| Grammar Schools 15:02 - Jan 19 with 1366 views | onehunglow |
Were they better?
Did they provide a better education
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| Grammar Schools on 15:07 - Jan 19 with 931 views | trampie |
In Wales there are Welsh medium schools in the South East of Wales these schools are seen as being schools for the Welsh middle classes to attend, so Grammar schools not needed in Wales rightly or wrongly that niche has been filled. [Post edited 19 Jan 2021 15:12]
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| Grammar Schools on 15:11 - Jan 19 with 927 views | Whiterockin |
The flip side of Grammar schools were Secondary Modern schools, were they the graveyard of ambition? Did the 11 plus condemn pupils to mediocracy to early? [Post edited 19 Jan 2021 15:45]
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| Grammar Schools on 15:44 - Jan 19 with 888 views | Professor |
I may be the only poster with a child currently in a Grammar School, though I know OHL's children did too. I think selection is not a bad thing, it's done informally in the local Comp too, where my daughter went. Other countries, notably Germany, also use selection. However as Whiterockin suggests, this can be an issue if the non-Grammar secondary schools are poor. I live on the Cheshire:Wirral border. Cheshire is non-elective, whereas Wirral is. Here we can take the Cheshire or Wirral option for schools and much healthcare. My son's school has been brilliant for him, despite special educational needs, though his friend who went to a different grammar has much less support. By most benchmarks the Wirral Grammars are very good schools, but for those who fail eleven plus it's a lottery. Lots come to my local school as the Cheshire Comps are generally good.
So my thoughts are
1. Selection is good, as long as the option for the less academically able is equally as valid and resourced. No reason in my mind that there is not the capacity to develop more vocational and technical-based schools and qualifications. High marks in these should be a route to University too
2. Selection is too young. The eleven plus (taken by most at 10) is enormous pressure on youngsters. We don't have middle schools much in the UK, but perhaps 9-13 should be educated more formally than primaries offer. Certainly the selection could be later
3. Selection still favours the better off. Tutoring is key to passing the eleven plus for many. I forked out close to a grand for this. Surely there is a better assessment?
So I am not against election, as long as the alternative for those less academic is viable and properly supported.
Always feel I did OK despite my education | | | |
| Grammar Schools on 15:47 - Jan 19 with 870 views | Whiterockin |
| Grammar Schools on 15:44 - Jan 19 by Professor |
I may be the only poster with a child currently in a Grammar School, though I know OHL's children did too. I think selection is not a bad thing, it's done informally in the local Comp too, where my daughter went. Other countries, notably Germany, also use selection. However as Whiterockin suggests, this can be an issue if the non-Grammar secondary schools are poor. I live on the Cheshire:Wirral border. Cheshire is non-elective, whereas Wirral is. Here we can take the Cheshire or Wirral option for schools and much healthcare. My son's school has been brilliant for him, despite special educational needs, though his friend who went to a different grammar has much less support. By most benchmarks the Wirral Grammars are very good schools, but for those who fail eleven plus it's a lottery. Lots come to my local school as the Cheshire Comps are generally good.
So my thoughts are
1. Selection is good, as long as the option for the less academically able is equally as valid and resourced. No reason in my mind that there is not the capacity to develop more vocational and technical-based schools and qualifications. High marks in these should be a route to University too
2. Selection is too young. The eleven plus (taken by most at 10) is enormous pressure on youngsters. We don't have middle schools much in the UK, but perhaps 9-13 should be educated more formally than primaries offer. Certainly the selection could be later
3. Selection still favours the better off. Tutoring is key to passing the eleven plus for many. I forked out close to a grand for this. Surely there is a better assessment?
So I am not against election, as long as the alternative for those less academic is viable and properly supported.
Always feel I did OK despite my education |
Agree 100% and couldn't have put it any better. | | | |
| Grammar Schools on 15:56 - Jan 19 with 854 views | onehunglow |
| Grammar Schools on 15:11 - Jan 19 by Whiterockin |
The flip side of Grammar schools were Secondary Modern schools, were they the graveyard of ambition? Did the 11 plus condemn pupils to mediocracy to early? [Post edited 19 Jan 2021 15:45]
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Possibly,unless a lad was destined for a trade in which case it was ideal.
Grammar school were run like old minor English public schools and there was snob value in them.
I detested mine.
Comprehensives cn be fine .
I had one child who went to Grammar,one who didnt ;both did well. Both got same 12 GCSE | |
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| Grammar Schools on 15:58 - Jan 19 with 853 views | onehunglow |
| Grammar Schools on 15:44 - Jan 19 by Professor |
I may be the only poster with a child currently in a Grammar School, though I know OHL's children did too. I think selection is not a bad thing, it's done informally in the local Comp too, where my daughter went. Other countries, notably Germany, also use selection. However as Whiterockin suggests, this can be an issue if the non-Grammar secondary schools are poor. I live on the Cheshire:Wirral border. Cheshire is non-elective, whereas Wirral is. Here we can take the Cheshire or Wirral option for schools and much healthcare. My son's school has been brilliant for him, despite special educational needs, though his friend who went to a different grammar has much less support. By most benchmarks the Wirral Grammars are very good schools, but for those who fail eleven plus it's a lottery. Lots come to my local school as the Cheshire Comps are generally good.
So my thoughts are
1. Selection is good, as long as the option for the less academically able is equally as valid and resourced. No reason in my mind that there is not the capacity to develop more vocational and technical-based schools and qualifications. High marks in these should be a route to University too
2. Selection is too young. The eleven plus (taken by most at 10) is enormous pressure on youngsters. We don't have middle schools much in the UK, but perhaps 9-13 should be educated more formally than primaries offer. Certainly the selection could be later
3. Selection still favours the better off. Tutoring is key to passing the eleven plus for many. I forked out close to a grand for this. Surely there is a better assessment?
So I am not against election, as long as the alternative for those less academic is viable and properly supported.
Always feel I did OK despite my education |
Great posting Paul but daughter went to Wallasey school,out of choice. he didnt fancy West Kirby Girls. She must have a little lefty in her. | |
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| Grammar Schools on 15:58 - Jan 19 with 851 views | exhmrc1 |
| Grammar Schools on 15:47 - Jan 19 by Whiterockin |
Agree 100% and couldn't have put it any better. |
Having been to both i would definitely choose the comprehensive. Good comps work very well together with good 6th form colleges.
They work for all pupils not jest the chosen few. | | | |
| Grammar Schools on 15:59 - Jan 19 with 851 views | onehunglow |
| Grammar Schools on 15:44 - Jan 19 by Professor |
I may be the only poster with a child currently in a Grammar School, though I know OHL's children did too. I think selection is not a bad thing, it's done informally in the local Comp too, where my daughter went. Other countries, notably Germany, also use selection. However as Whiterockin suggests, this can be an issue if the non-Grammar secondary schools are poor. I live on the Cheshire:Wirral border. Cheshire is non-elective, whereas Wirral is. Here we can take the Cheshire or Wirral option for schools and much healthcare. My son's school has been brilliant for him, despite special educational needs, though his friend who went to a different grammar has much less support. By most benchmarks the Wirral Grammars are very good schools, but for those who fail eleven plus it's a lottery. Lots come to my local school as the Cheshire Comps are generally good.
So my thoughts are
1. Selection is good, as long as the option for the less academically able is equally as valid and resourced. No reason in my mind that there is not the capacity to develop more vocational and technical-based schools and qualifications. High marks in these should be a route to University too
2. Selection is too young. The eleven plus (taken by most at 10) is enormous pressure on youngsters. We don't have middle schools much in the UK, but perhaps 9-13 should be educated more formally than primaries offer. Certainly the selection could be later
3. Selection still favours the better off. Tutoring is key to passing the eleven plus for many. I forked out close to a grand for this. Surely there is a better assessment?
So I am not against election, as long as the alternative for those less academic is viable and properly supported.
Always feel I did OK despite my education |
You've excelled FFS.Don't be humble mun.
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| Grammar Schools on 16:13 - Jan 19 with 831 views | trampie |
| Grammar Schools on 15:59 - Jan 19 by onehunglow |
You've excelled FFS.Don't be humble mun.
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He's only following his preordained path mun, he didn't even know about Wigan Pathetic back story efforts to get in the football league mun. | |
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| Grammar Schools on 16:22 - Jan 19 with 819 views | KeithHaynes |
Lead singer of Madness went to Haverfordwest grammar school, and look what happened to him. |  |
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| Grammar Schools on 16:33 - Jan 19 with 805 views | Professor |
| Grammar Schools on 16:22 - Jan 19 by KeithHaynes |
Lead singer of Madness went to Haverfordwest grammar school, and look what happened to him. |
My boy's school has many distinguished alumni-oddly loads in bands:
OMD, 2/3 of Clean Bandit, The Coral.
Theresa May's husband.
Ray Stubbs
6th Form- Sam Quek and Danile Craig.
The late Sir David Weatherall-editor the biggest selling medical textbook. He was a lovely guy, his office was next to the lab I worked in at Oxford | | | |
| Grammar Schools on 18:26 - Jan 19 with 765 views | Boundy |
Answer to the OP IMO yes they were better
I still feel the disappointment even now of failing my 11 + , but I'd don't believe it held me back , the only one who would have done that would be me . | |
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| Grammar Schools on 19:13 - Jan 19 with 732 views | britferry |
| Grammar Schools on 15:11 - Jan 19 by Whiterockin |
The flip side of Grammar schools were Secondary Modern schools, were they the graveyard of ambition? Did the 11 plus condemn pupils to mediocracy to early? [Post edited 19 Jan 2021 15:45]
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I would have failed the 11 plus, I only started to pull my finger out when I got to Comp, so I wouldn't have ended up in the occupation that I did | |
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| Grammar Schools on 19:18 - Jan 19 with 725 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Grammar Schools on 15:58 - Jan 19 by exhmrc1 |
Having been to both i would definitely choose the comprehensive. Good comps work very well together with good 6th form colleges.
They work for all pupils not jest the chosen few. |
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| Grammar Schools on 19:28 - Jan 19 with 712 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Grammar Schools on 15:58 - Jan 19 by exhmrc1 |
Having been to both i would definitely choose the comprehensive. Good comps work very well together with good 6th form colleges.
They work for all pupils not jest the chosen few. |
Trouble is there two many bad comprehensives where the able are held back by the many who are not interested in learning. | |
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| Grammar Schools on 19:32 - Jan 19 with 711 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Grammar Schools on 19:28 - Jan 19 by felixstowe_jack |
Trouble is there two many bad comprehensives where the able are held back by the many who are not interested in learning. |
Too many .... 😎 | |
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| Grammar Schools on 20:08 - Jan 19 with 686 views | onehunglow |
| Grammar Schools on 16:33 - Jan 19 by Professor |
My boy's school has many distinguished alumni-oddly loads in bands:
OMD, 2/3 of Clean Bandit, The Coral.
Theresa May's husband.
Ray Stubbs
6th Form- Sam Quek and Danile Craig.
The late Sir David Weatherall-editor the biggest selling medical textbook. He was a lovely guy, his office was next to the lab I worked in at Oxford |
Some nice houses around the school Paul.Ideal for you | |
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| Grammar Schools on 20:10 - Jan 19 with 683 views | Neath_Jack |
| Grammar Schools on 19:32 - Jan 19 by Kilkennyjack |
Too many .... 😎 |
Fantastic wasn't it.
Must have studied at a shite comp  |  |
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| Grammar Schools on 20:42 - Jan 19 with 666 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Grammar Schools on 20:10 - Jan 19 by Neath_Jack |
Fantastic wasn't it.
Must have studied at a shite comp |
😂😂 | |
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| Grammar Schools on 21:24 - Jan 19 with 646 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Grammar Schools on 19:32 - Jan 19 by Kilkennyjack |
Too many .... 😎 |
Correct too many full stops you only need one.  | |
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| Grammar Schools on 21:29 - Jan 19 with 631 views | raynor94 |
| Grammar Schools on 19:32 - Jan 19 by Kilkennyjack |
Too many .... 😎 |
So obviously superior, where were you educated Kilk? |  |
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| Grammar Schools on 21:31 - Jan 19 with 635 views | Neath_Jack |
| Grammar Schools on 21:29 - Jan 19 by raynor94 |
So obviously superior, where were you educated Kilk? |
Read what he quoted, Felix was trying to be clever, and inevitably messed it up.
Nothing to do with him trying to be superior. | |
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| Grammar Schools on 22:09 - Jan 19 with 594 views | raynor94 |
| Grammar Schools on 21:31 - Jan 19 by Neath_Jack |
Read what he quoted, Felix was trying to be clever, and inevitably messed it up.
Nothing to do with him trying to be superior. |
Well you obviously haven't read many of his posts on here.
You really do love to pick me up on here, I feel quite honoured to honest  | |
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| Grammar Schools on 22:35 - Jan 19 with 591 views | BarrySwan |
| Grammar Schools on 15:07 - Jan 19 by trampie |
In Wales there are Welsh medium schools in the South East of Wales these schools are seen as being schools for the Welsh middle classes to attend, so Grammar schools not needed in Wales rightly or wrongly that niche has been filled. [Post edited 19 Jan 2021 15:12]
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I'm clearly too thick to understand what the above even means | | | |
| Grammar Schools on 22:36 - Jan 19 with 584 views | trampie |
| Grammar Schools on 22:35 - Jan 19 by BarrySwan |
I'm clearly too thick to understand what the above even means |
I wouldn't worry about it . | |
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