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 Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success 15th May 2021 11:12Swansea City had a dabble or two in the MLS over the last January transfer window. Jordan Morris and Paul Arriola are well documented, and the chances taken on them on the other side of the Atlantic proved fruitless. They are both now back in the USA. However, and very quietly, one Orlando City loanee in a Barnsley shirt has played nineteen games since his arrival in January, and has scored nine goals. He is what we call a proper ‘danger man’  0
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 10:46 - May 16 with 616 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 07:47 - May 16 by 34dfgdf54 |
What are you waffling on about again? When the discussion was going on about not getting a 9 in the window, you specifically said you wanted examples, I gave you a few then, and this player again firmly shows there were options around that’s all.
I’m sure, but I haven’t checked yet, that you also asked for examples of MLS players who come over here and do well other than the big names due to standard/intensity difference. Here’s another one.
You get proven wrong time and time again, and then angrily go off on one. It’s amusing. |
Proven wrong? Where? All I hear is you banging on about how I am proven wrong yet never demonstrate how. Usually it's down t you completely not understanding what has been said, or indeed just making it up to suit that narrative.
Nobody has said American players can't make it over here - no matter how hard you try to claim otherwise. Nobody. I have never once even remotely stated nobody from the MLS can make it over here, simply because I don't and never have held that opinion - you are making things up.
What many have correctly said is that Arriola has shown nothing in his career to suggest he can play at this level, which is why he is still there at 26 years old and someone like Dike will be long gone from there before he is 21/22.
As for examples of number 9's, I asked for examples of number 9's without the benefit of hindsight. Players we can actually sign... Dike is not one of them. Any idiot can angrily look at players who have succeeded and say ''we should have gone for them''. But unless you were stating you wanted them at the time, I have zero interest in that.
It's moronic, but that isn't a surprise anymore. [Post edited 16 May 2021 10:50]
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 12:07 - May 16 with 583 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 10:46 - May 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
Proven wrong? Where? All I hear is you banging on about how I am proven wrong yet never demonstrate how. Usually it's down t you completely not understanding what has been said, or indeed just making it up to suit that narrative.
Nobody has said American players can't make it over here - no matter how hard you try to claim otherwise. Nobody. I have never once even remotely stated nobody from the MLS can make it over here, simply because I don't and never have held that opinion - you are making things up.
What many have correctly said is that Arriola has shown nothing in his career to suggest he can play at this level, which is why he is still there at 26 years old and someone like Dike will be long gone from there before he is 21/22.
As for examples of number 9's, I asked for examples of number 9's without the benefit of hindsight. Players we can actually sign... Dike is not one of them. Any idiot can angrily look at players who have succeeded and say ''we should have gone for them''. But unless you were stating you wanted them at the time, I have zero interest in that.
It's moronic, but that isn't a surprise anymore. [Post edited 16 May 2021 10:50]
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I gave you those 9’s, without the benefit of hindsight, and now here we have another.
As for your opinion on MLS players, I’ll have a little gander later and be back in touch doc. Try to calm yourself down in the meantime. |  | | |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 12:34 - May 16 with 575 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 12:07 - May 16 by 34dfgdf54 |
I gave you those 9’s, without the benefit of hindsight, and now here we have another.
As for your opinion on MLS players, I’ll have a little gander later and be back in touch doc. Try to calm yourself down in the meantime. |
Another? This is with the obvious benefit of hindsight, plus having no clue how much he cost or why he went there. You are assuming we can sign anyone and everyone we please, it doesn’t work like that im afraid.
No need to gander at anything champ, I’m telling you what my opinion is and always has been regarding the MLS. But I’m glad you have walked back what was yet another incorrect assertion.
Now relax, Arriola is gone and Cooper disagrees with your thoughts on him (which aren’t based on anything). We are in the play-offs, enjoy it if you can. | |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 15:47 - May 16 with 544 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 12:34 - May 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
Another? This is with the obvious benefit of hindsight, plus having no clue how much he cost or why he went there. You are assuming we can sign anyone and everyone we please, it doesn’t work like that im afraid.
No need to gander at anything champ, I’m telling you what my opinion is and always has been regarding the MLS. But I’m glad you have walked back what was yet another incorrect assertion.
Now relax, Arriola is gone and Cooper disagrees with your thoughts on him (which aren’t based on anything). We are in the play-offs, enjoy it if you can. |
Oh ok then, you’re right. There were no centre forwards we could have signed. The ones I listed and now this one weren’t realistic.
Oh no, I’ll be having a gander kid. Signing MLS players very rarely work according to you.
Yes Cooper does disagree with me, no arguments there. Not the first, or the last, I like you thought Cabango should be playing in the SW Derby and other games but he’s got his starting XI and that’s that. I’ll try and enjoy play offs, but they are very tense affairs most of the time. Try to keep your hair on, I bet you was like a sh*t Boris Becker in your tennis days. | | | |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 15:58 - May 16 with 542 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 15:47 - May 16 by 34dfgdf54 |
Oh ok then, you’re right. There were no centre forwards we could have signed. The ones I listed and now this one weren’t realistic.
Oh no, I’ll be having a gander kid. Signing MLS players very rarely work according to you.
Yes Cooper does disagree with me, no arguments there. Not the first, or the last, I like you thought Cabango should be playing in the SW Derby and other games but he’s got his starting XI and that’s that. I’ll try and enjoy play offs, but they are very tense affairs most of the time. Try to keep your hair on, I bet you was like a sh*t Boris Becker in your tennis days. |
You are listing people that have already been signed by other clubs. I’m not sure which part of that you aren’t grasping? Picking players that have been signed by other clubs and saying “we should have signed them” is about as thick as it gets.
You can look to your hearts content champ, but no matter how hard you look you will never find what you claimed I said initially (I notice you have subtly changed it since)... simply because I didn’t. You are better off doing what you normally do and just pretending I said whatever you would like me to have said.
What I did say (and will continue to say until it changes) is the MLS is inferior (because it is) and signing players in their off season from there is rarely a good idea; especially when those signings are wanted due to the claim players are tired. Common sense really squire.
Bet you “were” like, not “was” like, your grasp of the English language is almost as bad as your grasp of what people are telling you... almost. You are enjoying the fact we succeeded this year as much as Arriola enjoys being told he isn’t good enough. Not very much. [Post edited 16 May 2021 16:16]
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 16:21 - May 16 with 537 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Prime example of an MLS “born” player excelling over there and struggling in proper leagues is striker Jozy Altidore (115 caps and 42 goals for USA).
15 in 37 for NY Redbulls, decent first season for the kid, earning him a move to Villarreal.
Scores 1 in 9 for them, can’t really get in their side so goes on loan to Xerez and doesn’t get a game there either, 0 in fact. Goes to Hull on loan and scores 1 in 28. Moves on to Bursaspor and scores 1 in 12.
Things not going well in England or Turkey so moves to AZ and has a good couple of seasons, before deciding to give English football another crack, with Sunderland this time.... scoring 1 in 42.
Gives up, moves back to the MLS and bangs 59 in 125 for Toronto.
That’s his level, as many in the MLS find. Some like Dike however are clearly far better than others and make it, Bocanegra is another, Maurice Edu another. Those players are the exceptions and not the standard fare, it’s certainly no conveyor belt and there are infinitely more players there not good enough for this level than are. Hence why the league is not a good one. [Post edited 16 May 2021 16:28]
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 18:27 - May 16 with 517 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 15:58 - May 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
You are listing people that have already been signed by other clubs. I’m not sure which part of that you aren’t grasping? Picking players that have been signed by other clubs and saying “we should have signed them” is about as thick as it gets.
You can look to your hearts content champ, but no matter how hard you look you will never find what you claimed I said initially (I notice you have subtly changed it since)... simply because I didn’t. You are better off doing what you normally do and just pretending I said whatever you would like me to have said.
What I did say (and will continue to say until it changes) is the MLS is inferior (because it is) and signing players in their off season from there is rarely a good idea; especially when those signings are wanted due to the claim players are tired. Common sense really squire.
Bet you “were” like, not “was” like, your grasp of the English language is almost as bad as your grasp of what people are telling you... almost. You are enjoying the fact we succeeded this year as much as Arriola enjoys being told he isn’t good enough. Not very much. [Post edited 16 May 2021 16:16]
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The point I’m making, and continuing to make, as it’s obvious unless you’re pretty dim (pardon the pun) that there were players, within our budget, out there. Zero doubt about it as other clubs have shown.
You said signing players from the MLS mid season very rarely works. Obviously Barnsley found one of the “exceptions”. You just used Altidore as an example, did he ever play Championship football? He never seemed much good from what I saw though to be honest.
I’ll always enjoy the Swans winning, have done for the last 25 plus years. Will I carry on giving my opinions on a manager even though it upsets Planet Swans very own John McEnroe? Absolutely, unless things change drastically under him. Connor Roberts even said himself on the most recent podcast with Elis James that the performances second half of the season have not warranted much praise. [Post edited 16 May 2021 18:33]
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 23:56 - May 16 with 496 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 18:27 - May 16 by 34dfgdf54 |
The point I’m making, and continuing to make, as it’s obvious unless you’re pretty dim (pardon the pun) that there were players, within our budget, out there. Zero doubt about it as other clubs have shown.
You said signing players from the MLS mid season very rarely works. Obviously Barnsley found one of the “exceptions”. You just used Altidore as an example, did he ever play Championship football? He never seemed much good from what I saw though to be honest.
I’ll always enjoy the Swans winning, have done for the last 25 plus years. Will I carry on giving my opinions on a manager even though it upsets Planet Swans very own John McEnroe? Absolutely, unless things change drastically under him. Connor Roberts even said himself on the most recent podcast with Elis James that the performances second half of the season have not warranted much praise. [Post edited 16 May 2021 18:33]
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But why are you having a go at our owners is what I want to know? They signed Morris, you seemed happy with that at the time. Now you aren’t?
Yeah so how can the obvious and factual statement of signing players from the MLS in their offseason rarely working... be interpreted as players from America can’t play in English football then? Still trying to work that out.
What you mean Altidore didn’t seem good? He has 100+ caps. Your reasoning for Arriola being good is that he has caps. I think you forget the points you make.
What has Connor Roberts’ comments got to do with anything? Our second half of our most successful season in our history under Laudrup also wasn’t worthy of much praise. That’s football, it’s about grinding out results.
This is our joint best Championship points tally ever, if you want to keep beating that Cooper drum because you have dug yourself into a hole then you go for it, but as you may tell, less and less are listening to the beat. | |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 07:59 - May 17 with 471 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 23:56 - May 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
But why are you having a go at our owners is what I want to know? They signed Morris, you seemed happy with that at the time. Now you aren’t?
Yeah so how can the obvious and factual statement of signing players from the MLS in their offseason rarely working... be interpreted as players from America can’t play in English football then? Still trying to work that out.
What you mean Altidore didn’t seem good? He has 100+ caps. Your reasoning for Arriola being good is that he has caps. I think you forget the points you make.
What has Connor Roberts’ comments got to do with anything? Our second half of our most successful season in our history under Laudrup also wasn’t worthy of much praise. That’s football, it’s about grinding out results.
This is our joint best Championship points tally ever, if you want to keep beating that Cooper drum because you have dug yourself into a hole then you go for it, but as you may tell, less and less are listening to the beat. |
Yeah we did sign Morris, centre forward, Gyokeres, Centre Forward, to compliment Lowe and Ayew who have scored more goals between them than a strikeforce of ours have scored in years. Which is why Cooper's constant digs regarding our owners not signing a centre forward is absolutely ridiculous isn't it, blame defelction, as I have pointed out from the day he said it.
It's worked pretty well for Barnsley hasn't it? Ariolla and Morris were good players aswell. Another one of your blanket statements which hasn't worked out for you. It's to be expected though.
Did Altidore play in the championship? Genuine question, I haven't bothered checking. Plenty of players don't make the grade, there have been Spanish internationals which haven't made the grade in the Premiership. Cut throat league. I can only comment on the boys we signed, Morris was impressive when he did play, Ariolla, again, quite obviously a better player than Yan Dhanda in AM where Cooper used him in most of the 17 (!!) minutes he played. His caps for his country show that. Let's hope Dhanda can impress in play offs to prove me wrong, as I stuck up for him in the past but he has been consistently poor for a while now.
Ah ok, Connor Roberts must have been talking nonsense because a failed tennis player said so on a football forum, that works. What he said was spot on.
I'm just saying what I have been saying all along. While Cooper has a job here opinions can change, the way he goes about things will have to change dramatically for me to be a fan though, if that upsets you, then sorry, as you seem to be listening the the beat hence being up all hours of the night replying to me. | | | |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 08:17 - May 17 with 460 views | vetchonian |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 07:59 - May 17 by 34dfgdf54 |
Yeah we did sign Morris, centre forward, Gyokeres, Centre Forward, to compliment Lowe and Ayew who have scored more goals between them than a strikeforce of ours have scored in years. Which is why Cooper's constant digs regarding our owners not signing a centre forward is absolutely ridiculous isn't it, blame defelction, as I have pointed out from the day he said it.
It's worked pretty well for Barnsley hasn't it? Ariolla and Morris were good players aswell. Another one of your blanket statements which hasn't worked out for you. It's to be expected though.
Did Altidore play in the championship? Genuine question, I haven't bothered checking. Plenty of players don't make the grade, there have been Spanish internationals which haven't made the grade in the Premiership. Cut throat league. I can only comment on the boys we signed, Morris was impressive when he did play, Ariolla, again, quite obviously a better player than Yan Dhanda in AM where Cooper used him in most of the 17 (!!) minutes he played. His caps for his country show that. Let's hope Dhanda can impress in play offs to prove me wrong, as I stuck up for him in the past but he has been consistently poor for a while now.
Ah ok, Connor Roberts must have been talking nonsense because a failed tennis player said so on a football forum, that works. What he said was spot on.
I'm just saying what I have been saying all along. While Cooper has a job here opinions can change, the way he goes about things will have to change dramatically for me to be a fan though, if that upsets you, then sorry, as you seem to be listening the the beat hence being up all hours of the night replying to me. |
As is everyone you are entitled to your opinion the issue is though you seem to go out of your way to find anything to discredit Cooper.For example using the recent Decaln John article to question Coopers man management ability. Yet when reasoned arguement was used to disprove those cliams you dissapeared. That is my probnlem and why I am often seen to defend Cooper..who has his faults but what annoys me is the "fabrication and distortion of reality to constantly attack the manager. | |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 08:48 - May 17 with 437 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 08:17 - May 17 by vetchonian |
As is everyone you are entitled to your opinion the issue is though you seem to go out of your way to find anything to discredit Cooper.For example using the recent Decaln John article to question Coopers man management ability. Yet when reasoned arguement was used to disprove those cliams you dissapeared. That is my probnlem and why I am often seen to defend Cooper..who has his faults but what annoys me is the "fabrication and distortion of reality to constantly attack the manager. |
My point was, and still is, that was the second player within a few weeks who talked in a negative tone regarding the manager. I never disappeared, my opinion just hasn't changed in the slightest so what's the point in going around in circles?
I was the same when Garry Monk was here when we came 8th in the Premier League, to be then shot down by the same people who call him a disaster now. | | | |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 08:57 - May 17 with 428 views | vetchonian |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 08:48 - May 17 by 34dfgdf54 |
My point was, and still is, that was the second player within a few weeks who talked in a negative tone regarding the manager. I never disappeared, my opinion just hasn't changed in the slightest so what's the point in going around in circles?
I was the same when Garry Monk was here when we came 8th in the Premier League, to be then shot down by the same people who call him a disaster now. |
John made no mention of Cooper in that article...I offered an explanation
Disgruntled player has an attack on club as Byers has done at Portsmouth despite no mention of Cooper you used it to have a go! | |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 08:57 - May 17 with 418 views | onehunglow |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 08:48 - May 17 by 34dfgdf54 |
My point was, and still is, that was the second player within a few weeks who talked in a negative tone regarding the manager. I never disappeared, my opinion just hasn't changed in the slightest so what's the point in going around in circles?
I was the same when Garry Monk was here when we came 8th in the Premier League, to be then shot down by the same people who call him a disaster now. |
Rememeber this.
You have to answer to nobody on here.You can post whatever you want as long a its it is within the sites conditions.If that means one detest a manager,player,owner or the stadium cat, then so be it.
Those seeing themselves as pre-eminent or more knowledgeable on here make me chortle into my porridge and cinnamon.
Cinnamon;now there's another example of taste.You likes it or you don't.
Wish I could comment but Im sticking to my self inflicted Steve Cooper ceasefire. | |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 09:07 - May 17 with 422 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 07:59 - May 17 by 34dfgdf54 |
Yeah we did sign Morris, centre forward, Gyokeres, Centre Forward, to compliment Lowe and Ayew who have scored more goals between them than a strikeforce of ours have scored in years. Which is why Cooper's constant digs regarding our owners not signing a centre forward is absolutely ridiculous isn't it, blame defelction, as I have pointed out from the day he said it.
It's worked pretty well for Barnsley hasn't it? Ariolla and Morris were good players aswell. Another one of your blanket statements which hasn't worked out for you. It's to be expected though.
Did Altidore play in the championship? Genuine question, I haven't bothered checking. Plenty of players don't make the grade, there have been Spanish internationals which haven't made the grade in the Premiership. Cut throat league. I can only comment on the boys we signed, Morris was impressive when he did play, Ariolla, again, quite obviously a better player than Yan Dhanda in AM where Cooper used him in most of the 17 (!!) minutes he played. His caps for his country show that. Let's hope Dhanda can impress in play offs to prove me wrong, as I stuck up for him in the past but he has been consistently poor for a while now.
Ah ok, Connor Roberts must have been talking nonsense because a failed tennis player said so on a football forum, that works. What he said was spot on.
I'm just saying what I have been saying all along. While Cooper has a job here opinions can change, the way he goes about things will have to change dramatically for me to be a fan though, if that upsets you, then sorry, as you seem to be listening the the beat hence being up all hours of the night replying to me. |
He isn’t digging about them not signing one, you have interpreted it that way because it suits your agenda. What he said is we haven’t really had one, that’s for several reasons including injury. You seem to be digging the owners though by stating they didn’t sign Dikes.
You have no idea if either are good players, you have hardly seen them. Morris looks to have a bit about him, but whether he could consistently make it at this level remains to be seen as both him and Arriola got injured before getting up to speed. It was questionable as to whether Arriola ever would.
Altidore has never played in the Championship no. But he’s played for several English clubs and struggled every time. He has also tried La Liga, Turkey and the Spanish second division. The only place he seems to be able to perform is the Dutch league and the MLS, which suggests it is about his level. The fact you don’t rate him and he has the international record he has suggests what you are basing your view on Arriola on is flawed.
I said what has what Conner said got to do with anything? I didn’t say he was talking nonsense, you again made that up - but that isn’t a surprise anymore is it. I stated plenty of seasons, some of our most successful in our history coincided with bad form in half of it. That’s football, get over it.
I am laughing at your beat, not listening to it. You are getting so frustrated you are resorting to personal remarks, ask your mate, they don’t work. You aren’t gaining an inch on this one either are you squire? | |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 09:11 - May 17 with 421 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 08:17 - May 17 by vetchonian |
As is everyone you are entitled to your opinion the issue is though you seem to go out of your way to find anything to discredit Cooper.For example using the recent Decaln John article to question Coopers man management ability. Yet when reasoned arguement was used to disprove those cliams you dissapeared. That is my probnlem and why I am often seen to defend Cooper..who has his faults but what annoys me is the "fabrication and distortion of reality to constantly attack the manager. |
Spot on, it’s embarrassing. Sub par players moaning because the manager didn’t pick them, as if that’s a phenomenon unique to Cooper and not a part of modern football for decades.
Potentially 3 games from returning to the Premier League and people doing their best to undermine the manager. Thankfully finishing 6th then 4th has shown that nonsense exactly for what it is.
For shame. | |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 09:47 - May 17 with 414 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 09:07 - May 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
He isn’t digging about them not signing one, you have interpreted it that way because it suits your agenda. What he said is we haven’t really had one, that’s for several reasons including injury. You seem to be digging the owners though by stating they didn’t sign Dikes.
You have no idea if either are good players, you have hardly seen them. Morris looks to have a bit about him, but whether he could consistently make it at this level remains to be seen as both him and Arriola got injured before getting up to speed. It was questionable as to whether Arriola ever would.
Altidore has never played in the Championship no. But he’s played for several English clubs and struggled every time. He has also tried La Liga, Turkey and the Spanish second division. The only place he seems to be able to perform is the Dutch league and the MLS, which suggests it is about his level. The fact you don’t rate him and he has the international record he has suggests what you are basing your view on Arriola on is flawed.
I said what has what Conner said got to do with anything? I didn’t say he was talking nonsense, you again made that up - but that isn’t a surprise anymore is it. I stated plenty of seasons, some of our most successful in our history coincided with bad form in half of it. That’s football, get over it.
I am laughing at your beat, not listening to it. You are getting so frustrated you are resorting to personal remarks, ask your mate, they don’t work. You aren’t gaining an inch on this one either are you squire? |
Of course he's digging them out for not signing one, you must be seriously delusional if you can't see that. He made another comment the other day about relying on the "recruitment team", he deflects blame, he does it regularly. Again, with Dikes, you misinterpret what I say, purposely, there were examples out there, players there we could sign. He's also an example of a MLS player being signed in their off season and being a success, which completely contradicts what you say regularly.
We disagree about Ariolla that's fine. I believe he's better than other options we have on bench and would be a decent option, you don't, again that's fine. My gripe is he was brought in and ignored by the manager who seems to be at odds with his recruitment team. I said it on the day we signed him due to Cooper's comments, and Ariolla's commemts afterwards completely back me up.
Altidore was in the Eredivisie team of the season. Scoring braces against the likes of Ajax etc. I haven't seen him enough to know what he would be like in the second division of English football. He obviously struggled in Premier League, the vast majority do.
Of course what Connor Roberts says matters, he said the performances have not been good enough. The players have no issue with the criticism that has come their way, you do though by the seems, you're going to need to get over it.
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 10:06 - May 17 with 395 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 09:47 - May 17 by 34dfgdf54 |
Of course he's digging them out for not signing one, you must be seriously delusional if you can't see that. He made another comment the other day about relying on the "recruitment team", he deflects blame, he does it regularly. Again, with Dikes, you misinterpret what I say, purposely, there were examples out there, players there we could sign. He's also an example of a MLS player being signed in their off season and being a success, which completely contradicts what you say regularly.
We disagree about Ariolla that's fine. I believe he's better than other options we have on bench and would be a decent option, you don't, again that's fine. My gripe is he was brought in and ignored by the manager who seems to be at odds with his recruitment team. I said it on the day we signed him due to Cooper's comments, and Ariolla's commemts afterwards completely back me up.
Altidore was in the Eredivisie team of the season. Scoring braces against the likes of Ajax etc. I haven't seen him enough to know what he would be like in the second division of English football. He obviously struggled in Premier League, the vast majority do.
Of course what Connor Roberts says matters, he said the performances have not been good enough. The players have no issue with the criticism that has come their way, you do though by the seems, you're going to need to get over it.
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No, you want him to have been doing that so you can yet again turn whatever statement he makes into one that suits a very unpleasant narrative.
What you are very transparently doing is using a $20m rated striker’s nationality and saying “see, Arriola probably would have been good too”. It’s just ludicrous and had to make up a host of comments I or others supposedly said in order to justify what is a completely bizarre and unrelated situation.
How has Dike being a success contradicted my point regarding it being rarely a good idea to sign players from the MLS in their off season? Isn’t he the perfect example of such a rarity proving that comment spot on? You seem to have a lack of understanding of what “unlikely” and “rarely” means, they mean they happen - but not often.
I haven’t said I don’t think Arriola is a decent option, I said there is no evidence of that. It’s quite the difference, you may well be right, hence why I asked you what you were basing it on. You didn’t seem to know. The fact he’s still there at 26 with fans of that league clearly stating his shortcomings, I think there is more evidence to say he wouldn’t be good than would be.
You can say your gripe was that he was ignored by the manager if you like, but that would be false. He played 2 of the 7 games he was here. Not thinking he is good enough and ignoring him is not the same thing, yet again you conflate the two in order to further your narrative.
You said you didn’t rate Altidore and didn’t think he was very good. The Spanish second division team agreed with you too... he has had success in Holland and America struggling to make it elsewhere, that’s because the two leagues are similar in overall standard, it’s poor.
I didn’t say what Roberts says doesn’t matter, I asked why it matters, again I’m very careful with my words and you need to start paying attention to them. Correcting you changing my sentences every post is wasting both our time. What Roberts said is absolutely valid, however that’s football and nothing out of the ordinary. As stated, our most successful season in our history under Laudrup we were pretty awful from Feb onwards.... overall it was an incredible season worthy of great praise.
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 10:06 - May 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
No, you want him to have been doing that so you can yet again turn whatever statement he makes into one that suits a very unpleasant narrative.
What you are very transparently doing is using a $20m rated striker’s nationality and saying “see, Arriola probably would have been good too”. It’s just ludicrous and had to make up a host of comments I or others supposedly said in order to justify what is a completely bizarre and unrelated situation.
How has Dike being a success contradicted my point regarding it being rarely a good idea to sign players from the MLS in their off season? Isn’t he the perfect example of such a rarity proving that comment spot on? You seem to have a lack of understanding of what “unlikely” and “rarely” means, they mean they happen - but not often.
I haven’t said I don’t think Arriola is a decent option, I said there is no evidence of that. It’s quite the difference, you may well be right, hence why I asked you what you were basing it on. You didn’t seem to know. The fact he’s still there at 26 with fans of that league clearly stating his shortcomings, I think there is more evidence to say he wouldn’t be good than would be.
You can say your gripe was that he was ignored by the manager if you like, but that would be false. He played 2 of the 7 games he was here. Not thinking he is good enough and ignoring him is not the same thing, yet again you conflate the two in order to further your narrative.
You said you didn’t rate Altidore and didn’t think he was very good. The Spanish second division team agreed with you too... he has had success in Holland and America struggling to make it elsewhere, that’s because the two leagues are similar in overall standard, it’s poor.
I didn’t say what Roberts says doesn’t matter, I asked why it matters, again I’m very careful with my words and you need to start paying attention to them. Correcting you changing my sentences every post is wasting both our time. What Roberts said is absolutely valid, however that’s football and nothing out of the ordinary. As stated, our most successful season in our history under Laudrup we were pretty awful from Feb onwards.... overall it was an incredible season worthy of great praise.
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Are you saying you never said that loans from MLS in mid season don't work?
Of course he's not rated at $20m ffs. Give your head a wobble, you're talking absolute garbage again. Even you don't believe that but because it suits your narrative you run with it. It's hilarious.
Barnsley Chairman:
“We have first right and we can sign him if we pay the fee that was agreed,” Murphy said. “The right to buy him is ours until we choose to use it or not.”
Murphy says missing out on promotion and the money that brings would not exclude the Reds from signing Dike permanently. He also rubbished reports that the fee was around £15million, after previously saying it was closer to fees the Reds have paid in the past.
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 10:27 - May 17 with 379 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 10:14 - May 17 by 34dfgdf54 |
Are you saying you never said that loans from MLS in mid season don't work?
Of course he's not rated at $20m ffs. Give your head a wobble, you're talking absolute garbage again. Even you don't believe that but because it suits your narrative you run with it. It's hilarious.
Barnsley Chairman:
“We have first right and we can sign him if we pay the fee that was agreed,” Murphy said. “The right to buy him is ours until we choose to use it or not.”
Murphy says missing out on promotion and the money that brings would not exclude the Reds from signing Dike permanently. He also rubbished reports that the fee was around £15million, after previously saying it was closer to fees the Reds have paid in the past.
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Yep, never said that.
I told you what I said, rarely a good idea to loan players in their off season, especially into a side where the reason you want those players is due to fatigue... players in their off season have usually just played a whole season. Injuries can easily happen, both ours were sent back for that very reason.
Yes he is rated at $20m. I can wobble my head as much as you like, but that would still be the case. You are confusing what Barnsley have agreed prior to the loan and what Orlando now want, they are very different things. Only Barnsley can buy him for less than Orlando currently value him at. We aren’t Barnsley.
Yet again you are easily confused by very simple sentences and very simple situations.
https://www.mlssoccer.com/news
Grand slam win. [Post edited 17 May 2021 10:27]
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 10:33 - May 17 with 373 views | Chief |
This Arriola nonsense really has to be put to bed now.
All the evidence suggests he arrived at the club not fully fit¬ ready to take anyone's place in a championship side winning games (narrowly). As such Cooper used him sparingly.
None of us know how good he is (i suggest if he was outstanding he'd have played more than he did, great ability could mask some lack of match fitness), but international caps for the USA are no indicator of exceptional ability.
Eddie Johnson by every measure was an awful footballer at championship level. And he got 19 goals in 63 (SIXTY THREE) caps for America. |  |
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 10:38 - May 17 with 368 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 10:33 - May 17 by Chief |
This Arriola nonsense really has to be put to bed now.
All the evidence suggests he arrived at the club not fully fit¬ ready to take anyone's place in a championship side winning games (narrowly). As such Cooper used him sparingly.
None of us know how good he is (i suggest if he was outstanding he'd have played more than he did, great ability could mask some lack of match fitness), but international caps for the USA are no indicator of exceptional ability.
Eddie Johnson by every measure was an awful footballer at championship level. And he got 19 goals in 63 (SIXTY THREE) caps for America. |
Freddy Adu got 17 caps as a striker for USA.
He’s 31 and scored 28 goals in his life, struggling at every single club he has been at, at most levels in many countries. Even struggled in the North American Soccer League.
Anyone using caps for USA as a measure of someone’s talent really doesn’t understand the situation.
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 10:27 - May 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
Yep, never said that.
I told you what I said, rarely a good idea to loan players in their off season, especially into a side where the reason you want those players is due to fatigue... players in their off season have usually just played a whole season. Injuries can easily happen, both ours were sent back for that very reason.
Yes he is rated at $20m. I can wobble my head as much as you like, but that would still be the case. You are confusing what Barnsley have agreed prior to the loan and what Orlando now want, they are very different things. Only Barnsley can buy him for less than Orlando currently value him at. We aren’t Barnsley.
Yet again you are easily confused by very simple sentences and very simple situations.
https://www.mlssoccer.com/news
Grand slam win. [Post edited 17 May 2021 10:27]
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Chairman chucks crazy valuation on player shocker. You really are clutching at straws now and it is becoming just as tragic as the "So it's Bournemouth" fiasco where you posted an essay for a match preview.
His market value is £4.5m, which backs up what the Barnsley chairman. Direct Quotes aswell, not "according to the Orlando sentinel"
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Murphy suggested that a figure around $20m was incorrect as he said: “I will not go into detail. Some of the numbers bring thrown around are just silly season. There is a buy option and Orlando wanted a recall option in there.”
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 10:45 - May 17 with 357 views | Chief |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 10:38 - May 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
Freddy Adu got 17 caps as a striker for USA.
He’s 31 and scored 28 goals in his life, struggling at every single club he has been at, at most levels in many countries. Even struggled in the North American Soccer League.
Anyone using caps for USA as a measure of someone’s talent really doesn’t understand the situation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik |
Yes, but what i will say is that at championship level (not prem), its entirely possible that Arriola could have contributed. I haven't seen much of him just like the people claiming he's good haven't, so I'm not being hypocritical.
But what's being forgotten by some is that had he not joined us, he had about 6 weeks - 2 months of pre-season training (and rehab from a serious injury) ahead of him before the MLS season started.
Expecting him to perform in the championship instantly upon his arrival is fantasy. [Post edited 17 May 2021 10:48]
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 10:46 - May 17 with 357 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 10:38 - May 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
Freddy Adu got 17 caps as a striker for USA.
He’s 31 and scored 28 goals in his life, struggling at every single club he has been at, at most levels in many countries. Even struggled in the North American Soccer League.
Anyone using caps for USA as a measure of someone’s talent really doesn’t understand the situation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik |
Not understanding the situation is when you genuinely believe a club would let their "$20m" asset play for another club during their season, which is now.
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| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 10:50 - May 17 with 352 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Barnsley v Swansea City : The USA loan player that is a complete success on 10:46 - May 17 by 34dfgdf54 |
Not understanding the situation is when you genuinely believe a club would let their "$20m" asset play for another club during their season, which is now.
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Absolutely, they are asking for that kind regards of money BECAUSE of his success in English football, not as mere happenstance of it.
Sending players into a good league, in their off season, to prove they are good enough is perfect business sense for them. They either get short term cash and the player back or short term cash and a cash bonanza. It’s win win.
But like most things I don’t expect you understand that. It’s what makes our chats so entertaining I guess, so can’t grumble. [Post edited 17 May 2021 10:50]
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