| Yanks Out 18:16 - Jul 21 with 6788 views | owainglyndwr |
This club is going down hill fast. ....
A new manager without investment don't add up |  | | |  |
| Yanks Out on 21:11 - Jul 23 with 1263 views | Dr_Winston |
Cooper's insistence on borrowing players he'd worked with before rather than developing the ones he had was undoubtedly a bit of a contributor to our deciding to allow him to talk to other clubs. Why bother to develop your own talented youngsters when your manager is pining for ones who play for other teams?
Loan players are great to strengthen an existing squad. They shouldn't be your primary means of getting on. Cooper stropping and ignoring Whittaker despite him scoring two goals in three starts because he wasn't Sam Greenwood wasn't a good look. |  |
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| Yanks Out on 21:30 - Jul 23 with 1245 views | owainglyndwr |
| Yanks Out on 20:23 - Jul 23 by raynor94 |
Andy Scott, the head of recruitment |
But has Andy had his full influence. . | | | |
| Yanks Out on 00:27 - Jul 24 with 1193 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Yanks Out on 21:11 - Jul 23 by Dr_Winston |
Cooper's insistence on borrowing players he'd worked with before rather than developing the ones he had was undoubtedly a bit of a contributor to our deciding to allow him to talk to other clubs. Why bother to develop your own talented youngsters when your manager is pining for ones who play for other teams?
Loan players are great to strengthen an existing squad. They shouldn't be your primary means of getting on. Cooper stropping and ignoring Whittaker despite him scoring two goals in three starts because he wasn't Sam Greenwood wasn't a good look. |
Whittaker wasn’t ignored. He was correctly not a starter because he is quite obviously not good enough yet.
If the new manager also doesn’t start him. It will be interesting to track the same people’s views to see if they start holding it against him.... I bet not. |  |
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| Yanks Out on 01:48 - Jul 24 with 1183 views | jasper_T |
| Yanks Out on 00:27 - Jul 24 by Dr_Parnassus |
Whittaker wasn’t ignored. He was correctly not a starter because he is quite obviously not good enough yet.
If the new manager also doesn’t start him. It will be interesting to track the same people’s views to see if they start holding it against him.... I bet not. |
The difference I'm sure you'll choose to ignore is that we've signed two new strikers recently. If Whittaker is behind both or either of them it's not the same situation as sitting on the bench while the manager moans about not having enough strikers at the club. |  | | |
| Yanks Out on 10:25 - Jul 24 with 1120 views | Dr_Winston |
| Yanks Out on 01:48 - Jul 24 by jasper_T |
The difference I'm sure you'll choose to ignore is that we've signed two new strikers recently. If Whittaker is behind both or either of them it's not the same situation as sitting on the bench while the manager moans about not having enough strikers at the club. |
Yep.
Cooper had players available. Potentially very useful ones capable of making a contribution in our run in. Instead of doing what good coaches are supposed to do and work to integrate them into his team, he chose to throw a paddy and avoid using any of them as much as possible just because they weren't the exact one he wanted.
Whittaker has looked sharp whenever he's had an opportunity. That he had so few opportunities when the team was stuttering during the run in was unacceptable. | |
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| Yanks Out on 11:25 - Jul 24 with 1093 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Yanks Out on 10:25 - Jul 24 by Dr_Winston |
Yep.
Cooper had players available. Potentially very useful ones capable of making a contribution in our run in. Instead of doing what good coaches are supposed to do and work to integrate them into his team, he chose to throw a paddy and avoid using any of them as much as possible just because they weren't the exact one he wanted.
Whittaker has looked sharp whenever he's had an opportunity. That he had so few opportunities when the team was stuttering during the run in was unacceptable. |
Nope.
Having players available and having the players needed to fill the gaping holes in the side aren’t the same thing.
If simply having “players” available is all that is needed to succeed then everyone should win the league.
Whether Whittaker looked sharp or not (I don’t think he did at all) is irrelevant, he isn’t a number 9 and probably never will be unless he changes his game style.
He said he needed a number 9 and he was correct. Instead he got some really odd signings forced upon him. | |
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| Yanks Out on 13:05 - Jul 24 with 1061 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Yanks Out on 11:25 - Jul 24 by Dr_Parnassus |
Nope.
Having players available and having the players needed to fill the gaping holes in the side aren’t the same thing.
If simply having “players” available is all that is needed to succeed then everyone should win the league.
Whether Whittaker looked sharp or not (I don’t think he did at all) is irrelevant, he isn’t a number 9 and probably never will be unless he changes his game style.
He said he needed a number 9 and he was correct. Instead he got some really odd signings forced upon him. |
Cooper wanted a an elite number 9 for the cost of a bag of chips. Not so easy. I can image an host of player offered to him and all rejected. Piggott perhaps? Courtney Baker Richardson was drummed out in swift time.
It takes time to find players of quality Piroe and Joseph hopefully. Swansea city has not produced a Welsh no 9 since Jeremy Charles and he played deep.
Cooper has to make the best of what he has. He is not at Liverpool. |  |
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| Yanks Out on 13:39 - Jul 24 with 1041 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Yanks Out on 13:05 - Jul 24 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Cooper wanted a an elite number 9 for the cost of a bag of chips. Not so easy. I can image an host of player offered to him and all rejected. Piggott perhaps? Courtney Baker Richardson was drummed out in swift time.
It takes time to find players of quality Piroe and Joseph hopefully. Swansea city has not produced a Welsh no 9 since Jeremy Charles and he played deep.
Cooper has to make the best of what he has. He is not at Liverpool. |
How do you know he wanted an elite number 9? A number 9 worthy of a starting place in a side pushing for the Premier League is no doubt what he wanted, not an elite one.
He did make the best of what he had. How he managed to get us to 4th, God only knows.
Hats off to him. | |
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| Yanks Out on 14:48 - Jul 24 with 986 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Yanks Out on 13:39 - Jul 24 by Dr_Parnassus |
How do you know he wanted an elite number 9? A number 9 worthy of a starting place in a side pushing for the Premier League is no doubt what he wanted, not an elite one.
He did make the best of what he had. How he managed to get us to 4th, God only knows.
Hats off to him. |
If he wanted a quality target man he should have got one. He was the manager. That is it. He had one in Goykeres but did not play him. He was good enough to get a permanent move to Coventry and impressed Mark Robins sufficiently.
The manager chose to loan a goalkeeper and go with no no9. He did not fancy the available players offered to him. Piggot? Mullen? Troy Parrot?.
Piggot was linked and a few others. Scott presumably made a few suggestions . The loan slots budget was taken by Woodman (who was probably not needed) Hourahaine and Guehi.
No no 9 was Cooper's choice given what was available to him. Paul Clement moved faster than him and got Ogbu from Chelsea who did well in Belgium. | |
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| Yanks Out on 14:54 - Jul 24 with 973 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Yanks Out on 14:48 - Jul 24 by ReslovenSwan1 |
If he wanted a quality target man he should have got one. He was the manager. That is it. He had one in Goykeres but did not play him. He was good enough to get a permanent move to Coventry and impressed Mark Robins sufficiently.
The manager chose to loan a goalkeeper and go with no no9. He did not fancy the available players offered to him. Piggot? Mullen? Troy Parrot?.
Piggot was linked and a few others. Scott presumably made a few suggestions . The loan slots budget was taken by Woodman (who was probably not needed) Hourahaine and Guehi.
No no 9 was Cooper's choice given what was available to him. Paul Clement moved faster than him and got Ogbu from Chelsea who did well in Belgium. |
Agreed, sadly signings didn’t seem to be his decision. Hence the issue in him not really getting what he thought the side needed (and he was clearly right).
How do you know the manager decided to go with others instead of a number 9? Doesn’t sound true at all. You have previously said that the way Swansea work is that others sign players on the clubs behalf and he just has to get comfortable with that. Now you seem to be suggesting that isn’t the case?
Gyokeres may have been decent enough for 16th placed Coventry to take a punt on him, but it seems they didn’t think he was good enough to start very many games. Of his 18 appearances, 11 were from the bench.
Not getting a number 9 clearly was not Coopers choice. Think you are being a bit silly here for some reason. One minute you are saying he has to work with what he was given, then in the next breath you say it’s his decision to sign players? [Post edited 24 Jul 2021 15:08]
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| Yanks Out on 15:19 - Jul 24 with 947 views | Chief |
| Yanks Out on 14:48 - Jul 24 by ReslovenSwan1 |
If he wanted a quality target man he should have got one. He was the manager. That is it. He had one in Goykeres but did not play him. He was good enough to get a permanent move to Coventry and impressed Mark Robins sufficiently.
The manager chose to loan a goalkeeper and go with no no9. He did not fancy the available players offered to him. Piggot? Mullen? Troy Parrot?.
Piggot was linked and a few others. Scott presumably made a few suggestions . The loan slots budget was taken by Woodman (who was probably not needed) Hourahaine and Guehi.
No no 9 was Cooper's choice given what was available to him. Paul Clement moved faster than him and got Ogbu from Chelsea who did well in Belgium. |
Iesu mawr. Gyorkeres a 'quality target man'!?
I can't speak for Coventry's transfer policy or why they thought he was a good option. But he scored 3 league goals last season.
Cooper chose a goalkeeper but no number 9!? That was Cooper's choice!? How do you know any of those players were offered to him?
How do you know how large the loan slot budget was? Arriola and Morris' wages / fees presumably would have come out of this pot too but you fail to mention that.
How do you know it was Cooper's choice? How do you know Clement moved faster on him on that player? How do you know that ogbu was a player Cooper was allowed to approach to sign?
You're making a habit of stating stuff as fact for which there's no evidence. No wonder people suggest that you're being told things by people.
Or are you willing to admit that these are all assumptions and thing's you've made up? |  |
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| Yanks Out on 15:27 - Jul 24 with 942 views | jasper_T |
If you assume a footballer's life begins with his first team debut (like most journos tbf) then sure, he's a winger that would need converting to centre forward.
What's "widely accepted to be true" is frequently bollocks. | | | |
| Yanks Out on 16:06 - Jul 24 with 909 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Yanks Out on 15:19 - Jul 24 by Chief |
Iesu mawr. Gyorkeres a 'quality target man'!?
I can't speak for Coventry's transfer policy or why they thought he was a good option. But he scored 3 league goals last season.
Cooper chose a goalkeeper but no number 9!? That was Cooper's choice!? How do you know any of those players were offered to him?
How do you know how large the loan slot budget was? Arriola and Morris' wages / fees presumably would have come out of this pot too but you fail to mention that.
How do you know it was Cooper's choice? How do you know Clement moved faster on him on that player? How do you know that ogbu was a player Cooper was allowed to approach to sign?
You're making a habit of stating stuff as fact for which there's no evidence. No wonder people suggest that you're being told things by people.
Or are you willing to admit that these are all assumptions and thing's you've made up? |
Transfers at Swansea city has been a joint effort. Martinez had his own man and so did Potter. Both left taking with them their recruitment people. Scott is clearly a club man which is good.
The football league is full of good solid number nines. Newport have had plenty like Jamal Matt for example. A lower league battering ram. There is not shortage except in Swansea where the city simply does not produce these players.
Players like Vokes out of favour at Stoke, Lyle Taylor on a free, Grabban, Deidhiou, Assomablonga, Glatzel at Cardiff available for a snip and out of favour.
Charlie Austin went to QPR. Ashley Fletcher, Piggot, Paul Mullin, Chuks Anneke, Valdane Oliver, the list goes on. Watters remember him? The lower down the league you go the cheaper they become. Birmingham are picking up no 9s no bother and good ones. They have less money than Swansea. Cooper let Goykeres go.
I speculated on Ugbo. A big strong 20 year old at Chelsea. Good links with the club. Looks good? Too late gone to Cercle Bruges with PC.
Cooper is the manager and was responsible. No one else to blame. Bad luck also with Obafemi. | |
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| Yanks Out on 16:22 - Jul 24 with 900 views | Chief |
| Yanks Out on 16:06 - Jul 24 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Transfers at Swansea city has been a joint effort. Martinez had his own man and so did Potter. Both left taking with them their recruitment people. Scott is clearly a club man which is good.
The football league is full of good solid number nines. Newport have had plenty like Jamal Matt for example. A lower league battering ram. There is not shortage except in Swansea where the city simply does not produce these players.
Players like Vokes out of favour at Stoke, Lyle Taylor on a free, Grabban, Deidhiou, Assomablonga, Glatzel at Cardiff available for a snip and out of favour.
Charlie Austin went to QPR. Ashley Fletcher, Piggot, Paul Mullin, Chuks Anneke, Valdane Oliver, the list goes on. Watters remember him? The lower down the league you go the cheaper they become. Birmingham are picking up no 9s no bother and good ones. They have less money than Swansea. Cooper let Goykeres go.
I speculated on Ugbo. A big strong 20 year old at Chelsea. Good links with the club. Looks good? Too late gone to Cercle Bruges with PC.
Cooper is the manager and was responsible. No one else to blame. Bad luck also with Obafemi. |
That overview of football league strikers that in no way addresses my post.
So if transfers are a 'joint effort' how is Cooper 'responsible' and 'no one else to blame'.
Ridiculous contradictory comments designed to blame Cooper and no one else for the situation the club finds itself in. Pathetic. | |
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| Yanks Out on 16:28 - Jul 24 with 899 views | Catullus |
Whittaker is usually called a forward with his secondary position being right winger. He's not a "9" he's a striker. When he got his few chances he was always looking to shoot.
Cooper didn't use some players even when those on the pitch looked knackered, he didn't use subs when some players looked blown.
Cooper played people out of position. He was supposed to develop young players but developed loan players while our own youngsters got very little chance. Guehi came on leaps and bounds, shame Latibeaudiere or Whittaker didn't get the same chance to develop.
One of our loans was obviously a disaster for us. He contributed well for the first 4/5 games but from then on was a waste of a shirt. I don't know how much Hourihane cost us but we'd have done better keeping that money in the bank and using Smith. At least Smith put effort in.
Now the Yanks, if people don't want them, who would they like? Who do they think might buy us, Terry Matthews? Elon Musk? Sheik Spendalot? Vincent Tan? | |
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| Yanks Out on 16:43 - Jul 24 with 894 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Yanks Out on 16:22 - Jul 24 by Chief |
That overview of football league strikers that in no way addresses my post.
So if transfers are a 'joint effort' how is Cooper 'responsible' and 'no one else to blame'.
Ridiculous contradictory comments designed to blame Cooper and no one else for the situation the club finds itself in. Pathetic. |
Cooper is the manager. The buck stops with him. That is the way it works. If you find that pathetic then modern business management is not for you. The EFL is over flowing with big number 9 better than Goykeres. I gave you a list and I only watch EFL lower leagues on Quest. He should have rang up his mate Flynn at Newport for advice. Piggot was linked for weeks.
Its a joint effort but at the end of the day Cooper carried the can. Potter did not complain about the quality of CBR. Even I could see he was some way off being Karim Benzema.
He threw him in and said use you bulk and start pushing your weight around. He was actually quite effective in an agricultural sort of way. He got 4 goals and could have had a hattrick v Reading. McBurnie was prone to frequent illnesses I recall.
Cooper is to blame for any defect in the squad make up. He was not sacked. He quit. | |
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| Yanks Out on 16:52 - Jul 24 with 891 views | Catullus |
| Yanks Out on 16:06 - Jul 24 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Transfers at Swansea city has been a joint effort. Martinez had his own man and so did Potter. Both left taking with them their recruitment people. Scott is clearly a club man which is good.
The football league is full of good solid number nines. Newport have had plenty like Jamal Matt for example. A lower league battering ram. There is not shortage except in Swansea where the city simply does not produce these players.
Players like Vokes out of favour at Stoke, Lyle Taylor on a free, Grabban, Deidhiou, Assomablonga, Glatzel at Cardiff available for a snip and out of favour.
Charlie Austin went to QPR. Ashley Fletcher, Piggot, Paul Mullin, Chuks Anneke, Valdane Oliver, the list goes on. Watters remember him? The lower down the league you go the cheaper they become. Birmingham are picking up no 9s no bother and good ones. They have less money than Swansea. Cooper let Goykeres go.
I speculated on Ugbo. A big strong 20 year old at Chelsea. Good links with the club. Looks good? Too late gone to Cercle Bruges with PC.
Cooper is the manager and was responsible. No one else to blame. Bad luck also with Obafemi. |
The football league is not FULL of good number 9's. The players you mention are cheap or free for good reason.
Gyokeres isn't even a centre forward, he's a forward yes but no "Number 9"
Vokes and Glatzel, out of favour, why is that do you think? Maybe because they are poor? Where there definitely isn't a shortage is players who aren't good enough at our level. Then, on the other hand, the players that we would like to sign we may not be able to afford.
Finding the player we want that we can afford is not as easy as all that. | |
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| Yanks Out on 16:54 - Jul 24 with 889 views | BillyChong |
| Yanks Out on 14:48 - Jul 24 by ReslovenSwan1 |
If he wanted a quality target man he should have got one. He was the manager. That is it. He had one in Goykeres but did not play him. He was good enough to get a permanent move to Coventry and impressed Mark Robins sufficiently.
The manager chose to loan a goalkeeper and go with no no9. He did not fancy the available players offered to him. Piggot? Mullen? Troy Parrot?.
Piggot was linked and a few others. Scott presumably made a few suggestions . The loan slots budget was taken by Woodman (who was probably not needed) Hourahaine and Guehi.
No no 9 was Cooper's choice given what was available to him. Paul Clement moved faster than him and got Ogbu from Chelsea who did well in Belgium. |
Goykeres a quality target man? That good he earned a move to Coventry? LOL | | | |
| Yanks Out on 17:27 - Jul 24 with 854 views | Chief |
| Yanks Out on 16:43 - Jul 24 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Cooper is the manager. The buck stops with him. That is the way it works. If you find that pathetic then modern business management is not for you. The EFL is over flowing with big number 9 better than Goykeres. I gave you a list and I only watch EFL lower leagues on Quest. He should have rang up his mate Flynn at Newport for advice. Piggot was linked for weeks.
Its a joint effort but at the end of the day Cooper carried the can. Potter did not complain about the quality of CBR. Even I could see he was some way off being Karim Benzema.
He threw him in and said use you bulk and start pushing your weight around. He was actually quite effective in an agricultural sort of way. He got 4 goals and could have had a hattrick v Reading. McBurnie was prone to frequent illnesses I recall.
Cooper is to blame for any defect in the squad make up. He was not sacked. He quit. |
You yourself have just said that that transfers were a 'joint effort'. A joint effort means a joint buck stops at least in some part jointly. As it would I modern businesses, let alone the spotlight also being shone on upper management too. But of course they are completely insulated from criticism in your world.
Oh I thought you said Gyorkeres Was 'quality'?. Yet now the league is overflowing with better ones apparently.
Why would Cooper ring a league 2 manager for advice? Piggot plays in league 1. Is there any evidence that Cooper actually wanted Piggot?
Yes and Potter's team finished 10th.
How can cooper be solely to blame for any squad defect when you've already admitted that transfers are a joint effort and you constantly laud Winter for his input (Petersen debacle).
Did he quit!? You know that for certain too do you or is that another of your fabrications? | |
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| Yanks Out on 17:43 - Jul 24 with 841 views | vetchonian |
| Yanks Out on 21:11 - Jul 23 by Dr_Winston |
Cooper's insistence on borrowing players he'd worked with before rather than developing the ones he had was undoubtedly a bit of a contributor to our deciding to allow him to talk to other clubs. Why bother to develop your own talented youngsters when your manager is pining for ones who play for other teams?
Loan players are great to strengthen an existing squad. They shouldn't be your primary means of getting on. Cooper stropping and ignoring Whittaker despite him scoring two goals in three starts because he wasn't Sam Greenwood wasn't a good look. |
So lets take a look at who we borrowed
Woodman.....Benda was our youngster we have /had a specialist goalkeeping coach in Margetson...maybe he had some input here?
Geuhi....we were also developing Ben who came through last season and Brandon Cooper was sent on to Newport on loan but recalled...possibly to get involved in the squad but then he got injured.
Houihane in midfield yet Ollie Cooper was involved with the first team squad and got some appearances last season
Season previous we had Gallacher you could argue this wasnt necessay given the palyers we had like Byers etc BUT if cooper had been tasked with promotion he may have discussed with the club our youngsters werent quite ready for the task
Yes he worked with youngsters he knew also read the interview with Andy Scott I post the link again
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/andy-scott-interview-
a quote form that interview
And Scott's first full transfer window at the club represented something of a turning point.
"In January 2020, we managed to get a lot of the big salary earners out of the window and that was a really productive one, we saved a lot of money off the budget in that window, but we still recruited Conor Gallagher, Marc Guehi and Rhian Brewster who made a huge difference to us to allow us to get into the play-offs along with the players we already had," he said.
"That was probably a bit of a turning point in the squad succession planning and the building of what we've got now.
"What was initially a really difficult situation to come into with the size of the squad, the amount of players we had that weren't contributing and obviously the salaries we inherited, I think we've turned that around in the windows we've been here.
"We've improved the quality and size of the squad in every window. That's my main goal, to provide Steve with the best players we can and to give him the tools to get the results.
"It's been a little bit easier this season than the last two windows after the success of last year, obviously the work that Steve does and playing young players and having success attracts more agents and players, that does help.
"I think we've got to a point now where everyone believes Swansea have got a style of play and a type of player they want to bring in that fits with a lot of pathways of good, talented young players.
"We've married that with some experience as well that have supplemented the group and really complemented the characters we've got.
"I can't have asked for a better amount of windows and that just comes with the support of everybody in the senior management team and the first-team coaching staff to be able to do the job properly."
We borrowed Brewster.....who did we have as a younster to fit there ...cullen yes and Cooper worked with him last season...there are lots of articles about that....
Yet again you perpetuate myths take a piece of data and present ot without examining all the facts ..like your defence of Potter and attackes on Cooper talking about Cooper being booed....the article you produced was from games in december yet the crowd was booing Potter the English pep with more experience than the rookie Cooper as early as October!
Cooper has gone ..we will all have theories as to why but none of actually know the truth but hes gone let it go
You have your wish I just hope the new manager gets treated as the last from the fans. [Post edited 24 Jul 2021 18:00]
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| Yanks Out on 18:06 - Jul 24 with 822 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Yanks Out on 17:27 - Jul 24 by Chief |
You yourself have just said that that transfers were a 'joint effort'. A joint effort means a joint buck stops at least in some part jointly. As it would I modern businesses, let alone the spotlight also being shone on upper management too. But of course they are completely insulated from criticism in your world.
Oh I thought you said Gyorkeres Was 'quality'?. Yet now the league is overflowing with better ones apparently.
Why would Cooper ring a league 2 manager for advice? Piggot plays in league 1. Is there any evidence that Cooper actually wanted Piggot?
Yes and Potter's team finished 10th.
How can cooper be solely to blame for any squad defect when you've already admitted that transfers are a joint effort and you constantly laud Winter for his input (Petersen debacle).
Did he quit!? You know that for certain too do you or is that another of your fabrications? |
The manager as the man in charge is supported by the recruitment team and the management.
Where ever possible it seems to me the US owners and Mr Scott endeavoured to give Cooper what he wanted at some cost. Brewster, Gallagher, Surridge, Guehi, Woodman were all top quality players known to the manager.
He told them who he wanted and they were provided. This was to the expense of local players such as Benda, Brandon Cooper, and Garrick who were all sent on loan. They were perceived as better more developed players. Not surprising as one was sold for £28m another for £20m recently.
Players to play in the no 9 position was requested by Cooper and Goykeres stayed for 6 months and sent back. He needed patience and has secured a permanent deal with Marc Robbins at Coventry City. Obafemi was lined up but got injured.
The January market is notoriously difficult and some clubs avoid it all together. several forwards were linked Piggott, Watters the fellow at Morecombe who name escapes me but none appeared. There is not shortage on No 9 in England. Swansea has a particular problem especially the academy. Its reasonable to assume names were offered to Cooper but he did not accept them. It was clearly decided to mould the likes of Lowe and Whittaker into central roles rather than take an older player of lower pedigree such as Piggott. The two US players came in late as back up support. Morris being a highly rated pacey US striker.
It was clearly disappointing to Cooper and Scott but that is football. This is Swansea city. Martinez wanted big money to buy Jordi Gomez and McCarthy and both ended going to Wigan with him.
Yes Cooper did quit. He wanted to leave before the end of his contract. It was not a forced departure,. He even stayed on for two weeks to help the club find his replacement. [Post edited 24 Jul 2021 18:21]
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The manager as the man in charge is supported by the recruitment team and the management.
Where ever possible it seems to me the US owners and Mr Scott endeavoured to give Cooper what he wanted at some cost. Brewster, Gallagher, Surridge, Guehi, Woodman were all top quality players known to the manager.
He told them who he wanted and they were provided. This was to the expense of local players such as Benda, Brandon Cooper, and Garrick who were all sent on loan. They were perceived as better more developed players. Not surprising as one was sold for £28m another for £20m recently.
Players to play in the no 9 position was requested by Cooper and Goykeres stayed for 6 months and sent back. He needed patience and has secured a permanent deal with Marc Robbins at Coventry City. Obafemi was lined up but got injured.
The January market is notoriously difficult and some clubs avoid it all together. several forwards were linked Piggott, Watters the fellow at Morecombe who name escapes me but none appeared. There is not shortage on No 9 in England. Swansea has a particular problem especially the academy. Its reasonable to assume names were offered to Cooper but he did not accept them. It was clearly decided to mould the likes of Lowe and Whittaker into central roles rather than take an older player of lower pedigree such as Piggott. The two US players came in late as back up support. Morris being a highly rated pacey US striker.
It was clearly disappointing to Cooper and Scott but that is football. This is Swansea city. Martinez wanted big money to buy Jordi Gomez and McCarthy and both ended going to Wigan with him.
Yes Cooper did quit. He wanted to leave before the end of his contract. It was not a forced departure,. He even stayed on for two weeks to help the club find his replacement. [Post edited 24 Jul 2021 18:21]
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But as you've already conceded the manager doesn't have sole charge over transfers - 'joint effort'.
So if they gave Cooper what he wanted, why did Cooper at several points state we don't have an out and out striker this season? Why didn't they endevour provide that?
So he told them repeatedly what he wanted. But that wasn't provided was it? You're lying now. You know he wanted an out and out striker. And it wasn't provided was it?
Obafemi isn't a number 9. He's another impish winger/small pacy striker.
Dunno what the waffle in the next paragraphs about. Irrelevant. What we do know is that the out and out striker didn't arrive. I have no idea if any viable options were offered to Cooper. I'd suggest not, if any were he'd have jumped at the opportunity surely. Why would he refuse a player in a position he wanted? You have no idea whether Cooper was offered Piggott.
Morris has played a lot of his career on the wing and he's not that highly rated. If he was he wouldn't still be playing MLS at his age.
Again you're contradicting yourself. You say Cooper was given what he wanted then giving an example where a former manager wasn't given what they wanted. While maintaining that Cooper is the boss and he's to blame for everything!
Bizarre.
So you're saying that he walked away with no compensation then? Yes strange action for a manager who 'quit'. Sounds to me like a very admirable act. | |
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