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New twist in the Sala plane crash 14:32 - Aug 14 with 30836 viewsThrasher6

Emiliano Sala 'exposed to carbon monoxide in plane crash'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-49345186

Footballer Emiliano Sala, who died in a plane crash over the English Channel, had been exposed to high levels of carbon monoxide, a report has revealed.

Sala and pilot David Ibbotson crashed on 21 January when travelling to Cardiff from the French city of Nantes.

Toxicology tests on Sala's body showed CO levels in his blood were so great it could have caused a seizure, unconsciousness or a heart attack.

Mr Ibbotson, from Crowle, North Lincolnshire, has still not been found.

But it is likely he would also have been exposed to carbon monoxide, the Air Accidents Investigations Branch (AAIB) report said.

Geraint Herbert, head of air accidents for the AAIB, said it is believed both men were exposed to the gas before the plane crashed.

"Symptoms at low exposure levels [to carbon monoxide] can be drowsiness and dizziness, but as the exposure level increases it can lead to unconsciousness and death," he added.

"The investigation continues to look into a wide range of areas in relation to this accident, but in particular we are looking at the potential ways in which carbon monoxide can enter the cabin in this type of aircraft."
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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 16:24 - Oct 1 with 1055 viewsbluey_the_blue

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 16:16 - Oct 1 by TimTtam

And how are your superstar offseason recruits going?

It's not like clubs aren't going to go to CCFC full stop. But they wouldn't be a first preference. This debacle hurts the brand of CCFC.

Why do Bournemouth acquire such good young talent every offseason? Because it's an attractive destination. Small club who rose up from L2, who have a good reputation for development, and continue to defy the odds. And their state of the art training facilities are on the way. It's an attractive proposition. Even look at Burnley. They spend next to nothing, but managed to finish 7th a few seasons ago and play in Europe. They also defy the odds, and operate the right way.

The point is, what will Cardiff be best known for? People will remember this. They will also remember PL failure, Warnock, and unattractive football. Why do Cardiff sign so few players on loan?
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They are the same calibre we've been getting, Flint, Pack, Glatzel starters rest as depth.

I'm glad you've had to backtrack on your "no other clubs will deal with Cardiff" when confronted with actual facts.

Bournemouth do play some nice stuff, granted, but let's be honest, small club it's a money thing. Let's not conveniently forget they pissed all over FFP to get promoted.
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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 17:29 - Oct 1 with 945 viewsChief

It's a silly point to make saying that clubs won't deal with Cardiff in future. Clubs her desperate, where there's money to be made or losses to be cut it happens. It's why clubs still sign the Lee Hughes and Luke McCormack's of this world.

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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 18:24 - Oct 1 with 880 viewsTimTtam

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 16:24 - Oct 1 by bluey_the_blue

They are the same calibre we've been getting, Flint, Pack, Glatzel starters rest as depth.

I'm glad you've had to backtrack on your "no other clubs will deal with Cardiff" when confronted with actual facts.

Bournemouth do play some nice stuff, granted, but let's be honest, small club it's a money thing. Let's not conveniently forget they pissed all over FFP to get promoted.


F*ck, I was hoping you wouldn't notice

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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 18:30 - Oct 1 with 872 viewsbluey_the_blue

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 17:29 - Oct 1 by Chief

It's a silly point to make saying that clubs won't deal with Cardiff in future. Clubs her desperate, where there's money to be made or losses to be cut it happens. It's why clubs still sign the Lee Hughes and Luke McCormack's of this world.


I also think it's silly of any fans to claim their club wouldn't do the same. Until the same happens, who knows? Quite frankly, hope this scenario never happens to anyone else.
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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 18:30 - Oct 1 with 871 viewsbluey_the_blue

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 18:24 - Oct 1 by TimTtam

F*ck, I was hoping you wouldn't notice


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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 18:34 - Oct 1 with 864 viewsraynor94

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 16:16 - Oct 1 by TimTtam

And how are your superstar offseason recruits going?

It's not like clubs aren't going to go to CCFC full stop. But they wouldn't be a first preference. This debacle hurts the brand of CCFC.

Why do Bournemouth acquire such good young talent every offseason? Because it's an attractive destination. Small club who rose up from L2, who have a good reputation for development, and continue to defy the odds. And their state of the art training facilities are on the way. It's an attractive proposition. Even look at Burnley. They spend next to nothing, but managed to finish 7th a few seasons ago and play in Europe. They also defy the odds, and operate the right way.

The point is, what will Cardiff be best known for? People will remember this. They will also remember PL failure, Warnock, and unattractive football. Why do Cardiff sign so few players on loan?
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Bournemouth cheated their way out of the Championship, abusing FFP, they are hardly a paragon of virtue

You give it out, you take it back it`s all part of the game

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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 18:38 - Oct 1 with 853 viewsbluey_the_blue

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 18:34 - Oct 1 by raynor94

Bournemouth cheated their way out of the Championship, abusing FFP, they are hardly a paragon of virtue


As an aside, that just shows how poor FFP rules are.

In Bournemouth's case, maximum loss they could have had the year they went up was £6m. The actual loss was £42m. Couldn't be docked penalties or banned from signing players - Prem League a different competition than Football League.

So, Prem fudged it with a fine. £1m fine for every £6m of the loss. So, fined £7m in a season where the bottom team got £107m in TV rights.

That's why so many teams are abusing FFP in the Championship - go up, no real penalty. The only deterrent is you're screwed if you don't get promoted.
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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 19:03 - Oct 1 with 823 viewsmonmouth

For the good of the health of these clubs, they should be barred from promotion if they exceed the maximum loss. There need to no other complicated sanctions then as they obviously wouldn't do it.

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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 19:28 - Oct 1 with 796 viewsChief

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 18:30 - Oct 1 by bluey_the_blue

I also think it's silly of any fans to claim their club wouldn't do the same. Until the same happens, who knows? Quite frankly, hope this scenario never happens to anyone else.


Sorry mate that won't wash and glad it didn't with FIFA. It's got fvck all to with whether any other club would do the same or not and you can't make the assumption that they would. This is about Cardiff City and their shameful actions. Makes no difference whatsoever whether you think anyone else would do the same.

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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 19:44 - Oct 1 with 773 viewsplasjack

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 19:28 - Oct 1 by Chief

Sorry mate that won't wash and glad it didn't with FIFA. It's got fvck all to with whether any other club would do the same or not and you can't make the assumption that they would. This is about Cardiff City and their shameful actions. Makes no difference whatsoever whether you think anyone else would do the same.


If the truth be told I suspect that no insurance cover was in place, so the full cost will come out of their diminishing coffers.
This will seriously effect their ability to sign anyone of substance in the short term.
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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 19:53 - Oct 1 with 754 viewsbluey_the_blue

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 19:28 - Oct 1 by Chief

Sorry mate that won't wash and glad it didn't with FIFA. It's got fvck all to with whether any other club would do the same or not and you can't make the assumption that they would. This is about Cardiff City and their shameful actions. Makes no difference whatsoever whether you think anyone else would do the same.


Eh? The decision has zero to do with what any other club is doing.

What I'm saying is there are those here with faux outrage who maybe wouldn't applaud your owners if they did the same but sure as hell wouldn't condemn it.
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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 19:54 - Oct 1 with 751 viewsbluey_the_blue

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 19:44 - Oct 1 by plasjack

If the truth be told I suspect that no insurance cover was in place, so the full cost will come out of their diminishing coffers.
This will seriously effect their ability to sign anyone of substance in the short term.


That "no insurance" claim started on Anus message board.

Someone allegedly overheard club official saying that on the phone when at someone's house that evening. Not particularly plausible.

Now if the insurance was invalidated, that's a different argument.
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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 19:58 - Oct 1 with 744 viewsChief

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 19:53 - Oct 1 by bluey_the_blue

Eh? The decision has zero to do with what any other club is doing.

What I'm saying is there are those here with faux outrage who maybe wouldn't applaud your owners if they did the same but sure as hell wouldn't condemn it.


Whatever you think others would do in the same position is no defence.

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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 20:00 - Oct 1 with 736 viewsbluey_the_blue

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 19:58 - Oct 1 by Chief

Whatever you think others would do in the same position is no defence.


Didn't say it was. Pointing out the double standards.
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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 20:13 - Oct 1 with 718 viewsplasjack

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 19:54 - Oct 1 by bluey_the_blue

That "no insurance" claim started on Anus message board.

Someone allegedly overheard club official saying that on the phone when at someone's house that evening. Not particularly plausible.

Now if the insurance was invalidated, that's a different argument.


But if insurance was in place why not accept the judgement?.
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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 20:15 - Oct 1 with 712 viewsbluey_the_blue

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 20:13 - Oct 1 by plasjack

But if insurance was in place why not accept the judgement?.


Who says they haven't accepted it? If the club received certain legal advice, then will want to see he rationale behind the decision to see how it tallies with that advice.
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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 20:15 - Oct 1 with 714 viewsChief

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 20:00 - Oct 1 by bluey_the_blue

Didn't say it was. Pointing out the double standards.


Based on assumptions.

It's a rubbish diversionary tactic.

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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 20:17 - Oct 1 with 711 viewsbluey_the_blue

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 20:15 - Oct 1 by Chief

Based on assumptions.

It's a rubbish diversionary tactic.


How is it diversionary? Been consistent all along.

Fans of other clubs views aren't particularly important.
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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 20:25 - Oct 1 with 702 viewsplasjack

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 20:15 - Oct 1 by bluey_the_blue

Who says they haven't accepted it? If the club received certain legal advice, then will want to see he rationale behind the decision to see how it tallies with that advice.


Why seek legal advice if the insurance was valid in the first place.
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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 20:35 - Oct 1 with 684 viewsChief

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 20:17 - Oct 1 by bluey_the_blue

How is it diversionary? Been consistent all along.

Fans of other clubs views aren't particularly important.


Because instead of manning up and taking responsibility for the situation scum fans are taking some sort of twisted in solace in their assumption that other clubs would have done the same.

You're club has done it, no one else.

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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 21:07 - Oct 1 with 636 viewsbluey_the_blue

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 20:25 - Oct 1 by plasjack

Why seek legal advice if the insurance was valid in the first place.


Have you ever made an insurance claim in your life? There are consequences for doing so...

EDIT: Equally, we don't know if the insurance was invalidated by that flight.
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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 21:07 - Oct 1 with 634 viewsbluey_the_blue

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 20:35 - Oct 1 by Chief

Because instead of manning up and taking responsibility for the situation scum fans are taking some sort of twisted in solace in their assumption that other clubs would have done the same.

You're club has done it, no one else.


Bonkers.

Fans should take responsibility for clubs actions. Gotcha.
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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 21:26 - Oct 1 with 617 viewsChief

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 21:07 - Oct 1 by bluey_the_blue

Bonkers.

Fans should take responsibility for clubs actions. Gotcha.


Well I don't see you condoning their actions?

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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 21:27 - Oct 1 with 611 viewsbluey_the_blue

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 21:26 - Oct 1 by Chief

Well I don't see you condoning their actions?


I do not think that is the word you wanted to use...
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New twist in the Sala plane crash on 21:32 - Oct 1 with 595 viewsSwanjaxs

New twist in the Sala plane crash on 21:27 - Oct 1 by bluey_the_blue

I do not think that is the word you wanted to use...


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