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I employed a private investigator who charged me four grand to type “mart6” into google and I can reveal he is a popular YouTuber. Some of his videos have upwards of five views.
Here he is slaying some noobs on fortnite.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Mart6 is the voice of the establishment that believes we need a moral guardian. If he was around in Nazi Germany he would have failed the exam to become a Nazi officer due to his low IQ and club foot and instead spent his time, when not masterbating, on the phone to the obergruppenfuhrer giving him tips about 'evil' people in his neighbourhood.
"Errrr, ubergruppenfuhrer, I saw Mr Schmidt with socialist literature..."
" Errr, ubergruppenfuhrer, Mr Niemoller is writing anti-Nazi quotes again"
"Errr, ubergruppenfuhrer, it's about Otto Frank and his girls..."
mart6 is the voice of the oppressor, not the oppressed. I still wait, in hope, for those who share his views to develop the tiniest amount of self awareness and realise this. But no, they carry on using quotes from Niemoller and Orwell to describe their situation, painfully unaware that they are who these men were criticising. They carry on thinking they're some sort of anti establishment hippies. They carry on crying out in pain as they punch you. So, here's an 'up vote' for mart6 and all who enable him...
Oh dear Mo, trying too hard to be alt-right chic..or is that alt-right shit...is there a difference?
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
The venerable Mo has rather left you standing there looking like a man with a hole in his shoe who’s missed the last bus just as the Heavens open there, Sherp.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
The venerable Mo has rather left you standing there looking like a man with a hole in his shoe who’s missed the last bus just as the Heavens open there, Sherp.
Acerbic wit is not fact. Mo makes right wing populism commentary funny, for a microsecond, then it disappears like a vapour...like a vacuous mouth-breather. Are you going to panegyrize him for "smart mouthed" ideology or are you going to critically analyze his position as you do everyone else.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
Oh dear Mo, trying too hard to be alt-right chic..or is that alt-right shit...is there a difference?
Have a go at defining Alt-right for me without recourse to Google. I’ve just fired the question at you as if we were in The Riverside bar, fire back the answer that first presents itself.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
Have a go at defining Alt-right for me without recourse to Google. I’ve just fired the question at you as if we were in The Riverside bar, fire back the answer that first presents itself.
For me it is the fact bending , Orwellian doubleplusgood speak that hijacks "true" language with the aim of bending perception/fact to it's will to hide its lies and misdirection...and your misdirection in reply is?
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
For me it is the fact bending , Orwellian doubleplusgood speak that hijacks "true" language with the aim of bending perception/fact to it's will to hide its lies and misdirection...and your misdirection in reply is?
Going on that just modern politics to you then. Little different to New Labour’s press office alchemy?
Alt-right/New Labour. Pegs to hang grab-bags of conflicting ideas on.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
Going on that just modern politics to you then. Little different to New Labour’s press office alchemy?
Alt-right/New Labour. Pegs to hang grab-bags of conflicting ideas on.
You don't bite, do you...
The modern era spin doctors and the current alt-facts brigade are light years apart. Inferring a different version of truth is a volta face lie - apparently even Sean Spicer was a bit embarrassed so he blamed the fact that he had to promote Donald's thought process. Even knowing your background I am disappointed that you would push such a fallacious argument.
EDIT I just read what I posted...you may have guessed that I removed the word "not" ...meh
[Post edited 4 Aug 2018 23:16]
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
The modern era spin doctors and the current alt-facts brigade are light years apart. Inferring a different version of truth is a volta face lie - apparently even Sean Spicer was a bit embarrassed so he blamed the fact that he had to promote Donald's thought process. Even knowing your background I am disappointed that you would push such a fallacious argument.
EDIT I just read what I posted...you may have guessed that I removed the word "not" ...meh
[Post edited 4 Aug 2018 23:16]
Forget about Trump. You mention Trump there but I haven’t got him in mind at all. I don’t really know what to make of him save to say he is the living embodiment of disillusion with a ‘democracy’ that had stopped representing the interests of vast swathes of the population. He’s a stick, a tool, the means of hitting back at the professional political class. I’m not American so I have the luxury of detachment but not to recognise that the same well of anger and frustration is rising here would be short-sighted in the extreme.
Back on topic, the problem you are going to have here is in defining ‘truth’ in a political sense because what you are really wrestling with is perspective not the objective. Different schools of philosophy exist precisely because no truths are universal, no idea unassailable and there has never been a dearth of those preparing to make an assault.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
Forget about Trump. You mention Trump there but I haven’t got him in mind at all. I don’t really know what to make of him save to say he is the living embodiment of disillusion with a ‘democracy’ that had stopped representing the interests of vast swathes of the population. He’s a stick, a tool, the means of hitting back at the professional political class. I’m not American so I have the luxury of detachment but not to recognise that the same well of anger and frustration is rising here would be short-sighted in the extreme.
Back on topic, the problem you are going to have here is in defining ‘truth’ in a political sense because what you are really wrestling with is perspective not the objective. Different schools of philosophy exist precisely because no truths are universal, no idea unassailable and there has never been a dearth of those preparing to make an assault.
Been watching tele so i've missed the reply... I could say the same for New Labour and it would be equally disingenuous.
As for political truth...I didn't mention it , only you did. I talked about FACTS/ACTUAL TRUTHS but I included the spin side to cover the "conflicting ideas" comment from you.
The truth is, what I call alt-right deal in outright lies or call grey areas a failure of recognition of "facts" for their argument. Your fluidity of argument towards to laws transgressed by right wing agitators a travesty of your rigid thinking as equally as poor as a marxist controlled legal system as you warn against.
Your intellect is levels above mine so I do wonder why when I mention bare faced lies you mention "political facts". The alt-right lies and hijacks language where is your intellectual condemnation of that?
To use an argument from your good self... answer the problem of alt-right lies as if you were talking to your average Townhill boy or a generic call-centre worker...You've got time to wrangle the words as I'm off to watch tele and get rather pissed.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
Been watching tele so i've missed the reply... I could say the same for New Labour and it would be equally disingenuous.
As for political truth...I didn't mention it , only you did. I talked about FACTS/ACTUAL TRUTHS but I included the spin side to cover the "conflicting ideas" comment from you.
The truth is, what I call alt-right deal in outright lies or call grey areas a failure of recognition of "facts" for their argument. Your fluidity of argument towards to laws transgressed by right wing agitators a travesty of your rigid thinking as equally as poor as a marxist controlled legal system as you warn against.
Your intellect is levels above mine so I do wonder why when I mention bare faced lies you mention "political facts". The alt-right lies and hijacks language where is your intellectual condemnation of that?
To use an argument from your good self... answer the problem of alt-right lies as if you were talking to your average Townhill boy or a generic call-centre worker...You've got time to wrangle the words as I'm off to watch tele and get rather pissed.
You’ve started to lose me now. Have you got a specific instance of ‘lying’ in mind that you want me to comment on?
Let’s stretch credulity to the limit and wind the clock back thirty-odd years to put me in the same age bracket as a young Alt-radical. If I were to stand on a platform and declare, as an example, that elements of national economic planning coupled with the selective exclusion of cheap, sweated imports were essential to the future existence of a particular manufacturing sector. You as a Liberal could disagree vehemently with that assertion, you could consider it nonsense but it wouldn’t make me a liar. It would be my ‘truth.’ I could hold it just as dearly as you held yours and defend it every bit as tenaciously and I’d neither by lying to myself or you in the process.
Hijacking language? Again I’m not sure what you’re driving at with this. You see it employed in politics to persuade, warn, praise, blame and so on. It’s mobilised to produce effect. The greater the skill in wielding it the greater the effect. It’s how an audience is gained, how ideas gain traction. It is what it is.
I’m turning in now, mate. I’ll check back in the morning.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
Oh dear Mo, trying too hard to be alt-right chic..or is that alt-right shit...is there a difference?
Uh ho, someone's been reading the article '20 sassy comebacks for when dealing with the alt-right' by Phillipa Potts Cumstain in last weeks Guardian.
Did you think of that yourself? I'd love to see the thought process: "Alt-right chic...yeah, I like that...but wait, chic sounds like shit if you tilt your head and squint your eyes...I've got it...Alt-right shit. THAT'S BRILLIANT!"
FFS. There's (probably) an old Chinese proverb that says: If you have no gun, avoid getting into a gun fight. With that in mind, D, please avoid getting into a battle of wits. It's for your own good.
The venerable Mo has rather left you standing there looking like a man with a hole in his shoe who’s missed the last bus just as the Heavens open there, Sherp.
I don't want to suck my own horn but you're right. I did. Lets see a replay...
Poor old Shirt-lifter Jacob (You can see I've been to the 'DJack school of wit')
I'd like to take this moment to refer you back to my post he was replying to. The last but one sentence said "They carry on crying out in pain as they punch you." With that in mind take note that Jacob brought Nazi comparisons into this thread. He also, on the 23rd of July, posted a Nazi propaganda video to compare you to a Nazi. Then on this thread he starts accusing me of committing a 'Godwin's'. As I said 'they cry out in pain as they punch you.
For me it is the fact bending , Orwellian doubleplusgood speak that hijacks "true" language with the aim of bending perception/fact to it's will to hide its lies and misdirection...and your misdirection in reply is?
"For me it is the fact bending"
Why not use a description of their beliefs to describe their ideology? Why not describe them as they describe themselves instead of making up your own description? You just described lying, ffs. Why not taking a stab at describing their ideology and then you can show how I am also alt-right.
Imagine being so arrogant and lacking such self awareness that you make up your own description of an ideology without using any of their beliefs, while at the same time pontificating about the dishonest misuse of language. What a w@nker. Once again 'they cry out in pain as they punch you'
Now take your hat...
...and get out, you massive rapist
Disclaimer: For me the word 'rapist' simply means a witless moron that disagrees with me. It does not mean someone who rapes people.
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Good luck, Mr Cooper
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You’ve started to lose me now. Have you got a specific instance of ‘lying’ in mind that you want me to comment on?
Let’s stretch credulity to the limit and wind the clock back thirty-odd years to put me in the same age bracket as a young Alt-radical. If I were to stand on a platform and declare, as an example, that elements of national economic planning coupled with the selective exclusion of cheap, sweated imports were essential to the future existence of a particular manufacturing sector. You as a Liberal could disagree vehemently with that assertion, you could consider it nonsense but it wouldn’t make me a liar. It would be my ‘truth.’ I could hold it just as dearly as you held yours and defend it every bit as tenaciously and I’d neither by lying to myself or you in the process.
Hijacking language? Again I’m not sure what you’re driving at with this. You see it employed in politics to persuade, warn, praise, blame and so on. It’s mobilised to produce effect. The greater the skill in wielding it the greater the effect. It’s how an audience is gained, how ideas gain traction. It is what it is.
I’m turning in now, mate. I’ll check back in the morning.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
You’ve started to lose me now. Have you got a specific instance of ‘lying’ in mind that you want me to comment on?
Let’s stretch credulity to the limit and wind the clock back thirty-odd years to put me in the same age bracket as a young Alt-radical. If I were to stand on a platform and declare, as an example, that elements of national economic planning coupled with the selective exclusion of cheap, sweated imports were essential to the future existence of a particular manufacturing sector. You as a Liberal could disagree vehemently with that assertion, you could consider it nonsense but it wouldn’t make me a liar. It would be my ‘truth.’ I could hold it just as dearly as you held yours and defend it every bit as tenaciously and I’d neither by lying to myself or you in the process.
Hijacking language? Again I’m not sure what you’re driving at with this. You see it employed in politics to persuade, warn, praise, blame and so on. It’s mobilised to produce effect. The greater the skill in wielding it the greater the effect. It’s how an audience is gained, how ideas gain traction. It is what it is.
I’m turning in now, mate. I’ll check back in the morning.
As an example one from two countries...
The claim that Trumps inauguration crowd was bigger than Obama's. Lie
The claim that Tommy Robinson is not guilty. Lie, a clusterfúck possibly but a lie.
A Trump quote, language of hate... "We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in, we’re stopping a lot of them, but we’re taking people out of the country, you wouldn’t believe how bad these people are. These aren’t people. These are animals, and we’re taking them out of the country at a level, at a rate that’s never happened before"
The use of "alt-facts" and talk of "post-truth"
The Tories use of the word reform always seems to mean privatise or reduce. Counter Brexit arguments are "Project fear" and experts are sneered at and accused of misleading us. Yes, there has always been a political bending of reality but the current climate is taking "your truth, my truth" and making it only my truth is right and "your truth and THE truth" are lies.
Me, I prefer THE truth over your and my truth but I will journey there from my, or indeed your, version. In my opinion the trashing of the establishments whose aim is to regulate (fairly, even-handedly) or enlighten society is an assault on our order with the aim of creating a pernicious one-sided society.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
The claim that Trumps inauguration crowd was bigger than Obama's. Lie
The claim that Tommy Robinson is not guilty. Lie, a clusterfúck possibly but a lie.
A Trump quote, language of hate... "We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in, we’re stopping a lot of them, but we’re taking people out of the country, you wouldn’t believe how bad these people are. These aren’t people. These are animals, and we’re taking them out of the country at a level, at a rate that’s never happened before"
The use of "alt-facts" and talk of "post-truth"
The Tories use of the word reform always seems to mean privatise or reduce. Counter Brexit arguments are "Project fear" and experts are sneered at and accused of misleading us. Yes, there has always been a political bending of reality but the current climate is taking "your truth, my truth" and making it only my truth is right and "your truth and THE truth" are lies.
Me, I prefer THE truth over your and my truth but I will journey there from my, or indeed your, version. In my opinion the trashing of the establishments whose aim is to regulate (fairly, even-handedly) or enlighten society is an assault on our order with the aim of creating a pernicious one-sided society.
"These aren’t people. These are animals, and we’re taking them out of the country at a level, at a rate that’s never happened before"
You're a f*cking idiot. He was talking about MS-13, a cartel that kills, runs drugs, gang rapes and terrorises communities. Here's his full quote in context…
I wonder who made you believe he was talking about anyone else? You've never considered that you're actually the victim of those who lie and distort have you?
Are feminists 'Alt-right' when they claim to be fighting for the equal rights they already have and then push for equity rather than equality? Tell me again, who's hijacking and twisting language
Are those same feminists even more 'Alt-right' when they use word games to make people believe it's not illegal to pay women less than men for the same job?
Tell me how black people can't be racist because racism = prejudice + power. And then tell me again who's hijacking and twisting language.
Tell me about how the fight for 'inclusivity' and 'diversity' is going. Are you still using the tactic of excluding straight white men? Please, tell me who's hijacking and twisting language again?
Tell me how those thugs who dress in black, wear masks and beat their political opponents are actually 'Anti-fascists' And then tell me who's hijacking and twisting language again
And tell me again how the son of a single mother growing up in a trailer park has more privilege than the daughter of a millionaire because of his genitals Please, again, tell me who's hijacking and twisting language
Tbh, I would accuse you of hijacking, twisting and misdirection through the use of language but it's clear to me that you're actually the victim of it and you haven't got a clue as to what is actually going on.
Edit- and, btw, in your signature you have a Carl Sagan quote. Take his advice, there's a good boy
"These aren’t people. These are animals, and we’re taking them out of the country at a level, at a rate that’s never happened before"
You're a f*cking idiot. He was talking about MS-13, a cartel that kills, runs drugs, gang rapes and terrorises communities. Here's his full quote in context…
I wonder who made you believe he was talking about anyone else? You've never considered that you're actually the victim of those who lie and distort have you?
Are feminists 'Alt-right' when they claim to be fighting for the equal rights they already have and then push for equity rather than equality? Tell me again, who's hijacking and twisting language
Are those same feminists even more 'Alt-right' when they use word games to make people believe it's not illegal to pay women less than men for the same job?
Tell me how black people can't be racist because racism = prejudice + power. And then tell me again who's hijacking and twisting language.
Tell me about how the fight for 'inclusivity' and 'diversity' is going. Are you still using the tactic of excluding straight white men? Please, tell me who's hijacking and twisting language again?
Tell me how those thugs who dress in black, wear masks and beat their political opponents are actually 'Anti-fascists' And then tell me who's hijacking and twisting language again
And tell me again how the son of a single mother growing up in a trailer park has more privilege than the daughter of a millionaire because of his genitals Please, again, tell me who's hijacking and twisting language
Tbh, I would accuse you of hijacking, twisting and misdirection through the use of language but it's clear to me that you're actually the victim of it and you haven't got a clue as to what is actually going on.
Edit- and, btw, in your signature you have a Carl Sagan quote. Take his advice, there's a good boy
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Trump is deliberately conflating MS 13 and immigrants in general, cos he is racist scum.
Trump is deliberately conflating MS 13 and immigrants in general, cos he is racist scum.
Don't waste your breath he is a s bad as the Donald with his strawmen and false equivalences and when he does hit one one true issue it is used to excuse a plethora of other idiocy.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
Trump is deliberately conflating MS 13 and immigrants in general, cos he is racist scum.
Yes, Shakes, he's definitely a racist. He has to be a racist or you'd look like a right f*cking fool, wouldn't you.
You do realise when you lot behave like this you drive people away from your cause and maybe even to support him?
One minute you're posting videos showing how shit he is using words then the next you're suggesting he's some sort of language Jedi who can say one thing while sending out coded messages that can only be heard by racists. The funny thing is that the people who are always picking up these racist dog whistles are you lot. So maybe if you're hearing racist dog whistles it may be because you're the racists.
Now, I'd like you to answer one question for me: The gang/cartel known as MS-13 who deal in trafficking people and drugs, murder their enemies, use gang rape as a weapon and terrorise communities, do you think those people are animals? And to be clear I'm using 'animals' in the sense you may say Ian Brady or Fred West is an animal.
Don't waste your breath he is a s bad as the Donald with his strawmen and false equivalences and when he does hit one one true issue it is used to excuse a plethora of other idiocy.
So you have enough breath to keep throwing accusations at me but not enough to waste on backing them up. What a cowardly little rapist you are. (Btw, I'm still using my own description of the word rapist but I'm using cowardly as in the dictionary definition)
It's become clear to me during this thread that you don't understand what the Alt-right is. So me and you are talking about different things when we use the word. I am talking about a group of people who say "we are Alt-right" a group that hold the same beliefs. This set of beliefs could be referred to as 'Alt-right beliefs'....because they are the beliefs of the group known as the Alt-right. I am not one of these people who hold these beliefs. When you use the term you are using it in the way progressive journalists use it. You mean someone who criticises identity politics, feminism, political correctness etc. It is not only the Alt-right who criticise these things. This has led to people like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro being labelled as Alt-right.
My beliefs can be put into very simple terms by reading Martin Luther Kings 'I have a dream' speech. I believe that people should be treated equally under the law regardless of their race, sex or sexual orientation .I may be wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if you also believe this. If that is correct THEN YOU ARE THE OPPOSITE OF A PROGRESSIVE. Progressives believe people of different races should be treated differently (same with sex, gender etc) as you will see if you look at what's called 'the progressive stack' where people are stacked by their 'privilege'. So straight white men come at the bottom and disabled, black lesbians at the top. Now because black people have been oppressed by white people in the past, progressives believe 'justice' must be served on (different) white people before society can move forward...hence 'social justice warriors'. So white people must be treated differently to black people to make up for the way they were treated in the past.
Now, actual progressives know that if they came out and honestly said "We believe in treating people differently based on their skin colour" then the vast majority of normal people, whose support they need to gain power, would say "WTF?...no, I'm not on board with that" but those fools don't know what's good for them. So here is where the progressives need to start the hijacking and twisting of language that you are blind to...
So treating people unequal becomes 'equality' because to get people equal we need to make up for past injustices. This is not what I or MLK mean by equality but they (progressives) can now say "we are for equality" because they have changed the meaning of the word without telling you.
When they want to ban white people from somewhere and they are called racist. They twist the meaning of racism to mean something that can only affect minorities...so you can't be racist towards white people. therefore they are not racist...they are against racism. Once again they have changed the meaning of the word without telling you.
So we end up at a point where the progressive journalists, that you read, can now feed you the horse shit that progressives are against racism and for equality. And anyone who disagrees with this is obviously an Alt-right racist. There are more than two positions...I stand in one of those extra positions. You can't see this, so you think when I speak the truth that I'm actually an Alt-right racist twisting the truth. But the simple truth is you are the one who has fallen for the lies.
Yes, Shakes, he's definitely a racist. He has to be a racist or you'd look like a right f*cking fool, wouldn't you.
You do realise when you lot behave like this you drive people away from your cause and maybe even to support him?
One minute you're posting videos showing how shit he is using words then the next you're suggesting he's some sort of language Jedi who can say one thing while sending out coded messages that can only be heard by racists. The funny thing is that the people who are always picking up these racist dog whistles are you lot. So maybe if you're hearing racist dog whistles it may be because you're the racists.
Now, I'd like you to answer one question for me: The gang/cartel known as MS-13 who deal in trafficking people and drugs, murder their enemies, use gang rape as a weapon and terrorise communities, do you think those people are animals? And to be clear I'm using 'animals' in the sense you may say Ian Brady or Fred West is an animal.
Tell me, Mo, what do you know about the 'Central Park 5', and Trump's +25 year campaign to have them executed, including after they were categorically cleared of the crime by DNA evidence?
Tell me, Mo, what do you know about the 'Central Park 5', and Trump's +25 year campaign to have them executed, including after they were categorically cleared of the crime by DNA evidence?
No?
Here's a picture clue; notice anything about them?
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