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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK 23:28 - Nov 10 with 953801 viewspikeypaul



And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:18 - Apr 12 with 1003 viewswestwalesed

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:16 - Apr 12 by londonlisa2001

I see the brexit party is launching its crusade against the ‘elites’ by announcing that the first candidates to represent the hopes of the ordinary working people of this country are Annunziata Rees-Mogg and Ben Habib.

Hahahahahahahaha.


As well as a load of other people who are from more normal backgrounds too. Are people from very wealthy backgrounds not allowed to run on whatever ticket they like?

Tony Blair went to one of the most prestigious private schools in the land and he was nominally a Socialist.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:30 - Apr 12 with 993 viewschad

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:38 - Apr 12 by londonlisa2001

Aye, you asked because you thought you knew the answer and didn’t realise they were in the customs union.

Tell us how you solve the border conundrum without customs union. And that doesn’t even solve the people and services aspect.


No Lisa, I am no liar. If I had known the answer, then don’t you think I would have also known they were in the customs union.

I hoped it could be a useful discussion, so hoped I could ask a an innocent question that may be relevant to the border issue without getting torn apart and turning it into an us and them spiteful argument. Silly me.

I just knew it was not listed as a member on the EU website, but it is obviously affiliated

So looking at potential work around for the border is what I was trying to think of

So solutions ...
Southern Ireland leave EU
Hard border in Ireland
Hard border between NI and GB - would not satisfy EU

Not so good

Then there is no solution but customs union? Surely not that would hopefully be what a debate would be about that would explore the options.

You expect me to deliver that solution or imply there isn’t one, well I am not bad at problem solving as it goes give me full access to all the relevant data and negotiation power fully backed by parliament and I will see what I can do by Halloween.

But nothing is impossible

This organisation was set up to keep peace in Europe, trade was just the mechanism to do that. It’s bloated power, tight control and internal factions becomes a concern. If we cannot escape from it we might as well just become the US of E. Sometimes over complex best intentions can cause the very thing they intended to avoid.

One thing for sure Vetos are not immune to the will and political power of the rest of the club.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:28 - Apr 12 with 933 viewslonglostjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:30 - Apr 12 by chad

No Lisa, I am no liar. If I had known the answer, then don’t you think I would have also known they were in the customs union.

I hoped it could be a useful discussion, so hoped I could ask a an innocent question that may be relevant to the border issue without getting torn apart and turning it into an us and them spiteful argument. Silly me.

I just knew it was not listed as a member on the EU website, but it is obviously affiliated

So looking at potential work around for the border is what I was trying to think of

So solutions ...
Southern Ireland leave EU
Hard border in Ireland
Hard border between NI and GB - would not satisfy EU

Not so good

Then there is no solution but customs union? Surely not that would hopefully be what a debate would be about that would explore the options.

You expect me to deliver that solution or imply there isn’t one, well I am not bad at problem solving as it goes give me full access to all the relevant data and negotiation power fully backed by parliament and I will see what I can do by Halloween.

But nothing is impossible

This organisation was set up to keep peace in Europe, trade was just the mechanism to do that. It’s bloated power, tight control and internal factions becomes a concern. If we cannot escape from it we might as well just become the US of E. Sometimes over complex best intentions can cause the very thing they intended to avoid.

One thing for sure Vetos are not immune to the will and political power of the rest of the club.


Serious question and I’m not trying to be funny but in what ways has the EU impacted negatively on your life?

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:09 - Apr 12 with 846 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:28 - Apr 12 by longlostjack

Serious question and I’m not trying to be funny but in what ways has the EU impacted negatively on your life?


Lousy exchange rate when she went on holiday to the Isle of Man.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:37 - Apr 12 with 836 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:18 - Apr 12 by westwalesed

As well as a load of other people who are from more normal backgrounds too. Are people from very wealthy backgrounds not allowed to run on whatever ticket they like?

Tony Blair went to one of the most prestigious private schools in the land and he was nominally a Socialist.


People can of course run on any ticket they like.

Other than running on a ticket of being ‘anti elites’ when their ‘flagship candidates’ are Annunziata Rees Mogg, Ben Habib and Nigel Farage and their Chairman is Richard Tice.

That makes them a bunch of hypocritical tosspots.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:42 - Apr 12 with 825 viewsbluey_the_blue

As are Labour and any other party that can be mentioned.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:10 - Apr 12 with 797 viewswestwalesed

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:37 - Apr 12 by londonlisa2001

People can of course run on any ticket they like.

Other than running on a ticket of being ‘anti elites’ when their ‘flagship candidates’ are Annunziata Rees Mogg, Ben Habib and Nigel Farage and their Chairman is Richard Tice.

That makes them a bunch of hypocritical tosspots.
[Post edited 12 Apr 18:41]


Anti political elite is what they are running on. Not anti the elite, whatever that is nowadays.

It’s perectly possible to be posh and anti-establishment, just as it’s possible to be working class and pro the establishment. This is the exact reason why Conservatives win elections because they had enough working class people voting for a supposedly posh people’s party. And it’s why Labour wins elections because they have enough middle/upper class swing voters on their side.

Your argument is completely illogical.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:22 - Apr 12 with 782 viewswaynekerr55

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:10 - Apr 12 by westwalesed

Anti political elite is what they are running on. Not anti the elite, whatever that is nowadays.

It’s perectly possible to be posh and anti-establishment, just as it’s possible to be working class and pro the establishment. This is the exact reason why Conservatives win elections because they had enough working class people voting for a supposedly posh people’s party. And it’s why Labour wins elections because they have enough middle/upper class swing voters on their side.

Your argument is completely illogical.


It's as far from illogical as humanly possible. Disaster capitalists claiming the neo liberal class are out to get them

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:28 - Apr 12 with 775 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:10 - Apr 12 by westwalesed

Anti political elite is what they are running on. Not anti the elite, whatever that is nowadays.

It’s perectly possible to be posh and anti-establishment, just as it’s possible to be working class and pro the establishment. This is the exact reason why Conservatives win elections because they had enough working class people voting for a supposedly posh people’s party. And it’s why Labour wins elections because they have enough middle/upper class swing voters on their side.

Your argument is completely illogical.


Seriously. If you believe Farage, Rees Mogg etc are not the ‘establishment’ or the ‘political elite’ there’s no hope whatsoever.

I give up.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:55 - Apr 12 with 744 viewswestwalesed

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:28 - Apr 12 by londonlisa2001

Seriously. If you believe Farage, Rees Mogg etc are not the ‘establishment’ or the ‘political elite’ there’s no hope whatsoever.

I give up.


I didn’t say they’re not the establishment, they clearly are. I’m saying that despite their background they can be anti an out of touch political elite.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:15 - Apr 12 with 731 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:55 - Apr 12 by westwalesed

I didn’t say they’re not the establishment, they clearly are. I’m saying that despite their background they can be anti an out of touch political elite.


They say they’re anti establishment mun. They’ve been tweeting about it all day.

That’s what makes them complete hypocrites.

I’m not sure how you could get more political elite than Farage either. Or Annunziata. She’s total political elite. Just crap at it as she keeps losing elections.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:20 - Apr 12 with 722 viewswestwalesed

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:15 - Apr 12 by londonlisa2001

They say they’re anti establishment mun. They’ve been tweeting about it all day.

That’s what makes them complete hypocrites.

I’m not sure how you could get more political elite than Farage either. Or Annunziata. She’s total political elite. Just crap at it as she keeps losing elections.


So what you’re saying is that she’s aristocracy and therefore her views should be seen as hypocritical? The fact is nobody has any notion of what her views are. She may genuinely feel that the political elite or the establishment or whatever we want to call it is out of touch.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:36 - Apr 12 with 710 viewsJack_Meoff

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:18 - Apr 12 by westwalesed

As well as a load of other people who are from more normal backgrounds too. Are people from very wealthy backgrounds not allowed to run on whatever ticket they like?

Tony Blair went to one of the most prestigious private schools in the land and he was nominally a Socialist.


' Nominally a Socialist.'

Almost like he was groomed for the role eh ed?

If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:38 - Apr 12 with 710 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:20 - Apr 12 by westwalesed

So what you’re saying is that she’s aristocracy and therefore her views should be seen as hypocritical? The fact is nobody has any notion of what her views are. She may genuinely feel that the political elite or the establishment or whatever we want to call it is out of touch.


No.

I’m saying she’s part of the establishment and an elite (both political and general) and therefore standing as a ‘stance against the establishment’ makes her a complete hypocrite. She makes her living from her establishment contacts and credentials. She hasn’t dismissed them, removed herself from them. She lives off them.

It’s not difficult.

OTh, and everyone knows what her views are since she’s stood as a candidate several times (once in Aberavon) and has told everyone what they are.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:43 - Apr 12 with 699 viewswestwalesed

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:38 - Apr 12 by londonlisa2001

No.

I’m saying she’s part of the establishment and an elite (both political and general) and therefore standing as a ‘stance against the establishment’ makes her a complete hypocrite. She makes her living from her establishment contacts and credentials. She hasn’t dismissed them, removed herself from them. She lives off them.

It’s not difficult.

OTh, and everyone knows what her views are since she’s stood as a candidate several times (once in Aberavon) and has told everyone what they are.


There’s no reason to resort to patronising claptrap like “it’s not difficult”.

I’m saying that you don’t know what her views are. Nobody REALLY does. At least I acknowledge that. Perhaps she’s genuinely concerned that the result of a legitimate referendum is being overturned by THE political elite of which she is not a part, having never been elected to anything in her life.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:43 - Apr 12 with 695 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:20 - Apr 12 by westwalesed

So what you’re saying is that she’s aristocracy and therefore her views should be seen as hypocritical? The fact is nobody has any notion of what her views are. She may genuinely feel that the political elite or the establishment or whatever we want to call it is out of touch.


“nobody has any notion of what her views are”

Go on, Eddie baby, take a run at it. 😂😂😂

Not quite as thick as Jango - but fûcking close!
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:50 - Apr 12 with 684 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:43 - Apr 12 by westwalesed

There’s no reason to resort to patronising claptrap like “it’s not difficult”.

I’m saying that you don’t know what her views are. Nobody REALLY does. At least I acknowledge that. Perhaps she’s genuinely concerned that the result of a legitimate referendum is being overturned by THE political elite of which she is not a part, having never been elected to anything in her life.


She has stood for office on several occasions, and has been active in the Conservative party her entire life. She’s been an active anti EU campaigner since her early twenties. She’s employed by the Telegraph, MoneyWeek and she edits a magazine owned by Bill Cash.

She hasn’t been elected because she’s incompetent, not because she’s anti establishment.

But, you know, she definitely stands for you. Definitely.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:57 - Apr 12 with 673 viewsexiledclaseboy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:43 - Apr 12 by westwalesed

There’s no reason to resort to patronising claptrap like “it’s not difficult”.

I’m saying that you don’t know what her views are. Nobody REALLY does. At least I acknowledge that. Perhaps she’s genuinely concerned that the result of a legitimate referendum is being overturned by THE political elite of which she is not a part, having never been elected to anything in her life.


I’m willing to take an educated punt at what her views are.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:18 - Apr 12 with 647 viewswestwalesed

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:50 - Apr 12 by londonlisa2001

She has stood for office on several occasions, and has been active in the Conservative party her entire life. She’s been an active anti EU campaigner since her early twenties. She’s employed by the Telegraph, MoneyWeek and she edits a magazine owned by Bill Cash.

She hasn’t been elected because she’s incompetent, not because she’s anti establishment.

But, you know, she definitely stands for you. Definitely.


She’s so establishment that she’s part of a movement which is literally trying to rip up the status quo?

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:22 - Apr 12 with 638 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:18 - Apr 12 by westwalesed

She’s so establishment that she’s part of a movement which is literally trying to rip up the status quo?


You can’t literally rip up the status quo, Ed - it’s not made of paper.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:42 - Apr 12 with 624 viewsGowerjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:22 - Apr 12 by WarwickHunt

You can’t literally rip up the status quo, Ed - it’s not made of paper.





Ghastly band mind...

Plastic since 1974
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:56 - Apr 12 with 595 viewsbluey_the_blue

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Ghastly band mind...


Bloody great band, better than all that European crap*.

* Except Lordi**.

** And Scorpions***.

*** And Helloween****.

**** And Europe*****.

***** That's the band not the continent.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 22:04 - Apr 12 with 585 viewsKilkennyjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:18 - Apr 12 by westwalesed

She’s so establishment that she’s part of a movement which is literally trying to rip up the status quo?


Let me help ....

Stinking rich Tory types give not a single feck about west wales.
Shirley you can see that ?

You are being used so they can avoid the new EU tax

Its all about money, not poor hardworking immigrants.
Taking back control - what a fecking joke !

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 22:16 - Apr 12 with 564 viewsmonmouth

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:43 - Apr 12 by westwalesed

There’s no reason to resort to patronising claptrap like “it’s not difficult”.

I’m saying that you don’t know what her views are. Nobody REALLY does. At least I acknowledge that. Perhaps she’s genuinely concerned that the result of a legitimate referendum is being overturned by THE political elite of which she is not a part, having never been elected to anything in her life.


Then again perhaps she’s just a self obsessed attention seeking posh c*nt, jealous of her preposterous limp w*nker of a brother?

Long shot I know.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 22:18 - Apr 12 with 556 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:18 - Apr 12 by westwalesed

She’s so establishment that she’s part of a movement which is literally trying to rip up the status quo?


Nope, she’s so establishment that she’s part of a movement which is trying to prevent the implementation of a stringent new tax regime that has just been introduced by the EU. 3 days after we were supposed to leave.

Who would have thought?

In unrelated news, her brother has made £103m within his company and paid NO TAX.

Have you been asleep?
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