nov 3 with 2368 views | TVOS1907 |
It doesn't show it on there, but the ball found its way to Saint-Luce after Lillis had let a cross from the right slip out of his grasp.
But it's true Dicker should have cleared the ball. [Post edited 3 Nov 2013 21:19]
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| Lillis on 21:23 - Nov 3 with 2344 views | macro |
As said Lillis should have held the initial ball in. He holds it - no goal.
Yes dicker should have done better | | | |
| Lillis on 22:04 - Nov 3 with 2293 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
| Lillis on 21:23 - Nov 3 by macro |
As said Lillis should have held the initial ball in. He holds it - no goal.
Yes dicker should have done better |
It does n't make good viewing. |  | | |
| Lillis on 10:48 - Nov 4 with 2190 views | Mass_Debater |
| Lillis on 19:31 - Nov 3 by dingdangblue |
Although rarely seen in the same light , missing an open goal or a chance easier to score than miss could be viewed the same a a goalkeeper error which leads to a goal conceded. They both cost you a goal at the end of the day. |
Thanks for clearing it up. | | | |
| Lillis on 13:30 - Nov 4 with 2129 views | dingdangblue |
| Lillis on 10:48 - Nov 4 by Mass_Debater |
Thanks for clearing it up. |
Thanks for debating it. | |
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| Lillis on 10:58 - Nov 5 with 2009 views | RochdaleLeeds |
Idiots.... shows how much you know about Goalkeepers.
The weekends game was a shambles!
Cummins was awful, Rose was Lazy and was very lucky not to concede a penalty or two, Hendersons challenge that led to that freekick they scored from was a stupid challenge, Dicker (was he even playing? im not sure), Jack O'Connell didnt have his best game, Lund didnt play well...
I have not been to every game this season but quite a majority but you cant tell me we went into the game against wimbledon with a keeper who makes 'too many mistakes', because if you are theres no chance we would have been in the position we were.
Iv seen Lillis come on leaps and bounds this season, improved himself a lot and with the fantastic squad he has around him his confidence has shone through and being a goalkeeper coach I can tell it was improving massively.
But lets forget about the awful defending against Dag n Red that led to one or two goals.... lets forget about Lillis telling a certain defender to 'mark up' at the back post from the free kick that led to Wimbledons first goal, Lets just for a moment forget the other 10 players are perfect and never make mistakes and lets focus all our blame on Lillis for dropping the ball in very wet and windy conditions (which iv even seen premier league goalkeepers do) where we then concede. Yeah, I think thats a great idea...
However, on another note... to make a few changes and play our backup keeper in an FA Cup game would be a good idea as it will allow Hilly to see him play in a real competitive match which further could spur himself or Lillis on to reach higher standards and put each other under more pressure. |  | | |
| Lillis on 12:29 - Nov 5 with 1972 views | D_Alien |
| Lillis on 10:58 - Nov 5 by RochdaleLeeds |
Idiots.... shows how much you know about Goalkeepers.
The weekends game was a shambles!
Cummins was awful, Rose was Lazy and was very lucky not to concede a penalty or two, Hendersons challenge that led to that freekick they scored from was a stupid challenge, Dicker (was he even playing? im not sure), Jack O'Connell didnt have his best game, Lund didnt play well...
I have not been to every game this season but quite a majority but you cant tell me we went into the game against wimbledon with a keeper who makes 'too many mistakes', because if you are theres no chance we would have been in the position we were.
Iv seen Lillis come on leaps and bounds this season, improved himself a lot and with the fantastic squad he has around him his confidence has shone through and being a goalkeeper coach I can tell it was improving massively.
But lets forget about the awful defending against Dag n Red that led to one or two goals.... lets forget about Lillis telling a certain defender to 'mark up' at the back post from the free kick that led to Wimbledons first goal, Lets just for a moment forget the other 10 players are perfect and never make mistakes and lets focus all our blame on Lillis for dropping the ball in very wet and windy conditions (which iv even seen premier league goalkeepers do) where we then concede. Yeah, I think thats a great idea...
However, on another note... to make a few changes and play our backup keeper in an FA Cup game would be a good idea as it will allow Hilly to see him play in a real competitive match which further could spur himself or Lillis on to reach higher standards and put each other under more pressure. |
I doubt there's a single one of us who've posted on this thread who didn't realise all of that already... and couldn't give a f*ck that you may be a goalkeeping coach!
That doesn't stop us having valid opinions based on watching Lillis over a period of time, nor does it make us idiots - that just shows how much you know about us. |  |
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| Lillis on 18:05 - Nov 5 with 1877 views | nordenblue |
| Lillis on 10:58 - Nov 5 by RochdaleLeeds |
Idiots.... shows how much you know about Goalkeepers.
The weekends game was a shambles!
Cummins was awful, Rose was Lazy and was very lucky not to concede a penalty or two, Hendersons challenge that led to that freekick they scored from was a stupid challenge, Dicker (was he even playing? im not sure), Jack O'Connell didnt have his best game, Lund didnt play well...
I have not been to every game this season but quite a majority but you cant tell me we went into the game against wimbledon with a keeper who makes 'too many mistakes', because if you are theres no chance we would have been in the position we were.
Iv seen Lillis come on leaps and bounds this season, improved himself a lot and with the fantastic squad he has around him his confidence has shone through and being a goalkeeper coach I can tell it was improving massively.
But lets forget about the awful defending against Dag n Red that led to one or two goals.... lets forget about Lillis telling a certain defender to 'mark up' at the back post from the free kick that led to Wimbledons first goal, Lets just for a moment forget the other 10 players are perfect and never make mistakes and lets focus all our blame on Lillis for dropping the ball in very wet and windy conditions (which iv even seen premier league goalkeepers do) where we then concede. Yeah, I think thats a great idea...
However, on another note... to make a few changes and play our backup keeper in an FA Cup game would be a good idea as it will allow Hilly to see him play in a real competitive match which further could spur himself or Lillis on to reach higher standards and put each other under more pressure. |
Regardless of everyone around him Josh should be doing the bread and butter stuff every game,we had the same garbage when Holness constantly messed up and had an inability to pass 5 yards to a team mate all got blamed on not having a settled partner or unsure about the keeper behind him or poor tactics,the simple facts are keepers are expected to do several things routine week in week out and as much as he may have improved he's far from a Tommy Lee or a Tom Heaton,you knew when people beat keepers like Taffy it was a good finish the same cannot be said about Josh and many goals seem to just pass straight through him | | | |
| Lillis on 23:53 - Nov 5 with 1774 views | Brierls |
Have been thinking about this since Saturday...I'd be inclined to keep Lillis in the side for Saturday's game to give him a bit of a confidence boost and see how he reacts. Replacing the keeper is also more likely to unsettle the defence, which has been reasonably solid.
I've not been impressed with Lillis of late, and dropping what was a regulation catch leading to a goal wasn't his finest moment regardless of how poorly we dealt with it defensively. I've been just as alarmed by him being beaten at his near post a few times over the last few weeks. BUT...his form for the majority of the season has been good, and I think he deserves another crack at it.
I expect Thomson to start at Chesterfield in the JPT. I suspect he's already very close to a replacing Lillis, but a good show from Thomson and a less than convincing performance from Lillis may see us with a new #1 soon. |  | | |
| Lillis on 13:15 - Nov 6 with 1656 views | firgrovedale51 |
| Lillis on 23:53 - Nov 5 by Brierls |
Have been thinking about this since Saturday...I'd be inclined to keep Lillis in the side for Saturday's game to give him a bit of a confidence boost and see how he reacts. Replacing the keeper is also more likely to unsettle the defence, which has been reasonably solid.
I've not been impressed with Lillis of late, and dropping what was a regulation catch leading to a goal wasn't his finest moment regardless of how poorly we dealt with it defensively. I've been just as alarmed by him being beaten at his near post a few times over the last few weeks. BUT...his form for the majority of the season has been good, and I think he deserves another crack at it.
I expect Thomson to start at Chesterfield in the JPT. I suspect he's already very close to a replacing Lillis, but a good show from Thomson and a less than convincing performance from Lillis may see us with a new #1 soon. |
A good sensible post | | | |
| Lillis on 13:37 - Nov 6 with 1629 views | Daley_Lama |
Hilly was never shy of going into the loan market for a keeper first time round... |  |
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| Lillis on 15:52 - Nov 6 with 1573 views | nordenblue |
| Lillis on 23:53 - Nov 5 by Brierls |
Have been thinking about this since Saturday...I'd be inclined to keep Lillis in the side for Saturday's game to give him a bit of a confidence boost and see how he reacts. Replacing the keeper is also more likely to unsettle the defence, which has been reasonably solid.
I've not been impressed with Lillis of late, and dropping what was a regulation catch leading to a goal wasn't his finest moment regardless of how poorly we dealt with it defensively. I've been just as alarmed by him being beaten at his near post a few times over the last few weeks. BUT...his form for the majority of the season has been good, and I think he deserves another crack at it.
I expect Thomson to start at Chesterfield in the JPT. I suspect he's already very close to a replacing Lillis, but a good show from Thomson and a less than convincing performance from Lillis may see us with a new #1 soon. |
A defence that's conceded 7 in the last 3 games admittedly not all down to keeper errors,i admit im not Josh biggest fan and never have been i just never feel totally confident with him in net having seen some shockers by him over time im always anticipating his next mistake!! | | | |
| Lillis on 16:05 - Nov 6 with 1502 views | 442Dale |
| Lillis on 13:37 - Nov 6 by Daley_Lama |
Hilly was never shy of going into the loan market for a keeper first time round... |
Bristol City's bench agrees. |  |
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| Lillis on 17:36 - Nov 6 with 1457 views | trueblue83 |
| Lillis on 10:58 - Nov 5 by RochdaleLeeds |
Idiots.... shows how much you know about Goalkeepers.
The weekends game was a shambles!
Cummins was awful, Rose was Lazy and was very lucky not to concede a penalty or two, Hendersons challenge that led to that freekick they scored from was a stupid challenge, Dicker (was he even playing? im not sure), Jack O'Connell didnt have his best game, Lund didnt play well...
I have not been to every game this season but quite a majority but you cant tell me we went into the game against wimbledon with a keeper who makes 'too many mistakes', because if you are theres no chance we would have been in the position we were.
Iv seen Lillis come on leaps and bounds this season, improved himself a lot and with the fantastic squad he has around him his confidence has shone through and being a goalkeeper coach I can tell it was improving massively.
But lets forget about the awful defending against Dag n Red that led to one or two goals.... lets forget about Lillis telling a certain defender to 'mark up' at the back post from the free kick that led to Wimbledons first goal, Lets just for a moment forget the other 10 players are perfect and never make mistakes and lets focus all our blame on Lillis for dropping the ball in very wet and windy conditions (which iv even seen premier league goalkeepers do) where we then concede. Yeah, I think thats a great idea...
However, on another note... to make a few changes and play our backup keeper in an FA Cup game would be a good idea as it will allow Hilly to see him play in a real competitive match which further could spur himself or Lillis on to reach higher standards and put each other under more pressure. |
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| Lillis on 15:28 - Nov 7 with 1363 views | RochdaleLeeds |
| Lillis on 15:52 - Nov 6 by nordenblue |
A defence that's conceded 7 in the last 3 games admittedly not all down to keeper errors,i admit im not Josh biggest fan and never have been i just never feel totally confident with him in net having seen some shockers by him over time im always anticipating his next mistake!! |
But David Seaman was England & Arsenal no1 and made a large number of howlers...
Joe Hart is England and Manc City No1 & currently making a number of shocking mistakes...
Lillis is a good keeper but all keepers have mistakes in them and because they are the last line of defence no matter how big or small a mistake is it will always lead to a goal conceeded.
Lund missed an open net from a few yards out and people forget it, Chris O'grady missed an open net from 4 yards out at Bury in our promotion season and we lost that game but people saw it 'unlucky', see my point? | | | |
| Lillis on 15:35 - Nov 7 with 1347 views | D_Alien |
| Lillis on 15:28 - Nov 7 by RochdaleLeeds |
But David Seaman was England & Arsenal no1 and made a large number of howlers...
Joe Hart is England and Manc City No1 & currently making a number of shocking mistakes...
Lillis is a good keeper but all keepers have mistakes in them and because they are the last line of defence no matter how big or small a mistake is it will always lead to a goal conceeded.
Lund missed an open net from a few yards out and people forget it, Chris O'grady missed an open net from 4 yards out at Bury in our promotion season and we lost that game but people saw it 'unlucky', see my point? |
I think you'll find that Lund's miss has been covered in other threads, and COG's miss was covered at great length at the time on this forum.
No, we didn't -and aren't - calling for those players to be given greater competition (and that's all we ARE asking for with Lillis) since their overall performances have more than justified the praise given to them.
On the other hand, Lillis was starting to recover from a poor run of form.
See my point? [Post edited 7 Nov 2013 17:04]
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| Lillis on 15:49 - Nov 7 with 1329 views | Mass_Debater |
| Lillis on 15:28 - Nov 7 by RochdaleLeeds |
But David Seaman was England & Arsenal no1 and made a large number of howlers...
Joe Hart is England and Manc City No1 & currently making a number of shocking mistakes...
Lillis is a good keeper but all keepers have mistakes in them and because they are the last line of defence no matter how big or small a mistake is it will always lead to a goal conceeded.
Lund missed an open net from a few yards out and people forget it, Chris O'grady missed an open net from 4 yards out at Bury in our promotion season and we lost that game but people saw it 'unlucky', see my point? |
You've contradicted your point naming Hart, since he's not played in City's last two games. | | | |
| Lillis on 16:42 - Nov 7 with 1277 views | nordenblue |
| Lillis on 15:49 - Nov 7 by Mass_Debater |
You've contradicted your point naming Hart, since he's not played in City's last two games. |
That was too easy to reply to!!There's a tiny difference in the fact that both keepers used as examples played the game at the highest possible level so have obviously performed consistently to achieve such status,something there's no danger of Josh achieving | | | |
| Lillis on 17:04 - Nov 7 with 1249 views | dale_spotland |
| Lillis on 15:28 - Nov 7 by RochdaleLeeds |
But David Seaman was England & Arsenal no1 and made a large number of howlers...
Joe Hart is England and Manc City No1 & currently making a number of shocking mistakes...
Lillis is a good keeper but all keepers have mistakes in them and because they are the last line of defence no matter how big or small a mistake is it will always lead to a goal conceeded.
Lund missed an open net from a few yards out and people forget it, Chris O'grady missed an open net from 4 yards out at Bury in our promotion season and we lost that game but people saw it 'unlucky', see my point? |
You can't comment on COG's miss as you don't coach strikers. Logic. |  |
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| Lillis on 17:09 - Nov 7 with 1242 views | 442Dale |
When Seaman started making more mistakes at Arsenal they signed the highly-rated Richard Wright. After a few games he wasn't as highly-rated.
The really good goalkeepers have few mistakes in them, whatever level they're playing at - fellow players and fans can rely on them without even thinking about it. Martin Hodge was a great example at Dale; his reliability was never up for debate. | |
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| Lillis on 17:20 - Nov 7 with 1231 views | trueblue83 |
| Lillis on 15:28 - Nov 7 by RochdaleLeeds |
But David Seaman was England & Arsenal no1 and made a large number of howlers...
Joe Hart is England and Manc City No1 & currently making a number of shocking mistakes...
Lillis is a good keeper but all keepers have mistakes in them and because they are the last line of defence no matter how big or small a mistake is it will always lead to a goal conceeded.
Lund missed an open net from a few yards out and people forget it, Chris O'grady missed an open net from 4 yards out at Bury in our promotion season and we lost that game but people saw it 'unlucky', see my point? |
Spot on.
The key bit being: Lillis is a good keeper (I would add - at this level).
If we start throwing stones at Lillis, then I would suggest we are not very good supporters, as he has done very little wrong. He is 1/11th of what is a very good team performance so far this season.... End of. | |
| "You can compare us at the moment to a bit of soft porn - there is an awful lot of foreplay and not a lot going on in the box" - Sir Keith Hill |
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| Lillis on 17:30 - Nov 7 with 1223 views | 442Dale |
| Lillis on 17:20 - Nov 7 by trueblue83 |
Spot on.
The key bit being: Lillis is a good keeper (I would add - at this level).
If we start throwing stones at Lillis, then I would suggest we are not very good supporters, as he has done very little wrong. He is 1/11th of what is a very good team performance so far this season.... End of. |
Lillis has had a good start to the season but fans are only highlighting mistakes, the same sort of thing Keith Hill did in his interview. Of course he rightly did not name individual players and others made errors leading to the goals on Saturday.
Nothing wrong with debating individual roles and players on here, eg. Lillis has made a couple in the last two home games (Northampton's second being the other) On both occasions other players could have done better, but so should he. The best thing would be if he eradicated the errors, but a time will come when he'll be left out if he doesn't. That's Hill decision, let's see when it is. | |
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