| FAO Will 21:18 - Nov 19 with 19648 views | Neath_Jack |
As your role as associate director, did you used to attend the directors box at home games? I'm not talking about your role as Trust observer now, as i believe these are two completely different roles? |  |
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| FAO Will on 21:03 - Nov 21 with 1447 views | Darran |
| FAO Will on 20:51 - Nov 21 by MoscowJack |
Well, he would really be barking up the wrong tree and I would hate to think that an accusation like this would detract from a really important debate.
I would much prefer him to contact me directly rather than derail these threads with a wrong presumption. If he's not comfortable after that, he's always got the chance to come back on here to continue expressing his thoughts. |
You have to admit mind that several posters have never been anything like as vociferous about the actual sellouts as they’ve been about the Trust.
And I’ve been saying that for the last 18 months.
Very very strange and if anyone says it isn’t they’re not being honest. |  |
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| FAO Will on 21:10 - Nov 21 with 1430 views | Nookiejack |
| FAO Will on 20:09 - Nov 21 by exiledclaseboy |
Just seen this. Why would I be able to confirm that? |
Sorry ECB I thought you had some background on this. My apologies. |  | | |
| FAO Will on 21:10 - Nov 21 with 1424 views | Neath_Jack |
| FAO Will on 21:03 - Nov 21 by Darran |
You have to admit mind that several posters have never been anything like as vociferous about the actual sellouts as they’ve been about the Trust.
And I’ve been saying that for the last 18 months.
Very very strange and if anyone says it isn’t they’re not being honest. |
Do the sellouts represent us? Can we force them out? No you say?
Can we change the dynamic of the Trust mob, who are meant to be going into bat on our behalf? They can?
Oh right...
As you were then. | |
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| FAO Will on 21:13 - Nov 21 with 1408 views | MoscowJack |
| FAO Will on 21:03 - Nov 21 by Darran |
You have to admit mind that several posters have never been anything like as vociferous about the actual sellouts as they’ve been about the Trust.
And I’ve been saying that for the last 18 months.
Very very strange and if anyone says it isn’t they’re not being honest. |
If you're referring to me, you'll see that I was EXTREMELY supportive of the Trust and have been VERY anti both HJ and LD for their parts in the sale of the club. I made this extremely clear, although maybe more on the Guestbook (as it was then) than on here.
I fully backed the likes of Phil S, Jim White, Huw Cooze and a couple of others on the Board as I had known them for an average of about 20 years each and trusted them, as I still do now.
I'm now quite obviously unhappy with the way things have gone in the past few months and I have always been one to speak my mind. It's got me into trouble in the past and it probably will again, but I have no hidden agendas at all. | |
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| FAO Will on 21:14 - Nov 21 with 1407 views | exiledclaseboy |
| FAO Will on 21:10 - Nov 21 by Nookiejack |
Sorry ECB I thought you had some background on this. My apologies. |
None at all, apart from enjoying reading through those rules the other night when all this kicked off. Never been involved with the Trust in any way apart from being a normal member. I’m a civil servant see. Rules is what we do. Ironically I understand the new Trust chair is also a former civil servant. He should be excommunicated from the former civil servants’ club for apparently never having read the rules of the organisation he now heads (or doesn’t head seeing as he’s not eligible). |  |
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| FAO Will on 21:23 - Nov 21 with 1369 views | whoflungdung |
Our problem is surely back stabbing feckers
As is seen on this site | |
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| FAO Will on 21:24 - Nov 21 with 1362 views | Darran |
| FAO Will on 21:10 - Nov 21 by Neath_Jack |
Do the sellouts represent us? Can we force them out? No you say?
Can we change the dynamic of the Trust mob, who are meant to be going into bat on our behalf? They can?
Oh right...
As you were then. |
Yeah but it’s still odd whatever you say.
Hardly a murmur on the actual sellouts from some but so much hatred towards the Trust. | |
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| FAO Will on 21:26 - Nov 21 with 1355 views | Nookiejack |
What went through my mind was say the vote to accept the deal was carrried 7-5 and say 3 in favour of the vote were ineligible to vote under the rules - what happens then.
In the minutes there doesn’t appear to be any record of who voted for what? | | | |
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| FAO Will on 21:26 - Nov 21 with 1348 views | Darran |
| FAO Will on 21:13 - Nov 21 by MoscowJack |
If you're referring to me, you'll see that I was EXTREMELY supportive of the Trust and have been VERY anti both HJ and LD for their parts in the sale of the club. I made this extremely clear, although maybe more on the Guestbook (as it was then) than on here.
I fully backed the likes of Phil S, Jim White, Huw Cooze and a couple of others on the Board as I had known them for an average of about 20 years each and trusted them, as I still do now.
I'm now quite obviously unhappy with the way things have gone in the past few months and I have always been one to speak my mind. It's got me into trouble in the past and it probably will again, but I have no hidden agendas at all. |
No I wasn’t referring to you in particular. | |
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| FAO Will on 21:30 - Nov 21 with 1332 views | NeathJack |
| FAO Will on 21:26 - Nov 21 by Nookiejack |
What went through my mind was say the vote to accept the deal was carrried 7-5 and say 3 in favour of the vote were ineligible to vote under the rules - what happens then.
In the minutes there doesn’t appear to be any record of who voted for what? |
I'm fairly sure the recommendation from the Trust board at the time to accept the deal was unanimous.
Unsure if I read that, it was stated at the forum to disclose & discuss the offer or if I've imagined it though.
So that's not much help really. |  | | |
| FAO Will on 21:30 - Nov 21 with 1328 views | MoscowJack |
| FAO Will on 21:24 - Nov 21 by Darran |
Yeah but it’s still odd whatever you say.
Hardly a murmur on the actual sellouts from some but so much hatred towards the Trust. |
As usual, Darran, you're being selective with your comments. I've already stated how much I have backed the Trust for many, many years (including doing whatever I could to help stop both of the US deals from happening). All of the above named ex-Board members will back me on this.
It's only since the Trust has become toxic and things told to me (actually not by any of the above named people) that I have become so unhappy and disillusioned. I could not believe what I was being told and had to double/treble check it was true.
Regardless of Chris' views on the Trust, I believe that most of the people running it did their best and for the right reasons.
I now don't believe that there are enough people at the top table in the Trust to be trusted to do what is right for us...the fans! It's that simple.
If you're not referring to me, then grow some balls and name names so they can have the right to defend their positions too. | |
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| FAO Will on 21:32 - Nov 21 with 1321 views | E20Jack |
| FAO Will on 21:24 - Nov 21 by Darran |
Yeah but it’s still odd whatever you say.
Hardly a murmur on the actual sellouts from some but so much hatred towards the Trust. |
If you went away on holiday and entrusted someone with a set of keys to make sure the house was locked every night. On your return you found the house was unlocked the whole time and your stuff gone - would you be more annoyed with the people you entrusted to look after your house - or the burglars that simply acted like burglars that stole your stuff?
I know what my answer would be. |  |
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| FAO Will on 21:35 - Nov 21 with 1299 views | Darran |
| FAO Will on 21:30 - Nov 21 by MoscowJack |
As usual, Darran, you're being selective with your comments. I've already stated how much I have backed the Trust for many, many years (including doing whatever I could to help stop both of the US deals from happening). All of the above named ex-Board members will back me on this.
It's only since the Trust has become toxic and things told to me (actually not by any of the above named people) that I have become so unhappy and disillusioned. I could not believe what I was being told and had to double/treble check it was true.
Regardless of Chris' views on the Trust, I believe that most of the people running it did their best and for the right reasons.
I now don't believe that there are enough people at the top table in the Trust to be trusted to do what is right for us...the fans! It's that simple.
If you're not referring to me, then grow some balls and name names so they can have the right to defend their positions too. |
I don’t need to name names they know quite well who they are and if youre saying some people haven’t gone after the sellouts even a teeny weeny bit as much as they’ve gone after the Trust you’re lying because they 100% fuçking well haven’t. | |
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| FAO Will on 21:37 - Nov 21 with 1295 views | Garyjack |
| FAO Will on 21:24 - Nov 21 by Darran |
Yeah but it’s still odd whatever you say.
Hardly a murmur on the actual sellouts from some but so much hatred towards the Trust. |
'Hatred towards the trust'? Where's that then Dar? I just thought it was a debate about what's morally right and wrong whilst trying to ensure that Trust board members abide by their own rules? Hatred?  |  | | |
| FAO Will on 21:38 - Nov 21 with 1288 views | MoscowJack |
| FAO Will on 21:35 - Nov 21 by Darran |
I don’t need to name names they know quite well who they are and if youre saying some people haven’t gone after the sellouts even a teeny weeny bit as much as they’ve gone after the Trust you’re lying because they 100% fuçking well haven’t. |
I've been reading this forum (under various guises) on and off for years (even pre-Phil) but tend to pop in when things get excited and pop out when they calm down, so I honestly don't know who you're referring to.
Why can't you just name names? You're not normally backward in coming forward.... | |
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| FAO Will on 21:38 - Nov 21 with 1286 views | Nookiejack |
| FAO Will on 21:30 - Nov 21 by NeathJack |
I'm fairly sure the recommendation from the Trust board at the time to accept the deal was unanimous.
Unsure if I read that, it was stated at the forum to disclose & discuss the offer or if I've imagined it though.
So that's not much help really. |
Doesn’t it have to be documented in the minutes? Maybe it is somewhere.
Seems strange there were no dissenters - how could they all be for the deal offered by the Yanks? | | | |
| FAO Will on 21:41 - Nov 21 with 1273 views | whoflungdung |
The very thing we don't need is to see some poster basically venting his spleen at anyone he sees fit . No considering given.
I joined the Trust and trusted them to make the right decisions for the club
I also assumed ( get this ) the Chairman would ensure the sale benefitted the club
It hasn't and it's not fans fault
So fook off Dar and lance that boil because you're seeping puss all over this site | |
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| FAO Will on 21:41 - Nov 21 with 1267 views | Darran |
| FAO Will on 21:37 - Nov 21 by Garyjack |
'Hatred towards the trust'? Where's that then Dar? I just thought it was a debate about what's morally right and wrong whilst trying to ensure that Trust board members abide by their own rules? Hatred? |
Look Gary if people have broken the rules and have to go that’s theyre problem,it’s a shame if they’ve fuçked up and it needs sorting.
That’s not the point though. There’s been hatred towards them for a long time and all I’ve said is some people have had virtually NOTHING to say about the people that actually sold the club to those Yank pricks and that’s a FACT. | |
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| FAO Will on 21:44 - Nov 21 with 1248 views | Darran |
| FAO Will on 21:41 - Nov 21 by whoflungdung |
The very thing we don't need is to see some poster basically venting his spleen at anyone he sees fit . No considering given.
I joined the Trust and trusted them to make the right decisions for the club
I also assumed ( get this ) the Chairman would ensure the sale benefitted the club
It hasn't and it's not fans fault
So fook off Dar and lance that boil because you're seeping puss all over this site |
Go away you hubcap thieving incoherent prick. | |
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| FAO Will on 21:47 - Nov 21 with 1227 views | exiledclaseboy |
| FAO Will on 21:38 - Nov 21 by Nookiejack |
Doesn’t it have to be documented in the minutes? Maybe it is somewhere.
Seems strange there were no dissenters - how could they all be for the deal offered by the Yanks? |
I wouldn’t expect individual votes of board members to be recorded in the minutes. Once the vote was taken and a decision reached, whether by majority or unanimous, it becomes a collective board decision and would be recorded as such. That’s how I see it anyway. | |
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| FAO Will on 21:47 - Nov 21 with 1219 views | whoflungdung |
You be got a poisonous agenda and you're toxic on here .A dangerous man who should never get behind a computer .
You are clearly enjoying this maelstrom
One sick disgusting individual | |
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| FAO Will on 21:49 - Nov 21 with 1204 views | Darran |
| FAO Will on 21:47 - Nov 21 by whoflungdung |
You be got a poisonous agenda and you're toxic on here .A dangerous man who should never get behind a computer .
You are clearly enjoying this maelstrom
One sick disgusting individual |
I refer you to my previous reply. | |
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| FAO Will on 21:51 - Nov 21 with 1188 views | MoscowJack |
Please can we stop the squabbling and get back to the serious issues being discussed? | |
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| FAO Will on 21:52 - Nov 21 with 1179 views | Nookiejack |
| FAO Will on 21:47 - Nov 21 by exiledclaseboy |
I wouldn’t expect individual votes of board members to be recorded in the minutes. Once the vote was taken and a decision reached, whether by majority or unanimous, it becomes a collective board decision and would be recorded as such. That’s how I see it anyway. |
Well it appears they didn’t have the quorum under the rules to make a recommendation. You would have thought they would have come back and made a statement by now if they did. | | | |
| FAO Will on 21:53 - Nov 21 with 1169 views | Garyjack |
| FAO Will on 21:41 - Nov 21 by Darran |
Look Gary if people have broken the rules and have to go that’s theyre problem,it’s a shame if they’ve fuçked up and it needs sorting.
That’s not the point though. There’s been hatred towards them for a long time and all I’ve said is some people have had virtually NOTHING to say about the people that actually sold the club to those Yank pricks and that’s a FACT. |
Of course you could argue that if anyone had anything to say about the people who sold the club to those 'Yank pricks', it should have been the trust itself, but they've said fvck all about them except wanting to form a working relationship with the 'pricks'. That's the bottom line Dar, and it's actually something you voted against! So where exactly are you coming from here! Look at the big picture! | | | |
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