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It's the same utterly sick and twisted denial/thinking that makes some believe that despite World Trade Center witness accounts and live TV coverage showing jets exploding? Some claim it was holograms that hit the twin towers.
Not only that, some seriously believe that hundreds of demolition operatives required to undertake the worlds largest ever take-down project somehow sneaked in overnight unseen and unheard.
Some seriously believe the demolition crews sneaked in overnight and unraveled mile upon mile of demolition cable, removed hundreds of upon hundreds of tons of inner-membrane material and pneumatically drilled and placed explosive charges. Not only that they then put back hundreds upon hundreds of tons of inner membrane back and swept up before the morning shift arrived.
Your second paragraph - are you sure about that? Because it seems, according to the direct testimony of Larry Silverstein - that Building 7 was somehow wired to be demolished (even though it was “burning out of control”) and the safest option, rather than let the fire burn itself out was to pull (demolish) the building. It fell directly into its own footprint after the central columns were severed, causing the building to kink in on itself (as witnessed by the roof centre collapsing first). This has been commented as being a classic controlled demolition, the building falling in on itself ensures no surrounding structures get damaged.
The video goes on to say he’s the luckiest man alive, not only missing his only day at work for two months but for the financial gain he unwittingly made. His initial investment to buy the whole complex of the NY Port Authority was $14 million. He also took out loans but that was his initial investment from his own pocket. He raked in between 6 and 7 billion dollars as a result of the insurance settlement.
It is probably a massive coincidence though but as that video shows he does admit the decision to “pull” Building 7.
I have no view or experience though on the main topic of this thread but I thought your point WSW needed addressing.
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Your second paragraph - are you sure about that? Because it seems, according to the direct testimony of Larry Silverstein - that Building 7 was somehow wired to be demolished (even though it was “burning out of control”) and the safest option, rather than let the fire burn itself out was to pull (demolish) the building. It fell directly into its own footprint after the central columns were severed, causing the building to kink in on itself (as witnessed by the roof centre collapsing first). This has been commented as being a classic controlled demolition, the building falling in on itself ensures no surrounding structures get damaged.
The video goes on to say he’s the luckiest man alive, not only missing his only day at work for two months but for the financial gain he unwittingly made. His initial investment to buy the whole complex of the NY Port Authority was $14 million. He also took out loans but that was his initial investment from his own pocket. He raked in between 6 and 7 billion dollars as a result of the insurance settlement.
It is probably a massive coincidence though but as that video shows he does admit the decision to “pull” Building 7.
I have no view or experience though on the main topic of this thread but I thought your point WSW needed addressing.
That Larry guy is just "some some fûckwittery on YouTube" though right?
Your second paragraph - are you sure about that? Because it seems, according to the direct testimony of Larry Silverstein - that Building 7 was somehow wired to be demolished (even though it was “burning out of control”) and the safest option, rather than let the fire burn itself out was to pull (demolish) the building. It fell directly into its own footprint after the central columns were severed, causing the building to kink in on itself (as witnessed by the roof centre collapsing first). This has been commented as being a classic controlled demolition, the building falling in on itself ensures no surrounding structures get damaged.
The video goes on to say he’s the luckiest man alive, not only missing his only day at work for two months but for the financial gain he unwittingly made. His initial investment to buy the whole complex of the NY Port Authority was $14 million. He also took out loans but that was his initial investment from his own pocket. He raked in between 6 and 7 billion dollars as a result of the insurance settlement.
It is probably a massive coincidence though but as that video shows he does admit the decision to “pull” Building 7.
I have no view or experience though on the main topic of this thread but I thought your point WSW needed addressing.
It would take a substantial amount of operatives to demolish a steel structure like a sky scraper, It's a multi level top-to-bottom floor operation, Skyscrapers do not fall like chimney stacks with charges only required to be placed on the bottom.
There would be a lot of conspicuous activity required, I've seen (micro minuscule by comparison) colliery winding towers being taken down by Cardiff Demolition. The whole locality knew about it, how could they not?
You see it takes trucks, heavy moving equipment, noise and smoke emitting stuff like oxy-propane gear, cutting disks and manpower to expose underlying points for take-down. Absolutely impossible to be done undiscovered and unseen not unless invisible ray technology seen in the Claude Raines classic 'The Invisible Man' was used.
How am I embarrassing myself by replying to a quote on Twin Towers?
By posting inane fûcking drivel.
Try reading the independent, peer-reviewed papers on stuff like the effect of fire on the structure of that building. Or, alternatively, just carry on listening to nutjob conspiracy theories on YouTube...
There was forensic evidence found there. There was a chain with paint on it that matched the paint from Morris house. He had continually denied it was his until his solicitor confronted him with the prosecution evidence just before the trial. When his solicitor confronted him he changed his story and said he had left it there when he had sex with Mandy the day before. It was this evidence that has led to 23 jurors with 2 different judges to all believe he did it and convict him. The judges are not from the area and the second trial took place in Newport with jurors from South East Wales. They heard the evidence and saw Morris' reaction. 23 decided he did it. None found he didnt. 2 unanimous verdicts with people unconnected to the family the Lewis' or Morris.
That Larry guy is just "some some fûckwittery on YouTube" though right?
Now get off this thread, it's only for grown-ups
No plane hit Building 7. Fires spontaneously started , there was no water available so fire fighters were taken away from the site at midday . The building collapsed at 5.20 pm, more than 7 hours after the first two. I was watching news 24 when they announce the collapse of building 7, BEFORE it collapsed!
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Weren't the towers designed to withstand an aircraft collision ?, ive been to the top of one of those towers and they were so tall surely the designers must have thought they would not come down if struck by an aircraft even a big passenger jet as there must have been the possibility of something going wrong and an aeroplane hitting one of them, did the designers get it totally wrong or is there some conspiracy theory afoot ?
It would take a substantial amount of operatives to demolish a steel structure like a sky scraper, It's a multi level top-to-bottom floor operation, Skyscrapers do not fall like chimney stacks with charges only required to be placed on the bottom.
There would be a lot of conspicuous activity required, I've seen (micro minuscule by comparison) colliery winding towers being taken down by Cardiff Demolition. The whole locality knew about it, how could they not?
You see it takes trucks, heavy moving equipment, noise and smoke emitting stuff like oxy-propane gear, cutting disks and manpower to expose underlying points for take-down. Absolutely impossible to be done undiscovered and unseen not unless invisible ray technology seen in the Claude Raines classic 'The Invisible Man' was used.
That's not what the architects and engineers say though. Should do some research. Molten steel and Thermite was found and seen in the aftermath and the rubble. Jet fuel cannot melt steel.
This is just one of the many eye opening documantary films, made by well respected "grown-ups", which everyone should see.
It would take a substantial amount of operatives to demolish a steel structure like a sky scraper, It's a multi level top-to-bottom floor operation, Skyscrapers do not fall like chimney stacks with charges only required to be placed on the bottom.
There would be a lot of conspicuous activity required, I've seen (micro minuscule by comparison) colliery winding towers being taken down by Cardiff Demolition. The whole locality knew about it, how could they not?
You see it takes trucks, heavy moving equipment, noise and smoke emitting stuff like oxy-propane gear, cutting disks and manpower to expose underlying points for take-down. Absolutely impossible to be done undiscovered and unseen not unless invisible ray technology seen in the Claude Raines classic 'The Invisible Man' was used.
I was an explosives engineer for 10 years back in the 1980s working in quarries, opencast coal sites and demolition of chimneys, cooling towers and buildings. You are absolutely correct. It would have been impossible to prepare a building like this for demolition without everyone in the vicinity knowing about it. Brickwork would have had to be cut back, girders would have been weakened by cutting and finally charges would have been prepared and laid. The electric wiring would then have been guarded because it’s very easily broken.
Simply didn’t happen.
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That's not what the architects and engineers say though. Should do some research. Molten steel and Thermite was found and seen in the aftermath and the rubble. Jet fuel cannot melt steel.
This is just one of the many eye opening documantary films, made by well respected "grown-ups", which everyone should see.
Try reading the independent, peer-reviewed papers on stuff like the effect of fire on the structure of that building. Or, alternatively, just carry on listening to nutjob conspiracy theories on YouTube...
Link me up with some peer reviewed papers mate. Cheers.
edit: you do know that "peer-reviewed" doesn't really mean that much? It's when the paper gets checked over for glaring mistakes, by people in the same field as the writer. Not an extensive analysis.
No plane hit Building 7. Fires spontaneously started , there was no water available so fire fighters were taken away from the site at midday . The building collapsed at 5.20 pm, more than 7 hours after the first two. I was watching news 24 when they announce the collapse of building 7, BEFORE it collapsed!
Mate, I know all this. I agree totally. Dodgy as fuk.
But apparently they are just "nutjob conspiracy theories on YouTube" and we are not adults.
Weren't the towers designed to withstand an aircraft collision ?, ive been to the top of one of those towers and they were so tall surely the designers must have thought they would not come down if struck by an aircraft even a big passenger jet as there must have been the possibility of something going wrong and an aeroplane hitting one of them, did the designers get it totally wrong or is there some conspiracy theory afoot ?
Wasn’t building seven hit by the other two burning buildings that fell?
Nope. Hit by some debris yes. Officially collapsed due to fire. THE FIRST STEEL STRUCTURED BUILDING TO DO SO IN THE WORLD, EVER!
edit: And as Mr Brynmill said, the news reported the building as collapsed, BEFORE it even happened, and it was still standing in the live pictures they were speaking on! Plus the actual owner of the building said they made the decision to "pull" it. But yeah, all a conspiracy.
Link me up with some peer reviewed papers mate. Cheers.
edit: you do know that "peer-reviewed" doesn't really mean that much? It's when the paper gets checked over for glaring mistakes, by people in the same field as the writer. Not an extensive analysis.
You are actually quite funny on occasion, but why you find it necessary to constantly call people names for no reason is beyond me... And you try and tell other people to act like "grown -ups". I did think you must be a kid, but going be people's comments on other threads, you are actually old as fuk hahaha. Strange.
I take it you are an academic, seen as you can call everyone else simpletons etc. What's your qualifications if you don't mind me asking?
It would take a substantial amount of operatives to demolish a steel structure like a sky scraper, It's a multi level top-to-bottom floor operation, Skyscrapers do not fall like chimney stacks with charges only required to be placed on the bottom.
There would be a lot of conspicuous activity required, I've seen (micro minuscule by comparison) colliery winding towers being taken down by Cardiff Demolition. The whole locality knew about it, how could they not?
You see it takes trucks, heavy moving equipment, noise and smoke emitting stuff like oxy-propane gear, cutting disks and manpower to expose underlying points for take-down. Absolutely impossible to be done undiscovered and unseen not unless invisible ray technology seen in the Claude Raines classic 'The Invisible Man' was used.
So they only "fall like chimney stacks" if they get hit by planes at the top is it?
You are actually quite funny on occasion, but why you find it necessary to constantly call people names for no reason is beyond me... And you try and tell other people to act like "grown -ups". I did think you must be a kid, but going be people's comments on other threads, you are actually old as fuk hahaha. Strange.
I take it you are an academic, seen as you can call everyone else simpletons etc. What's your qualifications if you don't mind me asking?
English degree, as the more astute on here (not you, obviously) might have noticed. It allows me to read and understand stuff. Were those links with science in them a bit much for you then?
If it wasn’t for the fact that you appear to be struggling to reach puberty, I’d have you down for a Fûckwittery graduate.
So they only "fall like chimney stacks" if they get hit by planes at the top is it?
Once the heat/raging fire from an estimated 10,000 to 20,000 + gallons of aviation fuel had severely weakened the structural steel (not enough to melt) and additionally weakened coupling/holding holes with heat expansion effect ..... Collapse was inevitable.
The end result was the complete and utter inability for the structures to hold their own colossal weight. That resulted in collapse/accompanying catastrophic huge downward force involving hundred upon hundred of thousands of tons of weight.
Indeed, a cascading domino effect collapse cold-shearing tens upon tens of thousands of bolts in buildings already suffering catastrophic damage/structural weakening from earlier jet impact. That also sheared tens upon tens of thousands of bolts.
The short video will show a cold temperature shear guillotine effect. (*note* galvanized surface not tarnished/blackened by heat!) Steel erectors, iron workers, engineers. welders and fabricated welders etc see this as utterly normal. That is why the buildings fell at the rate of speed they did.
The percussive jet impact damage and fire(s) from combined amount approx 50,000 gallons of aviation fuel collapsed all those buildings not explosives.
Once the heat/raging fire from an estimated 10,000 to 20,000 + gallons of aviation fuel had severely weakened the structural steel (not enough to melt) and additionally weakened coupling/holding holes with heat expansion effect ..... Collapse was inevitable.
The end result was the complete and utter inability for the structures to hold their own colossal weight. That resulted in collapse/accompanying catastrophic huge downward force involving hundred upon hundred of thousands of tons of weight.
Indeed, a cascading domino effect collapse cold-shearing tens upon tens of thousands of bolts in buildings already suffering catastrophic damage/structural weakening from earlier jet impact. That also sheared tens upon tens of thousands of bolts.
The short video will show a cold temperature shear guillotine effect. (*note* galvanized surface not tarnished/blackened by heat!) Steel erectors, iron workers, engineers. welders and fabricated welders etc see this as utterly normal. That is why the buildings fell at the rate of speed they did.
The percussive jet impact damage and fire(s) from combined amount approx 50,000 gallons of aviation fuel collapsed all those buildings not explosives.
Interesting link here WSW - the quantities of fuel required to get to LA from Boston are around half or maybe less than half the amounts you’ve assumed. They never carry full loads because it adds a lot of money onto the flights operating cost.
They’re saying that after the impact fireball and leakage there may have been 3500 gallons left. Interesting quotes there from survivors on floors above and below. The duty fire chief radioed command around 30 minutes before collapse saying he only needed two hoses to finish the remainder of the fire off. In other words it was dying anyway. The steel, if weakened at all, would have been in recovery mode by then.
They also had seriously intense fires in the WTC before which just needed refurbishment.
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I was there! Three of us got in under a turnstile after asking a steward to get us a programme from his stall 30 yards in. His back was turned for long enough. Those were the days. Paul Ringer Aberporth boy. He used to have a black mini and his girlfriend was smart. Ricky took over the baton.
Edit: Rephrase that. I mean rugby hero and not the girlfriend!
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