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...why, oh why, are the Democrats doing every possible thing they can to stop the State legislature (who has responsibility for overseeing elections in Arizona) from completing a full forensic audit?
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 09:18 - Jul 17 with 1015 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 22:38 - Jul 16 by A_Fans_Dad
Perhaps if you had bothered your backside and watched the presentation to the Arizona Senate you would not be making stupid snide remarks. What am I saying, it is you, you don't do anything sensible like that you prefer to read the Guardian etc.
Ok, just for clarity going forward, you’re confident that Biden lost by 74,000+ votes?
You’ve based this on the first figure the auditors have released, even though they’ve said themselves that the audit is incomplete and further investigation is needed?
The audit is already a couple of month over the time the auditors thought they needed, and the minute they release their first figure they come up with you present it as fact?
Any of that incorrect?
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 12:16 - Jul 17 with 976 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 09:18 - Jul 17 by Gwyn737
Ok, just for clarity going forward, you’re confident that Biden lost by 74,000+ votes?
You’ve based this on the first figure the auditors have released, even though they’ve said themselves that the audit is incomplete and further investigation is needed?
The audit is already a couple of month over the time the auditors thought they needed, and the minute they release their first figure they come up with you present it as fact?
Any of that incorrect?
Yes it is way over time and do you know why? Because the SOS refused to comply with requests for any information. The Auditors had to backtrack and do all of it themselves. Even now the SOS are still refusing to hand over data. The 74000 represents Postal Ballot papers that were recorded during the Election count which were not sent out by the authorities. Perhaps you have a good reson for that being allowed to happen? The Arizona Senator has seen enough evidence to call for a re-election, but you obviously know better. OK
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 13:11 - Jul 17 with 966 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 12:16 - Jul 17 by A_Fans_Dad
Yes it is way over time and do you know why? Because the SOS refused to comply with requests for any information. The Auditors had to backtrack and do all of it themselves. Even now the SOS are still refusing to hand over data. The 74000 represents Postal Ballot papers that were recorded during the Election count which were not sent out by the authorities. Perhaps you have a good reson for that being allowed to happen? The Arizona Senator has seen enough evidence to call for a re-election, but you obviously know better. OK
Are you sticking to the 74k error? (Bearing in mind it’s unknown how this figure was calculated i.e. dismissing early/absentee ballots.)
Let’s assume this turns out to be correct…
Would you then accept my findings if I raised millions of dollars to hire a firm with no previous election audit experience with a clear MO to reverse the findings?
As part of their processes, my firm will work out their methodology by using a chap who invented an unsuccessful scanner (shaped like a cat) and has most recently and ironically been searching for a mythical object, like a right wing Indiana Jones.
My firm will not share their methodologies however, so when numbers are shared it’s impossible to directly refute as no one know how they were calculated.
They’ll make sure nobody has the correct information by conducting some of the work in a private bunker somewhere out of state, breaking any security chain.
Oh, I’ll expect officials to comply with every request and when they don’t I’ll make it sound that their handing something.
Would you accept my audit report?
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 15:04 - Jul 17 with 942 views
It's strange all this noise from the usual suspects yet we heard NOT ONE WORD when now Governor Kemp of Georgia controlled the election for the governership (he was Raffensperger predecesor)... a race he was running in. He then deleted the database after the election - there is no paper trail and therefore no audit trail.
So to recap, he setup and ran the election won (?) the election, then DELETED everything so he could not be challenged/audited... and you all stayed schtum. Hmmm.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 15:13 - Jul 17 with 938 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 13:11 - Jul 17 by Gwyn737
Are you sticking to the 74k error? (Bearing in mind it’s unknown how this figure was calculated i.e. dismissing early/absentee ballots.)
Let’s assume this turns out to be correct…
Would you then accept my findings if I raised millions of dollars to hire a firm with no previous election audit experience with a clear MO to reverse the findings?
As part of their processes, my firm will work out their methodology by using a chap who invented an unsuccessful scanner (shaped like a cat) and has most recently and ironically been searching for a mythical object, like a right wing Indiana Jones.
My firm will not share their methodologies however, so when numbers are shared it’s impossible to directly refute as no one know how they were calculated.
They’ll make sure nobody has the correct information by conducting some of the work in a private bunker somewhere out of state, breaking any security chain.
Oh, I’ll expect officials to comply with every request and when they don’t I’ll make it sound that their handing something.
Would you accept my audit report?
WATCH THE SENATE MEETING VIDEO. Instead of spouting crap.
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 15:34 - Jul 17 with 934 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 15:34 - Jul 17 by Gwyn737
Would you accept the outcome of my audit?
If not, there’s no amount of videos worth watching.
If your audit was videod 24/7 every step of the way and documented 100% at every stage with forensic analysis with observers why wouldn't I believe your audit . Because that is what they did, every single step, every piece of information checked, copied, a forensic copy locked away for auditing the audit. If you did the same I would also believe you because everything you did and say can be independently checked. You read the MSM about this being some kind of mickey mouse audit by mickey mouse auditors when the truth is the exact opposite.
Everybody who has seen the audit wants all future audits to be conducted in that way. Not simply recounting the same fraudulant ballots to get the same fraudulant result.
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 17:11 - Jul 17 with 906 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 16:53 - Jul 17 by A_Fans_Dad
If your audit was videod 24/7 every step of the way and documented 100% at every stage with forensic analysis with observers why wouldn't I believe your audit . Because that is what they did, every single step, every piece of information checked, copied, a forensic copy locked away for auditing the audit. If you did the same I would also believe you because everything you did and say can be independently checked. You read the MSM about this being some kind of mickey mouse audit by mickey mouse auditors when the truth is the exact opposite.
Everybody who has seen the audit wants all future audits to be conducted in that way. Not simply recounting the same fraudulant ballots to get the same fraudulant result.
Ok. I’ll wait for the 74k miscount to be confirmed and well go from there.
Are the recordings available from when the audit moved out of state? If so pop a link up for me to see.
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 17:11 - Jul 17 by Gwyn737
Ok. I’ll wait for the 74k miscount to be confirmed and well go from there.
Are the recordings available from when the audit moved out of state? If so pop a link up for me to see.
They will be presented to the Senate when that part is complete. But the overall audit will never be complete because the Maricopa Election Board refuses to hand over routers & passwords etc. But I think they alreaday have enough information for the Senate to make their decisions.
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 17:42 - Jul 17 with 887 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 17:35 - Jul 17 by A_Fans_Dad
They will be presented to the Senate when that part is complete. But the overall audit will never be complete because the Maricopa Election Board refuses to hand over routers & passwords etc. But I think they alreaday have enough information for the Senate to make their decisions.
That’s good.
You still haven’t answered my question though. Would you accept my follow up audit?
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 17:49 - Jul 17 with 884 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 17:35 - Jul 17 by A_Fans_Dad
They will be presented to the Senate when that part is complete. But the overall audit will never be complete because the Maricopa Election Board refuses to hand over routers & passwords etc. But I think they alreaday have enough information for the Senate to make their decisions.
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 18:02 - Jul 17 with 879 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 17:42 - Jul 17 by Gwyn737
That’s good.
You still haven’t answered my question though. Would you accept my follow up audit?
I'm ignoring that I'm ignoring him for now, this Brian Kemp, isn't he the fella Trump accused of letting the Democrats win by refusing to "find" 12000 more votes as Trump had instructed him to do?
Trump turned on the Georgia Republicans because they wouldn't do as he said. OK so it's not just Democrats cheating him, it's his own party too, would that be fair to say?
This just begs one final question, why is this still being argued so long after the event? Trump won't win, he can't prove cheating and EVERY court he has gone to has thrown his case out. Yet some people are still going on about this?
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 18:02 - Jul 17 by Catullus
I'm ignoring that I'm ignoring him for now, this Brian Kemp, isn't he the fella Trump accused of letting the Democrats win by refusing to "find" 12000 more votes as Trump had instructed him to do?
Trump turned on the Georgia Republicans because they wouldn't do as he said. OK so it's not just Democrats cheating him, it's his own party too, would that be fair to say?
This just begs one final question, why is this still being argued so long after the event? Trump won't win, he can't prove cheating and EVERY court he has gone to has thrown his case out. Yet some people are still going on about this?
It was both Raffensperger And Kemp and they areboth going to need lawyers. Yes it is not "his party" he won on a republican ticket without any support from them. Trump is winning, you just don't see it, he is no longer the one looking to the courts to prove cheating, it is now the electorate who know they have been cheated. Plus there are still ourstanding law suits.
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 18:02 - Jul 17 by Catullus
I'm ignoring that I'm ignoring him for now, this Brian Kemp, isn't he the fella Trump accused of letting the Democrats win by refusing to "find" 12000 more votes as Trump had instructed him to do?
Trump turned on the Georgia Republicans because they wouldn't do as he said. OK so it's not just Democrats cheating him, it's his own party too, would that be fair to say?
This just begs one final question, why is this still being argued so long after the event? Trump won't win, he can't prove cheating and EVERY court he has gone to has thrown his case out. Yet some people are still going on about this?
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 18:15 - Jul 17 by A_Fans_Dad
It was both Raffensperger And Kemp and they areboth going to need lawyers. Yes it is not "his party" he won on a republican ticket without any support from them. Trump is winning, you just don't see it, he is no longer the one looking to the courts to prove cheating, it is now the electorate who know they have been cheated. Plus there are still ourstanding law suits.
The GOP still do not support Trump, they are using his name to try and get cash from Republican voters for the 2022 elections. But they do not want Trump, just his voters and their cash, which they won't get.
Did they support him just before the so called Capitol Building insurrection over the stolen election? Did they hell.
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 19:33 - Jul 17 with 860 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 18:31 - Jul 17 by Gwyn737
This is what happens now. If people can’t use the correct channels or process to get their own way they introduce chaos.
Chaos can be difficult to disprove and sometimes the more bizarre the harder it is.
This fraudit is an example that is so out there it’s hard to counter.
At least we can be sure that it make no difference at all. The idea that this will lead to Trump being reinstated is the most ridiculous thing of all.
What are you talking about?
There are 74,000+ postal votes received in Arizona that the state has no record of sending out. The Audit leaders (including some Democrats and Independents) have stated that this is tallying with all data examined so far.
This is fraud Gwyn, and you are defending it.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 19:39 - Jul 17 with 856 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 18:02 - Jul 17 by Catullus
I'm ignoring that I'm ignoring him for now, this Brian Kemp, isn't he the fella Trump accused of letting the Democrats win by refusing to "find" 12000 more votes as Trump had instructed him to do?
Trump turned on the Georgia Republicans because they wouldn't do as he said. OK so it's not just Democrats cheating him, it's his own party too, would that be fair to say?
This just begs one final question, why is this still being argued so long after the event? Trump won't win, he can't prove cheating and EVERY court he has gone to has thrown his case out. Yet some people are still going on about this?
You are talking rubbish, everybody needs to listen to the full unedited call;
Trump merely states that Kemp already has the evidence to throw out votes...he doesn't ask him to magic up some extra votes and anybody who says he does is either lying or repeating a lie.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 19:43 - Jul 17 with 853 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 19:33 - Jul 17 by Ajack_Kerouac
What are you talking about?
There are 74,000+ postal votes received in Arizona that the state has no record of sending out. The Audit leaders (including some Democrats and Independents) have stated that this is tallying with all data examined so far.
This is fraud Gwyn, and you are defending it.
Of course he is defending it, that has been his position since the Election when I presented masses of data showing the fraud. They all ignored it then and will never admit they were wrong.
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 19:49 - Jul 17 with 851 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 19:43 - Jul 17 by A_Fans_Dad
Of course he is defending it, that has been his position since the Election when I presented masses of data showing the fraud. They all ignored it then and will never admit they were wrong.
This is where we differ.
If fraud is proved in court I’ll admit I was wrong. I’ll apologise too.
I get the impression you’ll never say you were wrong.
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 20:05 - Jul 17 with 849 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 19:49 - Jul 17 by Gwyn737
This is where we differ.
If fraud is proved in court I’ll admit I was wrong. I’ll apologise too.
I get the impression you’ll never say you were wrong.
I have admitted to being wrong many times on here when proved wrong. I showed you video evidence of 3 women running the same batches of ballots through counting machines multiple times and you ignored it then as you ignore it now. To prove a case's evidence in a Court of Law it has to be allowed to be presented, that has not happened in most cases due to "technicallities". When the Supreme Court responds to 19 US States questioning the affect of voter fraud on their state's input to the election with you have no standing to bring this case you know something is wrong. Because that is the exact reason for the existance of the Supreme Court.
There have been many court cases won recently, which is how the Auditors have obtained the material to audit, you didn't think that the counties in question willingly gave it to them do you? Surely you are not that out of touch with what has been happening in the US are you?
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 20:13 - Jul 17 with 847 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 20:05 - Jul 17 by A_Fans_Dad
I have admitted to being wrong many times on here when proved wrong. I showed you video evidence of 3 women running the same batches of ballots through counting machines multiple times and you ignored it then as you ignore it now. To prove a case's evidence in a Court of Law it has to be allowed to be presented, that has not happened in most cases due to "technicallities". When the Supreme Court responds to 19 US States questioning the affect of voter fraud on their state's input to the election with you have no standing to bring this case you know something is wrong. Because that is the exact reason for the existance of the Supreme Court.
There have been many court cases won recently, which is how the Auditors have obtained the material to audit, you didn't think that the counties in question willingly gave it to them do you? Surely you are not that out of touch with what has been happening in the US are you?
My stance is pretty much exactly the same as Dr. P’s.
I refer to his previous answer and will bow out until things become clearer.
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 20:24 - Jul 17 with 842 views
Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 20:13 - Jul 17 by Gwyn737
My stance is pretty much exactly the same as Dr. P’s.
I refer to his previous answer and will bow out until things become clearer.
Yes, good old Dr. P, the expert on all things American and political. Who espouses to only using original sources for his data and opinions and yet gives an opinion on the Election Fraud without apparently actually looking at the evidence for election fraud. I know him well.
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Arizona - Maricopa County Election Audit on 21:43 - Jul 17 with 830 views
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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