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Return of 'Routine' medical procedures in Wales 19:44 - Jun 15 with 2042 viewsBrynCartwright

A close friend has been suffering extreme physical and mental issues because her 'routine' operation was cancelled by Hywel Dda in Carmarthen back in January.

Since then Covid has struck and understandably no 'routine' type operations have been conducted.

Now infections and deaths have dropped significantly, the NHS in Wales needs to now provide some indication of when these 'routine' type surgeries will be reinstated.

Ironically she has been a nurse for 29 years working for the NHS. She gets her operation and after 3/4 weeks she will be able to return to work. Shockingly, she has been put on half pay because of non attendance, and will be on no pay come August according to standard NHS protocols. She fears she will be evicted by her landlady.

She is in enormous pain, has to take extremely strong and addictive painkillers and after involving Rebecca Evans, our local MS, she has received a standard response letter today from the head of Hywel Dda sayin they are working with the Senedd on reintroducing 'routines'.

She is at her wits end, and I am really concerned for her and her mental state. There are obviously plenty of other people desperately in need of NHS treatment, but short of lying naked in front of Vaughan Gething's or Dr Andrew Goodall's car for the publicity what can I do for her?

Yours frustratingly


Bryn
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Return of 'Routine' medical procedure in Wales on 19:57 - Jun 15 with 2024 viewsCatullus

I wish I knew Bryn. I read recently that waiting lists will have doubled during all this, to around 10 million.
The very real eefect of this will be that people with serious issues will, during their extended wait, develop other health problems. The knock on effect will be added costs to the NHS which will cause more delays, it could be the NHS is heading for a death spiral leading to collpase.

The government needs to throw money at it. They need to pay NHS staff better and get more nurses off agency books and back into the NHS full time, they need to re-open wards....well there's so much they need to do I could be here all night.

It doesn't help your friend and I really feel sorry for her. Personally speaking, if I' had my hip replacement done as quickly as the Germans manage to (it was 3/4 weeks in 2016 and they wanted to speed it up) then I wouldn'r have had to give up my part time job, I wouldn't be claiming PIP, I would be healthier all around.

The country is heading for a health catastrophe and Covid may have sped things up. That health catastrophe will then impact the welfare benefits. It'll cost this country billions but more importantly, it's ruining people's lives.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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Return of 'Routine' medical procedures in Wales on 07:14 - Jun 16 with 1902 views3swan

I know we are in extreme times but has she tried talking again with her GP about being referred somewhere else. I know that'll be difficult but there were rules about using private facilities if waiting was over a certain time. Doubt it would be used at the moment but anything is worth a try.
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Return of 'Routine' medical procedures in Wales on 08:51 - Jun 16 with 1872 viewspencoedjack

I work for a company that supplies the NHS with kits for elective surgeries.

The last 2 weeks things have started picking up in England (& Scotland) unfortunately we haven't shipped a kit to a Welsh hospital.

Drakeford needs to get elective surgeries moving otherwise there will be a lot of people like Bryn's friend.
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Return of 'Routine' medical procedures in Wales on 09:36 - Jun 16 with 1847 views3swan

Return of 'Routine' medical procedures in Wales on 07:14 - Jun 16 by 3swan

I know we are in extreme times but has she tried talking again with her GP about being referred somewhere else. I know that'll be difficult but there were rules about using private facilities if waiting was over a certain time. Doubt it would be used at the moment but anything is worth a try.


Can't find a similar link for NHS Wales

This will include many private hospitals if they provide services to the NHS and it does not cost the NHS any more than a referral to a standard NHS hospital.

https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/about-the-nhs/your-choices-in-the-nhs/
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Return of 'Routine' medical procedures in Wales on 10:06 - Jun 16 with 1833 viewsCatullus

Return of 'Routine' medical procedures in Wales on 08:51 - Jun 16 by pencoedjack

I work for a company that supplies the NHS with kits for elective surgeries.

The last 2 weeks things have started picking up in England (& Scotland) unfortunately we haven't shipped a kit to a Welsh hospital.

Drakeford needs to get elective surgeries moving otherwise there will be a lot of people like Bryn's friend.


Unfortunately it's not a case of will be, there already are. If Wales is in a better position than England then they need to look at starting elective surgery.

It is unfortunate that in order to protect peoples lives we have also ended up practically ruining peoples lives, their quality of life anyway.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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Return of 'Routine' medical procedure in Wales on 10:23 - Jun 16 with 1821 viewsKerouac

Return of 'Routine' medical procedure in Wales on 19:57 - Jun 15 by Catullus

I wish I knew Bryn. I read recently that waiting lists will have doubled during all this, to around 10 million.
The very real eefect of this will be that people with serious issues will, during their extended wait, develop other health problems. The knock on effect will be added costs to the NHS which will cause more delays, it could be the NHS is heading for a death spiral leading to collpase.

The government needs to throw money at it. They need to pay NHS staff better and get more nurses off agency books and back into the NHS full time, they need to re-open wards....well there's so much they need to do I could be here all night.

It doesn't help your friend and I really feel sorry for her. Personally speaking, if I' had my hip replacement done as quickly as the Germans manage to (it was 3/4 weeks in 2016 and they wanted to speed it up) then I wouldn'r have had to give up my part time job, I wouldn't be claiming PIP, I would be healthier all around.

The country is heading for a health catastrophe and Covid may have sped things up. That health catastrophe will then impact the welfare benefits. It'll cost this country billions but more importantly, it's ruining people's lives.


Cat, don't take this the wrong way fella (I know where you are coming from) but the government has thrown money at it. The NHS has been given a blank cheque.

This is about management of the NHS in Wales...and I am not solely having a go at Welsh Labour in the Assembly (although they have a big input) it is also about incompetent managers and bureaucratic systems set up on an ad hoc basis over decades that don't allow people on the ground (those who are competent enough to see the big picture and think through the potential implications of decisions made on their level) to flag up potential problems and propose solutions.



Bryn, I wish I had some good advice for you but unfortunately it is a mess all over Welsh government right now, it is hard just to get hold of anybody.
Re: the pay policy right now though I would start by writing a letter/e-mail to your local health board , and it might be worth contacting the Evening Post also.
Essentially you need somebody there in management to wake up to the problem and you need to get their attention somehow.
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Return of 'Routine' medical procedure in Wales on 10:46 - Jun 16 with 1810 viewsCatullus

Return of 'Routine' medical procedure in Wales on 10:23 - Jun 16 by Kerouac

Cat, don't take this the wrong way fella (I know where you are coming from) but the government has thrown money at it. The NHS has been given a blank cheque.

This is about management of the NHS in Wales...and I am not solely having a go at Welsh Labour in the Assembly (although they have a big input) it is also about incompetent managers and bureaucratic systems set up on an ad hoc basis over decades that don't allow people on the ground (those who are competent enough to see the big picture and think through the potential implications of decisions made on their level) to flag up potential problems and propose solutions.



Bryn, I wish I had some good advice for you but unfortunately it is a mess all over Welsh government right now, it is hard just to get hold of anybody.
Re: the pay policy right now though I would start by writing a letter/e-mail to your local health board , and it might be worth contacting the Evening Post also.
Essentially you need somebody there in management to wake up to the problem and you need to get their attention somehow.
[Post edited 16 Jun 2020 10:50]


They've thrown money at Covid yes but elsehwere the funding has, in real terms, been cut. It doesn't help that senior management and politicians keep making bad decisions, that waste continues unabated.

Kerouac, I sadly have experience of this. I have now been waiting 4 years for a hip replacement. When I was told I needed a new hip I thought I'd gone straight on the list but my specialist instead decided to ait and see what my spinal specialist thought, he could have put me on the list then removed me if needs be. That added 6 months to the wait (longer in practise because other people were put on ahead of me. Then the wait got longer, it was apparently 12 moths when I was first diagnosed but had soon been put at 2 years. I was using pain killers. When at just over 2 years I started having other problems. I got a date for my surgery but then a gastroenterlogist told me the tablets had damaged my liver. It was quite bad, beyond repairing itself he said. I went on a medical trial and my hip suregry put on hold. Another 15 months later the trial medication had worked for me, my liver was improving. I was reactivated on the list, I got another date but then I developed another issue and puton hold again, that issue cleared up. I saw my surgeon in February this year and he said they'd try and get me in ASAP because I was obviously really struggling, my over all health declining and then bang, Covid-19.
Now some of that can't be helped but, if I had been put on the list straight away (as I thought I had) I would have had the surgery. I wouldn't have taken pain killers for so long and probably wouldn't have had the liver problem.
Because I have waited so long I now have issues with my back and knees which may need surgery. It could have been avoided. That decision not to put me straight on the list will cost the NHS time and a lot more money.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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Return of 'Routine' medical procedure in Wales on 11:14 - Jun 16 with 1793 viewsKerouac

Return of 'Routine' medical procedure in Wales on 10:46 - Jun 16 by Catullus

They've thrown money at Covid yes but elsehwere the funding has, in real terms, been cut. It doesn't help that senior management and politicians keep making bad decisions, that waste continues unabated.

Kerouac, I sadly have experience of this. I have now been waiting 4 years for a hip replacement. When I was told I needed a new hip I thought I'd gone straight on the list but my specialist instead decided to ait and see what my spinal specialist thought, he could have put me on the list then removed me if needs be. That added 6 months to the wait (longer in practise because other people were put on ahead of me. Then the wait got longer, it was apparently 12 moths when I was first diagnosed but had soon been put at 2 years. I was using pain killers. When at just over 2 years I started having other problems. I got a date for my surgery but then a gastroenterlogist told me the tablets had damaged my liver. It was quite bad, beyond repairing itself he said. I went on a medical trial and my hip suregry put on hold. Another 15 months later the trial medication had worked for me, my liver was improving. I was reactivated on the list, I got another date but then I developed another issue and puton hold again, that issue cleared up. I saw my surgeon in February this year and he said they'd try and get me in ASAP because I was obviously really struggling, my over all health declining and then bang, Covid-19.
Now some of that can't be helped but, if I had been put on the list straight away (as I thought I had) I would have had the surgery. I wouldn't have taken pain killers for so long and probably wouldn't have had the liver problem.
Because I have waited so long I now have issues with my back and knees which may need surgery. It could have been avoided. That decision not to put me straight on the list will cost the NHS time and a lot more money.


I am sorry to hear about your predicament Cat, I hope you get some relief soon.
Re: Your treatment
Don't be afraid to complain about any bad decisions taken in your eyes. Write it all down in a letter and send it to your Local Health Board. They should respond...I know of somebody who ended up having a sit down with the manager of a department for a couple of hours. He wanted her advice on what she thought could have worked better. Obviously some of her criticisms were not applicable but some were valuable.
Most of us don't like complaining but it is the only way anything ever improves.

Re: NHS funding
It hasn't been cut in England. It has in Wales, that was a Welsh Assembly decision, they could have cut other departments.

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Return of 'Routine' medical procedure in Wales on 11:28 - Jun 16 with 1783 viewspencoedjack

Return of 'Routine' medical procedure in Wales on 11:14 - Jun 16 by Kerouac

I am sorry to hear about your predicament Cat, I hope you get some relief soon.
Re: Your treatment
Don't be afraid to complain about any bad decisions taken in your eyes. Write it all down in a letter and send it to your Local Health Board. They should respond...I know of somebody who ended up having a sit down with the manager of a department for a couple of hours. He wanted her advice on what she thought could have worked better. Obviously some of her criticisms were not applicable but some were valuable.
Most of us don't like complaining but it is the only way anything ever improves.

Re: NHS funding
It hasn't been cut in England. It has in Wales, that was a Welsh Assembly decision, they could have cut other departments.


England are also utilising a lot more money on rapid recovery than Welsh hospitals.

Rapid recovery is normally partially funded by large orthopaedic companies to help get patients after (as an example) hip or knee surgery on their feet & exercising quicker which frees up hospital beds.

Anyone who has dealings with both health boards will realise this is just 1 example of how England are leaving Wales behind.

Drakeford & Welsh labour are an embarrassment.
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Return of 'Routine' medical procedure in Wales on 11:32 - Jun 16 with 1782 viewsexhmrc1

Return of 'Routine' medical procedure in Wales on 11:14 - Jun 16 by Kerouac

I am sorry to hear about your predicament Cat, I hope you get some relief soon.
Re: Your treatment
Don't be afraid to complain about any bad decisions taken in your eyes. Write it all down in a letter and send it to your Local Health Board. They should respond...I know of somebody who ended up having a sit down with the manager of a department for a couple of hours. He wanted her advice on what she thought could have worked better. Obviously some of her criticisms were not applicable but some were valuable.
Most of us don't like complaining but it is the only way anything ever improves.

Re: NHS funding
It hasn't been cut in England. It has in Wales, that was a Welsh Assembly decision, they could have cut other departments.


As far as coronvirus is concerned it is nearly resolved in South Wales. Yesterdays figures show 62 new cases in Wales. Of those 36 were in North Wales. The 26 in South and Mid Wales included 7 in RCT, 5 each in Carmarthen and Cardiff and 3 in the Vale. That leaves 6 in 12 other local authorities. Getting down the figures in the 4 authorities would leave very few cases. This is typical of the figures every day.

RCT and Cardiff have been coming down and hopefully shortly these figures will reduce to the same kind of figures as other South and Mid Wales areas.

As has been said the major issue within the NHS is poor organisation. 2 years ago I ended up in intensive care with Pneumonia and Sepsis. The ambulance took 5 hours to come and my heart rate was 130. When I got to Morriston A&E werent very good. After being transferred to Medical Admissions Unit things changed totally. A nurse took one look at me asked if I was OK and I said no and suddenly there were 8 doctors around me and I had 7 venflons. She had called the crash team as she feared I was going into Cardiac arrest.

The intensive care doctors and nurses were wonderful and my heart rate came down slowly from 160 beats per minute.

When it was decided to move me from Intensive Care it took 8 hours for them to find another bed and I only moved then because a nurse wheeled me rather than wait for a porter.

Throughout this time I was blocking a bed that could have been used for a far more seriously ill patient. I would have thought getting me out of there would have been a priority to open a bed up.
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Return of 'Routine' medical procedure in Wales on 14:07 - Jun 16 with 1735 viewsCatullus

Return of 'Routine' medical procedure in Wales on 11:14 - Jun 16 by Kerouac

I am sorry to hear about your predicament Cat, I hope you get some relief soon.
Re: Your treatment
Don't be afraid to complain about any bad decisions taken in your eyes. Write it all down in a letter and send it to your Local Health Board. They should respond...I know of somebody who ended up having a sit down with the manager of a department for a couple of hours. He wanted her advice on what she thought could have worked better. Obviously some of her criticisms were not applicable but some were valuable.
Most of us don't like complaining but it is the only way anything ever improves.

Re: NHS funding
It hasn't been cut in England. It has in Wales, that was a Welsh Assembly decision, they could have cut other departments.


Well thank you but I'm not looking for sympathy just pointing out that a large part of the problem is bad decision making short term solutions, no joined up thinking or planning and the knock on efefct is really quite bad.

I almost did complain but the specialist who left me hanging for 6 months (who was apparently a top, top surgeon) retired soon after seeing me and went 100% private. I could still complain but I don't really feel like getting a face full of platitudes about lessons learnt and things changing and I'm not after compensation

The part about NHS funding, yes, despite what people like Kilk say the WP has cut health spending. It wants to throw money at other things and hopes we can be fobbed off with blaming Westminster.

When Drakeford was Welsh Health Sec he visited Morriston. Parts of the hospital it was planned he would see were freshly decorated, new carpets, it was all clean and shiny and looked nice. It wasn't the reality, it was done purely for him. Did he really know the truth or was it to give him plausible deniability? Most likely both.

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Return of 'Routine' medical procedure in Wales on 16:54 - Jun 16 with 1702 viewsexhmrc1

Return of 'Routine' medical procedure in Wales on 14:07 - Jun 16 by Catullus

Well thank you but I'm not looking for sympathy just pointing out that a large part of the problem is bad decision making short term solutions, no joined up thinking or planning and the knock on efefct is really quite bad.

I almost did complain but the specialist who left me hanging for 6 months (who was apparently a top, top surgeon) retired soon after seeing me and went 100% private. I could still complain but I don't really feel like getting a face full of platitudes about lessons learnt and things changing and I'm not after compensation

The part about NHS funding, yes, despite what people like Kilk say the WP has cut health spending. It wants to throw money at other things and hopes we can be fobbed off with blaming Westminster.

When Drakeford was Welsh Health Sec he visited Morriston. Parts of the hospital it was planned he would see were freshly decorated, new carpets, it was all clean and shiny and looked nice. It wasn't the reality, it was done purely for him. Did he really know the truth or was it to give him plausible deniability? Most likely both.


As an answer to your last paragraph this is fairly standard in public services. Often managers dont want the politicians or senior management to see the real truth. That is a problem with the civil service , education as well as the NHS.

I think people are confusing the situation of the NHS generally as against how the coronavirus is being dealt with. The facts show that the numbers have dropped hugely in South Wales are are now very low in contrast to the situation in North Wales.

Over the last 4 days the new cases have been as follows:-
Ceredigion 0,1,0,2
Pembrokeshire 2,0,1,1
Carmarthenshire 4,2,5,2
Swansea 0,1,1,0
Neath Port Talbot 2,1,0,2
Bridgend 1,3,1,0
Vale of Glam 2,4,3,5
Cardiff 3,3,5,4
Newport 1,0,1,2
Powys 0,0,0,0
The figures for Carmarthenshire and Vale of Glamorgan are slightly high and the only other area in South or Mid Wales showing similar or higher figures is Rhondda Cynon Taff. Places like Monmouthshire, Torfaen, Blaenau Gwent, Caerphilly and Merthyr Tydfil have been showing similar low figures. Cwm Taf which icludes RCT , Bridgend and Merthyr has shown 9,15,8 and 6.

As can be seen the figures are low throughout Mid and South Wales which is why I believe the WAG has been doing a good job over coronavirus.
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Return of 'Routine' medical procedure in Wales on 17:03 - Jun 16 with 1697 viewscontroversial_jack

Return of 'Routine' medical procedure in Wales on 16:54 - Jun 16 by exhmrc1

As an answer to your last paragraph this is fairly standard in public services. Often managers dont want the politicians or senior management to see the real truth. That is a problem with the civil service , education as well as the NHS.

I think people are confusing the situation of the NHS generally as against how the coronavirus is being dealt with. The facts show that the numbers have dropped hugely in South Wales are are now very low in contrast to the situation in North Wales.

Over the last 4 days the new cases have been as follows:-
Ceredigion 0,1,0,2
Pembrokeshire 2,0,1,1
Carmarthenshire 4,2,5,2
Swansea 0,1,1,0
Neath Port Talbot 2,1,0,2
Bridgend 1,3,1,0
Vale of Glam 2,4,3,5
Cardiff 3,3,5,4
Newport 1,0,1,2
Powys 0,0,0,0
The figures for Carmarthenshire and Vale of Glamorgan are slightly high and the only other area in South or Mid Wales showing similar or higher figures is Rhondda Cynon Taff. Places like Monmouthshire, Torfaen, Blaenau Gwent, Caerphilly and Merthyr Tydfil have been showing similar low figures. Cwm Taf which icludes RCT , Bridgend and Merthyr has shown 9,15,8 and 6.

As can be seen the figures are low throughout Mid and South Wales which is why I believe the WAG has been doing a good job over coronavirus.


They are not getting any lower though, it seems to have plateaued over the last week or so and testing hasn't increased either.
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Return of 'Routine' medical procedure in Wales on 17:03 - Jun 16 by controversial_jack

They are not getting any lower though, it seems to have plateaued over the last week or so and testing hasn't increased either.


They have increased largely due to the Betsi Cadwalladr figures which account for 60% of the all wales figures. There is also probably an effect of the testing of all Care Homes. The Swansea Bay figures show that there hasnt been a single case marked as hospital since the 1st June ie one tested in A&E or on a hospital ward. They are all shown as other which relates to care homes, prisons, and testing stations. Aneurin Bevan figures show a similar fact. An example from today's figures shows there were 21 cases in hospital settings of which 15 were in North Wales.

There has been a slight increase in Carmarthenshire and Ceredigion as the virus has moved west and a slight increase in Vale of Glam but there has been a decrease in Cardiff and RCT.

Looking at the actual figures the lowest figures of 35 included a North Wales figure of 12 and todays figure includes a North Wales figure of 37. There were no Hywel Dda cases shown as against 5 today. The day after the 35 there were 76 new cases so clearly some were late being recorded.

Since then Care homes have been tested and the figures released today show there were 21 Hospital cases today and 44 others which includes care homes, prisons and testing stations. Probably there were a fair number of care homes included in these.
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Return of 'Routine' medical procedures in Wales on 18:20 - Jun 16 with 1660 viewsperplex

The end result will be more deaths caused by these delays than that of the virus, this is bordering on neglect if you ask me, Specialists are sitting around with nothing to do.
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Return of 'Routine' medical procedures in Wales on 19:22 - Jun 16 with 1644 viewsCatullus

Return of 'Routine' medical procedures in Wales on 18:20 - Jun 16 by perplex

The end result will be more deaths caused by these delays than that of the virus, this is bordering on neglect if you ask me, Specialists are sitting around with nothing to do.


Not all of them, my Gastroenterologist rang me last week to check in. He's ordered tests for me which I've had despite the virus because he absolutely insisted and then he sent me a letter and rang me to explain exactly what parts of it meant. He actually apologised for not being able to see me face to face and said he hoped to see me in the Autumn, depending on Covid.

He is, in my opinion a perfect example of a lion led by donkeys.

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Return of 'Routine' medical procedures in Wales on 19:27 - Jun 16 with 1639 viewsLeonWasGod

Fk me. Half pay becasue her employer delayed the procedure.

No wonder you're frustrated on her behalf.
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Return of 'Routine' medical procedures in Wales on 18:46 - Jun 17 with 1575 viewsperplex

Return of 'Routine' medical procedures in Wales on 19:22 - Jun 16 by Catullus

Not all of them, my Gastroenterologist rang me last week to check in. He's ordered tests for me which I've had despite the virus because he absolutely insisted and then he sent me a letter and rang me to explain exactly what parts of it meant. He actually apologised for not being able to see me face to face and said he hoped to see me in the Autumn, depending on Covid.

He is, in my opinion a perfect example of a lion led by donkeys.


That`s good, so how long did you have to wait from the referral to having the tests.
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Return of 'Routine' medical procedures in Wales on 18:15 - Jun 18 with 1506 viewsCatullus

Return of 'Routine' medical procedures in Wales on 18:46 - Jun 17 by perplex

That`s good, so how long did you have to wait from the referral to having the tests.


It wasn't a referral it was follow up tests which had been cancelled when the virus hit. I get the same tests every 6 months.

I should also say that most specialists may not have been doing their normal role but they haven't been sitting around. most medical staff were redeployed, including specialists. They pitched in to help fight Covid-19 in whichever way the management felt best.

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Return of 'Routine' medical procedure in Wales on 17:03 - Jun 16 by controversial_jack

They are not getting any lower though, it seems to have plateaued over the last week or so and testing hasn't increased either.


Todays figures show 20 new cases in Mid and South Wales of which 13 were in Cardiff and the Wales Area. The other 7 cases were spread amongst 5 health boards. Swansea Bay and Powys didnt have any new cases. Cwm Taf and Hywel Dda 2 each and Aneurin Bevan 3. As is being highly publicised there are problems in Anglesey and Wrexham which are keeping the Welsh figures high and will do over the next week or more. Of the figures in Wales today 11 were in Anglesey, 8 in Vale of Glamorgan 7 in Wrexham and 5 in Cardiff ie 31 of the new cases were in 4 council areas. 4 of the other North Wales areas have 7 between them. There wasn't a single new case between Bridgend and Pembrokeshire and only 2 cases between Swansea and Machynlleth.
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Return of 'Routine' medical procedure in Wales on 18:35 - Jun 18 by exhmrc1

Todays figures show 20 new cases in Mid and South Wales of which 13 were in Cardiff and the Wales Area. The other 7 cases were spread amongst 5 health boards. Swansea Bay and Powys didnt have any new cases. Cwm Taf and Hywel Dda 2 each and Aneurin Bevan 3. As is being highly publicised there are problems in Anglesey and Wrexham which are keeping the Welsh figures high and will do over the next week or more. Of the figures in Wales today 11 were in Anglesey, 8 in Vale of Glamorgan 7 in Wrexham and 5 in Cardiff ie 31 of the new cases were in 4 council areas. 4 of the other North Wales areas have 7 between them. There wasn't a single new case between Bridgend and Pembrokeshire and only 2 cases between Swansea and Machynlleth.


I thought Wales was part of the UK’s Pillar 2 testing now?
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Return of 'Routine' medical procedure in Wales on 18:51 - Jun 18 by londonlisa2001

I thought Wales was part of the UK’s Pillar 2 testing now?


According to the official evidence wales declares its own along with Pillar 1
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-testing-data-met
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