| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby 15:29 - Oct 18 with 4408 views | Nigeriamark |
Other than NZ, I thought North & South would be about even. Some bad luck with injuries, but even so there seems to be a real gulf developing again ( Scotland may prove me wrong). Enjoyed watching Argentina today who have come on more by being in the championship than Italy have being in the 6 nations |  | | |  |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 15:44 - Oct 18 with 2848 views | mingthemerciless |
Yep I was impressed with Argentina. The way the played in the first 20 minutes it looked like they were playing a different game to England completely. |  | | |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 16:28 - Oct 18 with 2828 views | aleanddale |
Scotland had a cracking first 25 minutes v Australia.
Well done Argentina. They look like they enjoy playing the game we could learn a lesson or two about how they play what's in front of them and not the occasion or the reputation. | | | |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 16:45 - Oct 18 with 2797 views | mingthemerciless |
Scotland are giving it a real go. Both of todays games have exposed the poverty of the England team's play. | | | |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 17:48 - Oct 18 with 2743 views | mingthemerciless |
Aussies rode their luck in that match. Gallant effort from Scotland. I've got a sneaky feeling Argentina might beat Australia in the semi. | | | |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 17:57 - Oct 18 with 2729 views | pioneer |
argentina made the semi finals 8 years ago before they were admitted to the rugby championship, in fact it was that performance that led to them pushing for inclusion in the RC. | | | |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 18:01 - Oct 18 with 2715 views | BFC |
Joubert is a top top referee .... But the TMO and him made a huge mistake with the deliberate knock on for me? | | | |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 18:24 - Oct 18 with 2670 views | BartRowou |
Bet they're gutted in Suriname. |  |
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| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 22:13 - Oct 18 with 2538 views | mingthemerciless |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 18:24 - Oct 18 by BartRowou |
Bet they're gutted in Suriname. |
You'll have to explain that one. | | | |
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| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 23:06 - Oct 18 with 2496 views | D_Alien |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 16:45 - Oct 18 by mingthemerciless |
Scotland are giving it a real go. Both of todays games have exposed the poverty of the England team's play. |
We've got the talent, we've got the infrastructure, we've got the crowds.
We've also got totally shit administrators who've somehow managed to waste all of the above and don't want to have a coach in charge of the team who'll challenge them, so they appoint someone who got his club side relegated.
Complete tossers, and you can bet they'll make a bollocks of the forthcoming "review". |  |
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| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 23:17 - Oct 18 with 2474 views | mingthemerciless |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 23:06 - Oct 18 by D_Alien |
We've got the talent, we've got the infrastructure, we've got the crowds.
We've also got totally shit administrators who've somehow managed to waste all of the above and don't want to have a coach in charge of the team who'll challenge them, so they appoint someone who got his club side relegated.
Complete tossers, and you can bet they'll make a bollocks of the forthcoming "review". |
They're like the football team. Other nations seem to grow when they pull on the national team shirt. Our players seem to shrink. We can beat teams in the preliminary games but minute the pressure is on we fold. | | | |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 04:39 - Oct 19 with 2426 views | Albert_Whitehurst |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 18:01 - Oct 18 by BFC |
Joubert is a top top referee .... But the TMO and him made a huge mistake with the deliberate knock on for me? |
By the letter of the law and the current trend of penalising, it was a deliberate knock down. If Maitland was to be sin binned to within an inch of the law then you've got to look at other areas Joubert missed. (While Maitland was off the pitch Aus scored 10 points to Scotland's 3)
Sio collapsing the scrum four times! Mitchell took out Hogg. Both equally punishable, both went unpunished.
At the death, Phipps knocked the ball on, as shown by the replays...(the TMO would have confirmed this if Joubert cared to refer...not that he has to...but why risk a wrong decision?). Penalty was awarded to Australia for accidental offside and Foley slots home the points. This passage of play wouldn't have got that far if the Hogg penalty was awarded.
Current reports say Joubert has just made it across the Channel without breaking his stride after running off in disgrace.
Desperately unlucky for the Scotland after an immense performance, unlike their soccer counterparts who are just desperate! |  | | |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 04:40 - Oct 19 with 2425 views | Albert_Whitehurst |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 17:48 - Oct 18 by mingthemerciless |
Aussies rode their luck in that match. Gallant effort from Scotland. I've got a sneaky feeling Argentina might beat Australia in the semi. |
Argentina were outstanding! They've put Ireland out of the tournament three times now...but I didn't expect what we saw yesterday. | | | |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 07:11 - Oct 19 with 2400 views | aleanddale |
Fantastic effort from Scotland...
Desperately unlucky... Should be in the semis.
Agree I think the Pumas could be mauling the wallabies this weekend! [Post edited 19 Oct 2015 12:31]
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| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 08:39 - Oct 19 with 2370 views | fermin |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 04:39 - Oct 19 by Albert_Whitehurst |
By the letter of the law and the current trend of penalising, it was a deliberate knock down. If Maitland was to be sin binned to within an inch of the law then you've got to look at other areas Joubert missed. (While Maitland was off the pitch Aus scored 10 points to Scotland's 3)
Sio collapsing the scrum four times! Mitchell took out Hogg. Both equally punishable, both went unpunished.
At the death, Phipps knocked the ball on, as shown by the replays...(the TMO would have confirmed this if Joubert cared to refer...not that he has to...but why risk a wrong decision?). Penalty was awarded to Australia for accidental offside and Foley slots home the points. This passage of play wouldn't have got that far if the Hogg penalty was awarded.
Current reports say Joubert has just made it across the Channel without breaking his stride after running off in disgrace.
Desperately unlucky for the Scotland after an immense performance, unlike their soccer counterparts who are just desperate! |
I'm far from an expert on rugby laws, but based on what I have read the penalty was for deliberate offside. If it had been accidental offside then Australia would have had a scrum. I also think the ref can't refer such incidents to the TMO. To a certain extent Scotland brought it on themselves by not doing the lineout properly - I half-expected it really in the same way as I half-expected Sheffield Utd's third goal after we equalised. It was very disappointing certainly.
While I think the southern hemisphere sides are better on the whole I think the gap is not as great as suggested. Both Wales and Ireland were decimated by injuries - Wales were still very close to S Africa and Ireland (despite the bad start) lost to two lateish tries, though I agree Argentina were very good and deserved the win. Scotland were also close, even though all of their tries came from bad Australian mistakes. France were pretty desperate against NZ.
Again, purely based on what I have heard or read as I do not follow the game that closely, England have the players but they pick the wrong ones. Apparently they used to be quite expansive and attacking but they decided to change their centres recently which apparently made quite a difference. |  | | |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 08:57 - Oct 19 with 2360 views | Albert_Whitehurst |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 08:39 - Oct 19 by fermin |
I'm far from an expert on rugby laws, but based on what I have read the penalty was for deliberate offside. If it had been accidental offside then Australia would have had a scrum. I also think the ref can't refer such incidents to the TMO. To a certain extent Scotland brought it on themselves by not doing the lineout properly - I half-expected it really in the same way as I half-expected Sheffield Utd's third goal after we equalised. It was very disappointing certainly.
While I think the southern hemisphere sides are better on the whole I think the gap is not as great as suggested. Both Wales and Ireland were decimated by injuries - Wales were still very close to S Africa and Ireland (despite the bad start) lost to two lateish tries, though I agree Argentina were very good and deserved the win. Scotland were also close, even though all of their tries came from bad Australian mistakes. France were pretty desperate against NZ.
Again, purely based on what I have heard or read as I do not follow the game that closely, England have the players but they pick the wrong ones. Apparently they used to be quite expansive and attacking but they decided to change their centres recently which apparently made quite a difference. |
Had Joubert awarded a penalty for the late challenge on Hogg we wouldnt have had the same lineout in that part of the pitch.
Awarded for deliberate I meant, you're right. It should have been accidental offside and a scrum. Phipps knocked it forward. The ref can refer to the TMO if he so chooses.
All immaterial now i know. There may still be a fallout from this if anyone catches up with Forrest Gump Joubert on his cross country run. [Post edited 19 Oct 2015 9:03]
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| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 09:32 - Oct 19 with 2332 views | Nigeriamark |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 17:57 - Oct 18 by pioneer |
argentina made the semi finals 8 years ago before they were admitted to the rugby championship, in fact it was that performance that led to them pushing for inclusion in the RC. |
Yes but 8 years ago they were a bit of a surprise package who overachieved in 4th place. This time they genuinely look a class team who will give the aussies a game if they can hold their discipline. I reckon if they played the 6 nations teams they could easily come second or 3rd at this stage | | | |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 09:37 - Oct 19 with 2326 views | deezel |
Apparently incidents such as the decision at the end of the game aren't covered by TMO REFERRAL!
The TMO can only be called on for try or violent conduct incidents
Run of the mill matters such as collapsed scrums, line out offences, knock-ons etc in general play are called live by the ref and his touch judge
Perhaps the scope of TMO Referral needs extending? | | | |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 09:51 - Oct 19 with 2317 views | Albert_Whitehurst |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 09:37 - Oct 19 by deezel |
Apparently incidents such as the decision at the end of the game aren't covered by TMO REFERRAL!
The TMO can only be called on for try or violent conduct incidents
Run of the mill matters such as collapsed scrums, line out offences, knock-ons etc in general play are called live by the ref and his touch judge
Perhaps the scope of TMO Referral needs extending? |
Referees have been discussing incidents with the TMOs while play has been continuing throughout the tournament. It might not be standard protocol but he has the option to ask if needed. | | | |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 10:21 - Oct 19 with 2304 views | Nigeriamark |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 09:51 - Oct 19 by Albert_Whitehurst |
Referees have been discussing incidents with the TMOs while play has been continuing throughout the tournament. It might not be standard protocol but he has the option to ask if needed. |
Its about getting the big calls right especially in the big televised matches. I am if he had asked for an opinion even if strictly he shouldn't have, he would have been applauded because the right decision at a crucial stage would have been made | | | |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 11:39 - Oct 19 with 2261 views | dingdangblue |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 10:21 - Oct 19 by Nigeriamark |
Its about getting the big calls right especially in the big televised matches. I am if he had asked for an opinion even if strictly he shouldn't have, he would have been applauded because the right decision at a crucial stage would have been made |
Funny how the Aussies seem to benefit, very harsh penalty at such a critical moment. Just like against England in 2003 when the bent ref imagined a scrum penalty against England when we were 1 min from winning the World Cup - even now with tv replays at their disposal the officials make a wrong call. |  |
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| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 13:43 - Oct 19 with 2210 views | watford_dale |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 23:06 - Oct 18 by D_Alien |
We've got the talent, we've got the infrastructure, we've got the crowds.
We've also got totally shit administrators who've somehow managed to waste all of the above and don't want to have a coach in charge of the team who'll challenge them, so they appoint someone who got his club side relegated.
Complete tossers, and you can bet they'll make a bollocks of the forthcoming "review". |
I agree we have the infrastructure and crowds but talent? Our front row was all at sea, couldn't manage a decent line out, which will happen when you ban the only guy who can throw a ball (Hartley) for the tournament when it should only have been the Fiji game. Isn't the job of a manager to get the best out of his players and therefore that should be managed.
Second point, they ignored the emphasis that is placed on a specialist number 7 and picked Robshaw and not the best payer in Europe (Armitage, a world cup year is special circs).
Fly half, Farrell doesn't have any vision but, unlike his dad, can kick when it matters but distribution and vision let him down.
Centres, how many combo's can we have in one set of pool games. Burgess is a banger, no skill, guile nor finesse of a Slade and Joseph only got in, and thank god, on the basis of injuries to other players.
Coaching, Lancaster is a very good administrator and no doubt has left behind a fantastic trail of processes in place but as a coach, he is poor. He is not a canny coach like Jake White or Warren Gatland. Reason that Ireland won last 2 6 nations - Joe Schmidt. Wouldn't bet against England making a move for Gatland.
And finally, Farrell senior. Why on earth does he think and those in charge think he is an international class backs coach???? He should be in charge of the backs of a premiership side and the only chance he should be near the national team is at a sponsors event or as a paying member of the public.
£5m spent on the team with no return. | | | |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 14:48 - Oct 19 with 2171 views | D_Alien |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 13:43 - Oct 19 by watford_dale |
I agree we have the infrastructure and crowds but talent? Our front row was all at sea, couldn't manage a decent line out, which will happen when you ban the only guy who can throw a ball (Hartley) for the tournament when it should only have been the Fiji game. Isn't the job of a manager to get the best out of his players and therefore that should be managed.
Second point, they ignored the emphasis that is placed on a specialist number 7 and picked Robshaw and not the best payer in Europe (Armitage, a world cup year is special circs).
Fly half, Farrell doesn't have any vision but, unlike his dad, can kick when it matters but distribution and vision let him down.
Centres, how many combo's can we have in one set of pool games. Burgess is a banger, no skill, guile nor finesse of a Slade and Joseph only got in, and thank god, on the basis of injuries to other players.
Coaching, Lancaster is a very good administrator and no doubt has left behind a fantastic trail of processes in place but as a coach, he is poor. He is not a canny coach like Jake White or Warren Gatland. Reason that Ireland won last 2 6 nations - Joe Schmidt. Wouldn't bet against England making a move for Gatland.
And finally, Farrell senior. Why on earth does he think and those in charge think he is an international class backs coach???? He should be in charge of the backs of a premiership side and the only chance he should be near the national team is at a sponsors event or as a paying member of the public.
£5m spent on the team with no return. |
The talent was conspicuous by it's absence from the squad, for varying reasons but mainly down to the shit administrators I've alluded to and the obduracy of the coach they appointed. | |
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| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 16:54 - Oct 19 with 2110 views | mingthemerciless |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 08:39 - Oct 19 by fermin |
I'm far from an expert on rugby laws, but based on what I have read the penalty was for deliberate offside. If it had been accidental offside then Australia would have had a scrum. I also think the ref can't refer such incidents to the TMO. To a certain extent Scotland brought it on themselves by not doing the lineout properly - I half-expected it really in the same way as I half-expected Sheffield Utd's third goal after we equalised. It was very disappointing certainly.
While I think the southern hemisphere sides are better on the whole I think the gap is not as great as suggested. Both Wales and Ireland were decimated by injuries - Wales were still very close to S Africa and Ireland (despite the bad start) lost to two lateish tries, though I agree Argentina were very good and deserved the win. Scotland were also close, even though all of their tries came from bad Australian mistakes. France were pretty desperate against NZ.
Again, purely based on what I have heard or read as I do not follow the game that closely, England have the players but they pick the wrong ones. Apparently they used to be quite expansive and attacking but they decided to change their centres recently which apparently made quite a difference. |
I'm not an expert on Rugby Union rules either but as I understand it - If the ball would have struck the Scots player in an off side position, that would have been accidental off side. Actually catching the ball in an off side position made it deliberate off side. The Scot's player should have just left the ball alone. | | | |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 19:28 - Oct 19 with 2080 views | BartRowou |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 22:13 - Oct 18 by mingthemerciless |
You'll have to explain that one. |
It's in the Northern hemisphere and they're not happy. | |
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| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 07:45 - Oct 20 with 2010 views | Albert_Whitehurst |
| Northern v Southern Hemisphere rugby on 16:54 - Oct 19 by mingthemerciless |
I'm not an expert on Rugby Union rules either but as I understand it - If the ball would have struck the Scots player in an off side position, that would have been accidental off side. Actually catching the ball in an off side position made it deliberate off side. The Scot's player should have just left the ball alone. |
If Welsh had touched the ball without interference from an opposing player it would have been deliberate and a long arm penalty. As Phipps was the player who touched the ball first that then hit a player in an offside position it is deemed accidental against the Scottish player. Scrum Australia.
The IRB/World Rugby have now said Joubert was wrong to award the penalty he did. Not that it makes a jot of difference now! | | | |
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