| I Have to ask. 11:57 - Jan 5 with 5477 views | A_Fans_Dad |
Why is our Government, NICE & the NHS allowing people to suffer the symptoms of COVID, hospitalisation, intensive care and death?
What advise do those bodies provide for reducing the effects of COVID?
When people get a positive Test result what advise are they given?
The answer to those last two questions is NOTHING.
Stay at home until your symptoms become serious or you get better is their only answer, which is no answer.
The mantra of those bodies is "the only way out is lockdowns and vaccines".
While the rest of the world outside the UK, USA & Western Europe are successfully using various drugs to improve people's chances of not getting COVID, not suffering so badly, not ending up in hospital and not dying.
The drugs are cheap, well understood, been in use for years and work.
Even Long COVID has been cured in many patients.
Where are the banner headlines for all this good news in the UK?
Ask yourself this "if you catch COVID would you want to be able to try the drugs under medical advise before you are ill enough to be hospitalised, would you take them?
Would you like to at least to have that option?
Then ask why you are not being given the same options as 3rd world countries offer their patients?
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| I Have to ask. on 12:07 - Jan 5 with 2624 views | Catullus |
On the basis these drugs work, I'd go with coporate Pharma have their fingers in too many politicians pies.
They (big pharma) don't want cheaper drugs that are widely and cheaply available being used before they get to wheel out their expensive vaccines.
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| I Have to ask. on 14:00 - Jan 5 with 2583 views | onehunglow |
I ask why footballers give a fist pump then later crawl all over each other if a goal is scored.
Plenty of covid in football yet the most basic common sense not being shown. | |
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| I Have to ask. on 18:54 - Jan 5 with 2510 views | BillyChong |
The Daily Mail | | | |
| I Have to ask. on 09:14 - Jan 6 with 2400 views | Scotia |
"Our study has several limitations" quote from the discussion para 10.
And the overall study recommends further, better quality, studies. Although it is better than a report about one woman in the Daily Mail.
The entire world is searching for a miracle cure, there is absolutely no conclusive evidence that we have found one. As most of the studies in to these "cures" either conclude the same way or have at least as many other studies disputing them.
This isn't a conspiracy in any way, shape or form. | | | |
| I Have to ask. on 10:06 - Jan 6 with 2387 views | Catullus |
| I Have to ask. on 09:14 - Jan 6 by Scotia |
"Our study has several limitations" quote from the discussion para 10.
And the overall study recommends further, better quality, studies. Although it is better than a report about one woman in the Daily Mail.
The entire world is searching for a miracle cure, there is absolutely no conclusive evidence that we have found one. As most of the studies in to these "cures" either conclude the same way or have at least as many other studies disputing them.
This isn't a conspiracy in any way, shape or form. |
Apparently China has rfused to let a W.H.O investigation team into the country. What are they hiding? They claim to have dealt with this virus but if they won't let people in to see there is an obvious conclusion. | |
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| I Have to ask. on 10:30 - Jan 6 with 2379 views | Scotia |
| I Have to ask. on 10:06 - Jan 6 by Catullus |
Apparently China has rfused to let a W.H.O investigation team into the country. What are they hiding? They claim to have dealt with this virus but if they won't let people in to see there is an obvious conclusion. |
They definitely have something to hide.
It was a massive coincidence that Dr le Wenliang (the covid whistle-blower) died of the disease, despite not being in an at risk group too. | | | |
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| I Have to ask. on 10:44 - Jan 6 with 2373 views | Catullus |
| I Have to ask. on 10:30 - Jan 6 by Scotia |
They definitely have something to hide.
It was a massive coincidence that Dr le Wenliang (the covid whistle-blower) died of the disease, despite not being in an at risk group too. |
A socialist paradise China is not. Step out of line and the authorities act quickly and decisively.
I wonder how many people have died for speaking out against the ruling elites? | |
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| I Have to ask. on 10:47 - Jan 6 with 2374 views | Scotia |
| I Have to ask. on 10:44 - Jan 6 by Catullus |
A socialist paradise China is not. Step out of line and the authorities act quickly and decisively.
I wonder how many people have died for speaking out against the ruling elites? |
My sister in law is Chinese. Ex army. The most patriotic person I have ever met.In fact she is completely brainwashed.
I've been invited to visit her family, obviously my brother in law has many times, I don't fancy it at all. | | | |
| I Have to ask. on 11:00 - Jan 6 with 2360 views | Boundy |
Probably more believable if it came out of Chinas Global Times . not | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| I Have to ask. on 11:03 - Jan 6 with 2341 views | Dr_Winston |
| I Have to ask. on 10:44 - Jan 6 by Catullus |
A socialist paradise China is not. Step out of line and the authorities act quickly and decisively.
I wonder how many people have died for speaking out against the ruling elites? |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-55555299 |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| I Have to ask. on 11:06 - Jan 6 with 2357 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| I Have to ask. on 09:14 - Jan 6 by Scotia |
"Our study has several limitations" quote from the discussion para 10.
And the overall study recommends further, better quality, studies. Although it is better than a report about one woman in the Daily Mail.
The entire world is searching for a miracle cure, there is absolutely no conclusive evidence that we have found one. As most of the studies in to these "cures" either conclude the same way or have at least as many other studies disputing them.
This isn't a conspiracy in any way, shape or form. |
You always look for the single line of the report that allows you to ignore the rest of the actual Statistical data.
You have done the same with every study except the sudies that you should have rejected out of hand. ie the Oxford Recovery study on HCQ, the study that has not been peer reviewed and should never pass peer review, where the designers gave 6 times the safe maximum dose to critically ill patients.
You have no interest in what is going on in the rest of the world. There have been 158 peer reviewed Studies on HCQ and 17 peer reviewed studies on Ivermectin.
And you concentrate enirely on a disgraceful study designed to fail. | | | |
| I Have to ask. on 11:49 - Jan 6 with 2350 views | Scotia |
| I Have to ask. on 11:06 - Jan 6 by A_Fans_Dad |
You always look for the single line of the report that allows you to ignore the rest of the actual Statistical data.
You have done the same with every study except the sudies that you should have rejected out of hand. ie the Oxford Recovery study on HCQ, the study that has not been peer reviewed and should never pass peer review, where the designers gave 6 times the safe maximum dose to critically ill patients.
You have no interest in what is going on in the rest of the world. There have been 158 peer reviewed Studies on HCQ and 17 peer reviewed studies on Ivermectin.
And you concentrate enirely on a disgraceful study designed to fail. |
Read these things before you post them then. You've posted one article and one study which both clearly have huge limitations.
There may be 158 peer reviewed studies on HCQ and 17 on Ivermectin, but there are plenty of others that say they don't work. Especially regarding HCQ, in fact you've probably inadvertently posted more articles stating HCQ doesn't work then those that say it does.
There is no conspiracy by pharma, governments or anyone else. This is real, and for now restrictions and vaccines are the only way out until we find an effective "at home" treatment and alternative prophylaxis.
If anything was proven to work, even to a slight degree, we'd all be taking it. | | | |
| I Have to ask. on 12:02 - Jan 6 with 2344 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| I Have to ask. on 11:49 - Jan 6 by Scotia |
Read these things before you post them then. You've posted one article and one study which both clearly have huge limitations.
There may be 158 peer reviewed studies on HCQ and 17 on Ivermectin, but there are plenty of others that say they don't work. Especially regarding HCQ, in fact you've probably inadvertently posted more articles stating HCQ doesn't work then those that say it does.
There is no conspiracy by pharma, governments or anyone else. This is real, and for now restrictions and vaccines are the only way out until we find an effective "at home" treatment and alternative prophylaxis.
If anything was proven to work, even to a slight degree, we'd all be taking it. |
You do not know what you are talking about, many other countries are using them, why would they possibly use them if they don't work? | | | |
| I Have to ask. on 13:28 - Jan 6 with 2321 views | Scotia |
| I Have to ask. on 12:02 - Jan 6 by A_Fans_Dad |
You do not know what you are talking about, many other countries are using them, why would they possibly use them if they don't work? |
You asked I answered. Correctly. | | | |
| I Have to ask. on 13:35 - Jan 6 with 2316 views | Scotia |
| I Have to ask. on 12:02 - Jan 6 by A_Fans_Dad |
You do not know what you are talking about, many other countries are using them, why would they possibly use them if they don't work? |
Just to answer why other countries are using them?
I don't know, but I would guess they are countries that have considerable levels of poverty and a hugely under resourced health system. They are probably just using them in absence of treatments that are proven to be better so far, such as CPAP, proning and ventilation in combination with dexamethasone.
If there was an inclination they would be more successful than existing treatments available here, we'd use them too. | | | |
| I Have to ask. on 13:56 - Jan 6 with 2298 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| I Have to ask. on 13:35 - Jan 6 by Scotia |
Just to answer why other countries are using them?
I don't know, but I would guess they are countries that have considerable levels of poverty and a hugely under resourced health system. They are probably just using them in absence of treatments that are proven to be better so far, such as CPAP, proning and ventilation in combination with dexamethasone.
If there was an inclination they would be more successful than existing treatments available here, we'd use them too. |
You just don't get it do you, everybody who has researched the subject knows that they work, that is the reason that other countries are using them.
Let me ask you this, why have India been using Ivermactin for months for treating people at home before they need hospitalisation.
https://trialsitenews.com/goa-game-changer-indian-states-health-authority-approv
Now tell me why this country "that has considerable levels of poverty and a hugely under resourced health system." has a mortality rate for COVID of 108 Deaths/Million.
How about Bangladesh, 46D/M
Pakistan 47D/M
https://dominicantoday.com/dr/covid-19/2020/09/29/doctors-cure-6000-patients-wit
Peru, which has had a really high mortality rate are adopting it.
https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/FLCCC-IVERMECTIN-Summ
Your problem is that you still think that our Government and the NHS know what they are doing and it is patently obvious that they don't . [Post edited 6 Jan 2021 14:39]
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| I Have to ask. on 14:30 - Jan 6 with 2282 views | Catullus |
My first instinct is, how many of those 53 will never be seen or heard from ever again? | |
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| I Have to ask. on 15:22 - Jan 6 with 2265 views | Scotia |
Not everyone who has researched the subject knows that they work. You've posted several links that say HCQ doesn't work, and I can't find the reports from a full scale double - blinded clinical trial that say Ivermectin works. In fact it's use seems to be clouding the actual trials themselves:-
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02958-2
I will say that it seems to hold promise - and fingers crossed it is proven to work.
I suspect the low death rates in India, Bangladesh and Pakistan are down to a lack of testing and, most importantly, the age of population. Most developing nations have a life expectancy of late 60's, covid has an average mortality age of 82 with age being the biggest contributory factor to covid death. This obviously has a far greater impact to death rates than the use of an unproven anti - parasite drug.
I don't think the government knows what they are doing for a second. In fact I no longer believe a word they say. I do however trust the scientists involved in the search for covid treatments. I am confident that they will find the best treatments currently available or develop new ones as quickly as humanly possible, as is the case with the vaccines. | | | |
| I Have to ask. on 17:51 - Jan 6 with 2246 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| I Have to ask. on 15:22 - Jan 6 by Scotia |
Not everyone who has researched the subject knows that they work. You've posted several links that say HCQ doesn't work, and I can't find the reports from a full scale double - blinded clinical trial that say Ivermectin works. In fact it's use seems to be clouding the actual trials themselves:-
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02958-2
I will say that it seems to hold promise - and fingers crossed it is proven to work.
I suspect the low death rates in India, Bangladesh and Pakistan are down to a lack of testing and, most importantly, the age of population. Most developing nations have a life expectancy of late 60's, covid has an average mortality age of 82 with age being the biggest contributory factor to covid death. This obviously has a far greater impact to death rates than the use of an unproven anti - parasite drug.
I don't think the government knows what they are doing for a second. In fact I no longer believe a word they say. I do however trust the scientists involved in the search for covid treatments. I am confident that they will find the best treatments currently available or develop new ones as quickly as humanly possible, as is the case with the vaccines. |
Your last paragraph shows how unbelievably naive you are.
Just like over Climate Change you actually think scientists aren't corrupted by money, they are human beings not angels.
I have said all along that every single advantage should be used to fight COVID, from Vitamins to every drug available and we, along with a lot of the western world are not doing so. | | | |
| I Have to ask. on 18:26 - Jan 6 with 2226 views | Scotia |
| I Have to ask. on 17:51 - Jan 6 by A_Fans_Dad |
Your last paragraph shows how unbelievably naive you are.
Just like over Climate Change you actually think scientists aren't corrupted by money, they are human beings not angels.
I have said all along that every single advantage should be used to fight COVID, from Vitamins to every drug available and we, along with a lot of the western world are not doing so. |
Only someone brainwashed by conspiracy theories could post something like that.
The irony is clear for all to see. | | | |
| I Have to ask. on 19:10 - Jan 6 with 2207 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| I Have to ask. on 18:26 - Jan 6 by Scotia |
Only someone brainwashed by conspiracy theories could post something like that.
The irony is clear for all to see. |
Only someone brainwashed by the mass media could post your response.
Everyone should know the expression"just follow the money", but obviously not you. | | | |
| I Have to ask. on 19:27 - Jan 6 with 2202 views | Scotia |
| I Have to ask. on 19:10 - Jan 6 by A_Fans_Dad |
Only someone brainwashed by the mass media could post your response.
Everyone should know the expression"just follow the money", but obviously not you. |
Money doesn't lead you to dexamethasone or a vaccine being distributed at cost price. Or cpaps being used in preference to ventilators for that matter. Not to mention the crippling depression this is going to leave us in.
You've clearly been fooled by the clear reason for lower death rates in developing countries, even though the reason is obvious. It is because you want to believe.
I tell you what, I want to believe there is a miracle cure too. I really do.
Mass media - another conspiracy theorists favourite. I think for myself, it is my job to see through the nonsense people try convince me is accurate.
Follow the science, nothing else. As a conspiracy theory of any description covid is a non starter. | | | |
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