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OUT WITH A DEAL EATING OUR CAKE AND LOVING IT suck it up remoaners
And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.
It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.
The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.
Happy Days.
[Post edited 1 Jan 2021 14:13]
OUT AFLI SUCK IT UP REMOANER LOSERS
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:16 - Apr 12 by londonlisa2001
I see the brexit party is launching its crusade against the ‘elites’ by announcing that the first candidates to represent the hopes of the ordinary working people of this country are Annunziata Rees-Mogg and Ben Habib.
Hahahahahahahaha.
As well as a load of other people who are from more normal backgrounds too. Are people from very wealthy backgrounds not allowed to run on whatever ticket they like?
Tony Blair went to one of the most prestigious private schools in the land and he was nominally a Socialist.
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:38 - Apr 12 by londonlisa2001
Aye, you asked because you thought you knew the answer and didn’t realise they were in the customs union.
Tell us how you solve the border conundrum without customs union. And that doesn’t even solve the people and services aspect.
No Lisa, I am no liar. If I had known the answer, then don’t you think I would have also known they were in the customs union.
I hoped it could be a useful discussion, so hoped I could ask a an innocent question that may be relevant to the border issue without getting torn apart and turning it into an us and them spiteful argument. Silly me.
I just knew it was not listed as a member on the EU website, but it is obviously affiliated
So looking at potential work around for the border is what I was trying to think of
So solutions ... Southern Ireland leave EU Hard border in Ireland Hard border between NI and GB - would not satisfy EU
Not so good
Then there is no solution but customs union? Surely not that would hopefully be what a debate would be about that would explore the options.
You expect me to deliver that solution or imply there isn’t one, well I am not bad at problem solving as it goes give me full access to all the relevant data and negotiation power fully backed by parliament and I will see what I can do by Halloween.
But nothing is impossible
This organisation was set up to keep peace in Europe, trade was just the mechanism to do that. It’s bloated power, tight control and internal factions becomes a concern. If we cannot escape from it we might as well just become the US of E. Sometimes over complex best intentions can cause the very thing they intended to avoid.
One thing for sure Vetos are not immune to the will and political power of the rest of the club.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:28 - Apr 12 with 2052 views
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:30 - Apr 12 by chad
No Lisa, I am no liar. If I had known the answer, then don’t you think I would have also known they were in the customs union.
I hoped it could be a useful discussion, so hoped I could ask a an innocent question that may be relevant to the border issue without getting torn apart and turning it into an us and them spiteful argument. Silly me.
I just knew it was not listed as a member on the EU website, but it is obviously affiliated
So looking at potential work around for the border is what I was trying to think of
So solutions ... Southern Ireland leave EU Hard border in Ireland Hard border between NI and GB - would not satisfy EU
Not so good
Then there is no solution but customs union? Surely not that would hopefully be what a debate would be about that would explore the options.
You expect me to deliver that solution or imply there isn’t one, well I am not bad at problem solving as it goes give me full access to all the relevant data and negotiation power fully backed by parliament and I will see what I can do by Halloween.
But nothing is impossible
This organisation was set up to keep peace in Europe, trade was just the mechanism to do that. It’s bloated power, tight control and internal factions becomes a concern. If we cannot escape from it we might as well just become the US of E. Sometimes over complex best intentions can cause the very thing they intended to avoid.
One thing for sure Vetos are not immune to the will and political power of the rest of the club.
Serious question and I’m not trying to be funny but in what ways has the EU impacted negatively on your life?
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:18 - Apr 12 by westwalesed
As well as a load of other people who are from more normal backgrounds too. Are people from very wealthy backgrounds not allowed to run on whatever ticket they like?
Tony Blair went to one of the most prestigious private schools in the land and he was nominally a Socialist.
People can of course run on any ticket they like.
Other than running on a ticket of being ‘anti elites’ when their ‘flagship candidates’ are Annunziata Rees Mogg, Ben Habib and Nigel Farage and their Chairman is Richard Tice.
That makes them a bunch of hypocritical tosspots.
[Post edited 12 Apr 2019 18:41]
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:42 - Apr 12 with 1944 views
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:37 - Apr 12 by londonlisa2001
People can of course run on any ticket they like.
Other than running on a ticket of being ‘anti elites’ when their ‘flagship candidates’ are Annunziata Rees Mogg, Ben Habib and Nigel Farage and their Chairman is Richard Tice.
That makes them a bunch of hypocritical tosspots.
[Post edited 12 Apr 2019 18:41]
Anti political elite is what they are running on. Not anti the elite, whatever that is nowadays.
It’s perectly possible to be posh and anti-establishment, just as it’s possible to be working class and pro the establishment. This is the exact reason why Conservatives win elections because they had enough working class people voting for a supposedly posh people’s party. And it’s why Labour wins elections because they have enough middle/upper class swing voters on their side.
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:10 - Apr 12 by westwalesed
Anti political elite is what they are running on. Not anti the elite, whatever that is nowadays.
It’s perectly possible to be posh and anti-establishment, just as it’s possible to be working class and pro the establishment. This is the exact reason why Conservatives win elections because they had enough working class people voting for a supposedly posh people’s party. And it’s why Labour wins elections because they have enough middle/upper class swing voters on their side.
Your argument is completely illogical.
It's as far from illogical as humanly possible. Disaster capitalists claiming the neo liberal class are out to get them
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:10 - Apr 12 by westwalesed
Anti political elite is what they are running on. Not anti the elite, whatever that is nowadays.
It’s perectly possible to be posh and anti-establishment, just as it’s possible to be working class and pro the establishment. This is the exact reason why Conservatives win elections because they had enough working class people voting for a supposedly posh people’s party. And it’s why Labour wins elections because they have enough middle/upper class swing voters on their side.
Your argument is completely illogical.
Seriously. If you believe Farage, Rees Mogg etc are not the ‘establishment’ or the ‘political elite’ there’s no hope whatsoever.
I give up.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:55 - Apr 12 with 1863 views
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:28 - Apr 12 by londonlisa2001
Seriously. If you believe Farage, Rees Mogg etc are not the ‘establishment’ or the ‘political elite’ there’s no hope whatsoever.
I give up.
I didn’t say they’re not the establishment, they clearly are. I’m saying that despite their background they can be anti an out of touch political elite.
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:55 - Apr 12 by westwalesed
I didn’t say they’re not the establishment, they clearly are. I’m saying that despite their background they can be anti an out of touch political elite.
They say they’re anti establishment mun. They’ve been tweeting about it all day.
That’s what makes them complete hypocrites.
I’m not sure how you could get more political elite than Farage either. Or Annunziata. She’s total political elite. Just crap at it as she keeps losing elections.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:20 - Apr 12 with 1841 views
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:15 - Apr 12 by londonlisa2001
They say they’re anti establishment mun. They’ve been tweeting about it all day.
That’s what makes them complete hypocrites.
I’m not sure how you could get more political elite than Farage either. Or Annunziata. She’s total political elite. Just crap at it as she keeps losing elections.
So what you’re saying is that she’s aristocracy and therefore her views should be seen as hypocritical? The fact is nobody has any notion of what her views are. She may genuinely feel that the political elite or the establishment or whatever we want to call it is out of touch.
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:18 - Apr 12 by westwalesed
As well as a load of other people who are from more normal backgrounds too. Are people from very wealthy backgrounds not allowed to run on whatever ticket they like?
Tony Blair went to one of the most prestigious private schools in the land and he was nominally a Socialist.
' Nominally a Socialist.'
Almost like he was groomed for the role eh ed?
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:38 - Apr 12 with 1829 views
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:20 - Apr 12 by westwalesed
So what you’re saying is that she’s aristocracy and therefore her views should be seen as hypocritical? The fact is nobody has any notion of what her views are. She may genuinely feel that the political elite or the establishment or whatever we want to call it is out of touch.
No.
I’m saying she’s part of the establishment and an elite (both political and general) and therefore standing as a ‘stance against the establishment’ makes her a complete hypocrite. She makes her living from her establishment contacts and credentials. She hasn’t dismissed them, removed herself from them. She lives off them.
It’s not difficult.
OTh, and everyone knows what her views are since she’s stood as a candidate several times (once in Aberavon) and has told everyone what they are.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:43 - Apr 12 with 1818 views
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:38 - Apr 12 by londonlisa2001
No.
I’m saying she’s part of the establishment and an elite (both political and general) and therefore standing as a ‘stance against the establishment’ makes her a complete hypocrite. She makes her living from her establishment contacts and credentials. She hasn’t dismissed them, removed herself from them. She lives off them.
It’s not difficult.
OTh, and everyone knows what her views are since she’s stood as a candidate several times (once in Aberavon) and has told everyone what they are.
There’s no reason to resort to patronising claptrap like “it’s not difficult”.
I’m saying that you don’t know what her views are. Nobody REALLY does. At least I acknowledge that. Perhaps she’s genuinely concerned that the result of a legitimate referendum is being overturned by THE political elite of which she is not a part, having never been elected to anything in her life.
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:20 - Apr 12 by westwalesed
So what you’re saying is that she’s aristocracy and therefore her views should be seen as hypocritical? The fact is nobody has any notion of what her views are. She may genuinely feel that the political elite or the establishment or whatever we want to call it is out of touch.
“nobody has any notion of what her views are”
Go on, Eddie baby, take a run at it. 😂😂😂
Not quite as thick as Jango - but fûcking close!
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:50 - Apr 12 with 1803 views
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:43 - Apr 12 by westwalesed
There’s no reason to resort to patronising claptrap like “it’s not difficult”.
I’m saying that you don’t know what her views are. Nobody REALLY does. At least I acknowledge that. Perhaps she’s genuinely concerned that the result of a legitimate referendum is being overturned by THE political elite of which she is not a part, having never been elected to anything in her life.
She has stood for office on several occasions, and has been active in the Conservative party her entire life. She’s been an active anti EU campaigner since her early twenties. She’s employed by the Telegraph, MoneyWeek and she edits a magazine owned by Bill Cash.
She hasn’t been elected because she’s incompetent, not because she’s anti establishment.
But, you know, she definitely stands for you. Definitely.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:57 - Apr 12 with 1792 views
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:43 - Apr 12 by westwalesed
There’s no reason to resort to patronising claptrap like “it’s not difficult”.
I’m saying that you don’t know what her views are. Nobody REALLY does. At least I acknowledge that. Perhaps she’s genuinely concerned that the result of a legitimate referendum is being overturned by THE political elite of which she is not a part, having never been elected to anything in her life.
I’m willing to take an educated punt at what her views are.
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:50 - Apr 12 by londonlisa2001
She has stood for office on several occasions, and has been active in the Conservative party her entire life. She’s been an active anti EU campaigner since her early twenties. She’s employed by the Telegraph, MoneyWeek and she edits a magazine owned by Bill Cash.
She hasn’t been elected because she’s incompetent, not because she’s anti establishment.
But, you know, she definitely stands for you. Definitely.
She’s so establishment that she’s part of a movement which is literally trying to rip up the status quo?
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:43 - Apr 12 by westwalesed
There’s no reason to resort to patronising claptrap like “it’s not difficult”.
I’m saying that you don’t know what her views are. Nobody REALLY does. At least I acknowledge that. Perhaps she’s genuinely concerned that the result of a legitimate referendum is being overturned by THE political elite of which she is not a part, having never been elected to anything in her life.
Then again perhaps she’s just a self obsessed attention seeking posh c*nt, jealous of her preposterous limp w*nker of a brother?
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:18 - Apr 12 by westwalesed
She’s so establishment that she’s part of a movement which is literally trying to rip up the status quo?
Nope, she’s so establishment that she’s part of a movement which is trying to prevent the implementation of a stringent new tax regime that has just been introduced by the EU. 3 days after we were supposed to leave.
Who would have thought?
In unrelated news, her brother has made £103m within his company and paid NO TAX.