| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 11:17 - May 4 with 961 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 08:51 - May 4 by felixstowe_jack |
NHS budgets have increased by more than inflation in every year under the conservatives.
How is that less investment?
You never fail to promote your anti British hatred. |
It isn't.
But there is an apparent decrease in the rate of increase in investment.
ie the increases between 2010 and 2020 are are less than those between 2000 and 2010.
See
https://www.health.org.uk/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_image/public/201 |  | |  |
| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 13:54 - May 4 with 912 views | Catullus |
| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 18:01 - May 3 by Best_loser |
I'm not talking about the budget deficit, I'm talking about the national debt level
Your right, the Tories have maxed out the credit card
Quantitative easing too [Post edited 3 May 2020 18:08]
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Was it that 'bleedin obvious'? | |
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| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 18:09 - May 4 with 878 views | waynekerr55 |
| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 08:51 - May 4 by felixstowe_jack |
NHS budgets have increased by more than inflation in every year under the conservatives.
How is that less investment?
You never fail to promote your anti British hatred. |
Anti british hatred 🤣🤣🤣🤣 |  |
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| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 10:35 - May 5 with 832 views | Catullus |
| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 10:45 - May 4 by Best_loser |
Yes he did, and he used the money in schools and hospitals
Even if he had sold that gold later at a higher price
It would have given us 15 billion
Think about how small a dent 15 billion would make on the gigantic tory government national debt of
2 trillion |
It's not just Tory debt at all though, the debt has been built up over different governments tenures which includes Labour and any coalitions.
He sold it off dirt cheap and cost this country a fortune though, was there any sense in using a once off lump payment to spend on things that would need permanent funding? It was unsustainable. | |
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| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 11:01 - May 5 with 822 views | Best_loser |
| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 10:35 - May 5 by Catullus |
It's not just Tory debt at all though, the debt has been built up over different governments tenures which includes Labour and any coalitions.
He sold it off dirt cheap and cost this country a fortune though, was there any sense in using a once off lump payment to spend on things that would need permanent funding? It was unsustainable. |
The amount of gold he sold was worth 3 billion
If he had sold it later for 15 billion, still not a huge amount
Labour sold some of the gold
The Tories sold ALL of the crown jewels
So if Thatcher had sold the crown jewels , all those companies we owned later, just think how much more money she could have raised, many multiples more than the difference in the gold Brown sold |  | | |
| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 13:47 - May 5 with 796 views | waynekerr55 |
| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 11:01 - May 5 by Best_loser |
The amount of gold he sold was worth 3 billion
If he had sold it later for 15 billion, still not a huge amount
Labour sold some of the gold
The Tories sold ALL of the crown jewels
So if Thatcher had sold the crown jewels , all those companies we owned later, just think how much more money she could have raised, many multiples more than the difference in the gold Brown sold |
I think the biggest mistake Thatcher made was not retaining a small shareholding in the companies privatised and also not setting up a sovereign wealth fund | |
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| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 16:36 - May 5 with 775 views | Catullus |
| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 11:01 - May 5 by Best_loser |
The amount of gold he sold was worth 3 billion
If he had sold it later for 15 billion, still not a huge amount
Labour sold some of the gold
The Tories sold ALL of the crown jewels
So if Thatcher had sold the crown jewels , all those companies we owned later, just think how much more money she could have raised, many multiples more than the difference in the gold Brown sold |
Hang on, how many privatisations happened under Blair? How much PFI happened under Blair?
It wasn't just the Tories. We are still paying a massive PFI bill which we can't blame the Tories for.
1997-2008,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/mar/29/short-history-of-privatisa | |
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| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 16:55 - May 5 with 767 views | Best_loser |
You said Brown cost the country a fortune selling 3 billion worth of gold
The tory debt is 2 trillion
Your just a tory apologist masquerading as a neutral as most Tories who infest internet forums do
Nothing personal 😃 | | | |
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| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 15:55 - May 6 with 712 views | Catullus |
| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 16:55 - May 5 by Best_loser |
You said Brown cost the country a fortune selling 3 billion worth of gold
The tory debt is 2 trillion
Your just a tory apologist masquerading as a neutral as most Tories who infest internet forums do
Nothing personal 😃 |
Again, it's not all Tory debt, how much did Blair and Brown run up?
https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/7568/debt/government-debt-under-labour-1997-2
Then because of the massive deficit the debt was bound to rise, it's not apologising for the tories in any way to point out a truth.
In 1997 national debt was 352 billion yet in 2010 (Blair and Brown) that had risen to around 900 billion (with that record deficit) though of course there was the 2008 crash.
Lets look at another truth, Corbyn was promising a massive lend and spend spree, that would have seen national debt rocket again, but you'd be ok with that because it would be Labour? It's irrelevant now really but if Corbyn had won his government would have done pretty much the same (financially) as Bojo and Sunak have and you're only criticisng the debt because it's the tories.
Call me an apologist all you like but I am critical of almost all politicians and bearing in mind I make mistakes, the truth still matters. | |
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| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 16:09 - May 6 with 708 views | Best_loser |
| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 15:55 - May 6 by Catullus |
Again, it's not all Tory debt, how much did Blair and Brown run up?
https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/7568/debt/government-debt-under-labour-1997-2
Then because of the massive deficit the debt was bound to rise, it's not apologising for the tories in any way to point out a truth.
In 1997 national debt was 352 billion yet in 2010 (Blair and Brown) that had risen to around 900 billion (with that record deficit) though of course there was the 2008 crash.
Lets look at another truth, Corbyn was promising a massive lend and spend spree, that would have seen national debt rocket again, but you'd be ok with that because it would be Labour? It's irrelevant now really but if Corbyn had won his government would have done pretty much the same (financially) as Bojo and Sunak have and you're only criticisng the debt because it's the tories.
Call me an apologist all you like but I am critical of almost all politicians and bearing in mind I make mistakes, the truth still matters. |
I never said all the debt was down to the Tories
I only call it the tory debt because they are in government and they own it at the moment
If labour win the next election I will call it the labour debt
Or would I 😋
I will take your word for it that your no toryboy | | | |
| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 17:35 - May 6 with 690 views | longlostjack |
| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 13:47 - May 5 by waynekerr55 |
I think the biggest mistake Thatcher made was not retaining a small shareholding in the companies privatised and also not setting up a sovereign wealth fund |
This. All that North Sea oil money. What a waste. |  |
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| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 19:12 - May 6 with 676 views | Catullus |
| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 16:09 - May 6 by Best_loser |
I never said all the debt was down to the Tories
I only call it the tory debt because they are in government and they own it at the moment
If labour win the next election I will call it the labour debt
Or would I 😋
I will take your word for it that your no toryboy |
Oh you tease  | |
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| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 20:54 - May 6 with 657 views | Dr_Winston |
| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 13:47 - May 5 by waynekerr55 |
I think the biggest mistake Thatcher made was not retaining a small shareholding in the companies privatised and also not setting up a sovereign wealth fund |
Agree with that.
Some state ownership just for dividend purposes (not management. Christ, never management) wouldn't have been a bad thing. |  |
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| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 22:17 - May 6 with 635 views | Jack_Meoff |
| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 13:47 - May 5 by waynekerr55 |
I think the biggest mistake Thatcher made was not retaining a small shareholding in the companies privatised and also not setting up a sovereign wealth fund |
'Mistake.' 
Yeah, mistake. Turning in her grave about it still I'd guess. The satanically animated colostomy bag. |  |
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| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 23:12 - May 6 with 616 views | majorraglan |
PFI was introduced by John Major in 1992 and used extensively by Labour from 97 onwards.
The National Debt increased under Labour, who also had the Banking crisis to contend with,it has also increased under the current Government.
We need to have a mature conversation about what we want, what we are prepared to pay and what we can afford. I am happy to pay my share of tax and I expect most people feel the same way if their money is being spent wisely on decent public services. I don’t want my money being spent to support those who won’t work and who won’t contribute to society in return, nor do I want to see hardworking business people and take risks etc who pay their taxes going to the wall on account of multinational corporations who pay hardly any taxes in the UK.
To be honest, I am not sure if any of the political parties represent my views. | | | |
| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 14:57 - May 7 with 550 views | Catullus |
| Labour started the privatisation of the NHS 14 years ago on 23:12 - May 6 by majorraglan |
PFI was introduced by John Major in 1992 and used extensively by Labour from 97 onwards.
The National Debt increased under Labour, who also had the Banking crisis to contend with,it has also increased under the current Government.
We need to have a mature conversation about what we want, what we are prepared to pay and what we can afford. I am happy to pay my share of tax and I expect most people feel the same way if their money is being spent wisely on decent public services. I don’t want my money being spent to support those who won’t work and who won’t contribute to society in return, nor do I want to see hardworking business people and take risks etc who pay their taxes going to the wall on account of multinational corporations who pay hardly any taxes in the UK.
To be honest, I am not sure if any of the political parties represent my views. |
You might not be sure but I am, none of them represent my views. They (the big 3) represent my views (to a certain extent) but none of them represent my views enough for me to vote for them.
I am neither left nor right but floating around in the middle with views that would be considered both left AND right. I am a LabouraTory, it's an experimental opinion! | |
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