| That idiot Johnson 12:41 - Aug 6 with 8024 views | builthjack |
Institutional racism at its best.
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| That idiot Johnson on 20:57 - Aug 29 with 691 views | Dr_Winston |
| That idiot Johnson on 20:53 - Aug 29 by Gwyn737 |
Agree completely with you on private school.
Disagree completely with you on grammars. IMO grammar schools are far more divisive and demonstrably reduce social mobility. I’d shut them all.
They’re kept alive by rare success stories where somebody’s working class uncle passed the 11 plus and now is a FTSE CEO. |
My dad was the son of a train driver and school dinner lady. Thanks to passing his eleven plus he got a grammar education alongside the sons of solicitors and doctors.
Nothing aided social mobility more. |  |
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| That idiot Johnson on 20:58 - Aug 29 with 690 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| That idiot Johnson on 20:42 - Aug 29 by Dr_Winston |
Yep.
The campaign against private education is based on nothing but envy. Of course, working class children had access to education approaching private levels too via the Grammar system, but the same interests campaigned against them as well.
Nobody is allowed to be better in their eyes. Mediocrity for all. |
Sad but true, the Grammar school system gave talented children from poor backgrounds a good way to build on their talent. |  |
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| That idiot Johnson on 21:20 - Aug 29 with 673 views | Gwyn737 |
| That idiot Johnson on 20:57 - Aug 29 by Dr_Winston |
My dad was the son of a train driver and school dinner lady. Thanks to passing his eleven plus he got a grammar education alongside the sons of solicitors and doctors.
Nothing aided social mobility more. |
I’m not for one minute saying that there aren’t success stories but to some degree these are part of the problem. The evidence is really strong in this topic.
Children who are doing well enough to get into a grammar would in all likelihood continue to do well in the comprehensive system. All the academic data shows that those bright children achieve only ‘slightly’ better standards than their comprehensive system peers.
But here’s the kicker. Grammar areas tend to have secondary moderns. Those schools do significantly worse than their comprehensive counterparts after having the brightest children whipped away from them
In grammar areas children have a 20% chance of getting in.
Imagine you’re a parent of 5 children. Would you want to take the risk of one of your children getting a slightly better education while the other four get a poorer one?
It’s worse when it gets to low income families where the figure drops to 1 in 20. That’s why I think it’s damaging to social mobility. |  | | |
| That idiot Johnson on 21:24 - Aug 29 with 664 views | Kilkennyjack |
| That idiot Johnson on 20:57 - Aug 29 by Dr_Winston |
My dad was the son of a train driver and school dinner lady. Thanks to passing his eleven plus he got a grammar education alongside the sons of solicitors and doctors.
Nothing aided social mobility more. |
Train driver was/is a good job. Just saying. |  |
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| That idiot Johnson on 21:29 - Aug 29 with 662 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| That idiot Johnson on 21:20 - Aug 29 by Gwyn737 |
I’m not for one minute saying that there aren’t success stories but to some degree these are part of the problem. The evidence is really strong in this topic.
Children who are doing well enough to get into a grammar would in all likelihood continue to do well in the comprehensive system. All the academic data shows that those bright children achieve only ‘slightly’ better standards than their comprehensive system peers.
But here’s the kicker. Grammar areas tend to have secondary moderns. Those schools do significantly worse than their comprehensive counterparts after having the brightest children whipped away from them
In grammar areas children have a 20% chance of getting in.
Imagine you’re a parent of 5 children. Would you want to take the risk of one of your children getting a slightly better education while the other four get a poorer one?
It’s worse when it gets to low income families where the figure drops to 1 in 20. That’s why I think it’s damaging to social mobility. |
Grammar schools were working, secondary moderns were struggling in some cases, so the thinking was to pull the thing that worked rather than improve the thing that wasn't. | |
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| That idiot Johnson on 21:31 - Aug 29 with 657 views | Kilkennyjack |
| That idiot Johnson on 21:20 - Aug 29 by Gwyn737 |
I’m not for one minute saying that there aren’t success stories but to some degree these are part of the problem. The evidence is really strong in this topic.
Children who are doing well enough to get into a grammar would in all likelihood continue to do well in the comprehensive system. All the academic data shows that those bright children achieve only ‘slightly’ better standards than their comprehensive system peers.
But here’s the kicker. Grammar areas tend to have secondary moderns. Those schools do significantly worse than their comprehensive counterparts after having the brightest children whipped away from them
In grammar areas children have a 20% chance of getting in.
Imagine you’re a parent of 5 children. Would you want to take the risk of one of your children getting a slightly better education while the other four get a poorer one?
It’s worse when it gets to low income families where the figure drops to 1 in 20. That’s why I think it’s damaging to social mobility. |
Exactly right.
And there is the arguement that says if the parents of little Rees-Mogg were forced to be parents at the local comp then the local comp might benefit from their interest, influence, and wealth.
Would brimg people together. You know the drill .., One Nation.
However my main reason for wanting to burn the public schools to the ground, is based on the monsters they create. Monsters that then lead the rest of us over a cliff without a care in the world.
It has to stop. | |
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| That idiot Johnson on 21:34 - Aug 29 with 661 views | Dr_Winston |
| That idiot Johnson on 21:20 - Aug 29 by Gwyn737 |
I’m not for one minute saying that there aren’t success stories but to some degree these are part of the problem. The evidence is really strong in this topic.
Children who are doing well enough to get into a grammar would in all likelihood continue to do well in the comprehensive system. All the academic data shows that those bright children achieve only ‘slightly’ better standards than their comprehensive system peers.
But here’s the kicker. Grammar areas tend to have secondary moderns. Those schools do significantly worse than their comprehensive counterparts after having the brightest children whipped away from them
In grammar areas children have a 20% chance of getting in.
Imagine you’re a parent of 5 children. Would you want to take the risk of one of your children getting a slightly better education while the other four get a poorer one?
It’s worse when it gets to low income families where the figure drops to 1 in 20. That’s why I think it’s damaging to social mobility. |
The problem is that the school system is geared entirely towards academic achievement. With the best will in the World, there are plenty of kids out there who have no academic bent. Plenty of intelligence and capability, but no aptitude whatsoever towards exams and grades.
One of the biggest failings of the Blair Govt (alongside the Iraq war and Gordon Brown's raiding of pension funds which will impoverish future generations) is the absurd notion of 50% of school leavers going to University.
Why? Does the UK Labour market need 50% of potential employees to have a degree? Of course not. That's why we have shortages in certain areas now. [Post edited 29 Aug 2021 21:39]
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| That idiot Johnson on 21:43 - Aug 29 with 655 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| That idiot Johnson on 21:34 - Aug 29 by Dr_Winston |
The problem is that the school system is geared entirely towards academic achievement. With the best will in the World, there are plenty of kids out there who have no academic bent. Plenty of intelligence and capability, but no aptitude whatsoever towards exams and grades.
One of the biggest failings of the Blair Govt (alongside the Iraq war and Gordon Brown's raiding of pension funds which will impoverish future generations) is the absurd notion of 50% of school leavers going to University.
Why? Does the UK Labour market need 50% of potential employees to have a degree? Of course not. That's why we have shortages in certain areas now. [Post edited 29 Aug 2021 21:39]
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We used to have a system related to the future demands of the economy and that provided a variety of opportunities to develop a range of skills. | |
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| That idiot Johnson on 21:44 - Aug 29 with 655 views | Gwyn737 |
| That idiot Johnson on 21:34 - Aug 29 by Dr_Winston |
The problem is that the school system is geared entirely towards academic achievement. With the best will in the World, there are plenty of kids out there who have no academic bent. Plenty of intelligence and capability, but no aptitude whatsoever towards exams and grades.
One of the biggest failings of the Blair Govt (alongside the Iraq war and Gordon Brown's raiding of pension funds which will impoverish future generations) is the absurd notion of 50% of school leavers going to University.
Why? Does the UK Labour market need 50% of potential employees to have a degree? Of course not. That's why we have shortages in certain areas now. [Post edited 29 Aug 2021 21:39]
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The Labour ambition (it was never a hard target) certainly started the ball rolling but hasn’t been the biggest driver - that’s been tuition fees.
It’s no coincidence that since University’s have been monetised, places like Swansea have seen student accommodation numbers rise, it’s big business now.
You want to do a degree in tiddlywinks? If enough are willing to pay 9k a year some Uni will sort you out. | | | |
| That idiot Johnson on 21:52 - Aug 29 with 650 views | Dr_Winston |
| That idiot Johnson on 21:44 - Aug 29 by Gwyn737 |
The Labour ambition (it was never a hard target) certainly started the ball rolling but hasn’t been the biggest driver - that’s been tuition fees.
It’s no coincidence that since University’s have been monetised, places like Swansea have seen student accommodation numbers rise, it’s big business now.
You want to do a degree in tiddlywinks? If enough are willing to pay 9k a year some Uni will sort you out. |
That's a fair point.
I've not got a major issue with tuition fees. If graduates expect to earn a greater salary throughout their careers then asking them to contribute a bit towards their degree isn't a stretch IMO. But, as you say, there are Universities who see it as a cash cow.
I'd have no problem with the Govt offering subsidies towards "useful" degrees such as those in science, engineering or medicine tho. | |
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| That idiot Johnson on 22:02 - Aug 29 with 645 views | Gwyn737 |
| That idiot Johnson on 21:29 - Aug 29 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Grammar schools were working, secondary moderns were struggling in some cases, so the thinking was to pull the thing that worked rather than improve the thing that wasn't. |
Again, just for clarity, children who are bright enough to attend a grammar school would do just as well and in some cases marginally better than then same standard kids in the comprehensive system.
The argument about what academic goals should/could be is a completely different one. | | | |
| That idiot Johnson on 22:05 - Aug 29 with 641 views | Gwyn737 |
| That idiot Johnson on 21:31 - Aug 29 by Kilkennyjack |
Exactly right.
And there is the arguement that says if the parents of little Rees-Mogg were forced to be parents at the local comp then the local comp might benefit from their interest, influence, and wealth.
Would brimg people together. You know the drill .., One Nation.
However my main reason for wanting to burn the public schools to the ground, is based on the monsters they create. Monsters that then lead the rest of us over a cliff without a care in the world.
It has to stop. |
You misunderstand me. I’m fine with the massive majority of private schools. | | | |
| That idiot Johnson on 22:28 - Aug 29 with 621 views | felixstowe_jack |
| That idiot Johnson on 21:31 - Aug 29 by Kilkennyjack |
Exactly right.
And there is the arguement that says if the parents of little Rees-Mogg were forced to be parents at the local comp then the local comp might benefit from their interest, influence, and wealth.
Would brimg people together. You know the drill .., One Nation.
However my main reason for wanting to burn the public schools to the ground, is based on the monsters they create. Monsters that then lead the rest of us over a cliff without a care in the world.
It has to stop. |
Think you will find more monsters are created in inner city bog standard comprehensive schools you only have to look at knife crimes and murder numbers in London.
Private schools tend to produce well educated, well rounded individuals who go onto universities, get well paid jobs, pay their taxes, are open minded , innovative and produce wealth that is shared throughout the country.
Of course bigots will deny this. | |
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| That idiot Johnson on 22:42 - Aug 29 with 611 views | Kilkennyjack |
| That idiot Johnson on 22:28 - Aug 29 by felixstowe_jack |
Think you will find more monsters are created in inner city bog standard comprehensive schools you only have to look at knife crimes and murder numbers in London.
Private schools tend to produce well educated, well rounded individuals who go onto universities, get well paid jobs, pay their taxes, are open minded , innovative and produce wealth that is shared throughout the country.
Of course bigots will deny this. |
Like this guy ….. 🕺🤓
No, luckily young people today dont buy your ‘know your place’ shite.
As Presidents Obama and Biden have proved, ability trumps all.
I would take the comradeship of any of the Afghan refugees over the English Nationalist Tory party. Nye was right. 🀠| |
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| That idiot Johnson on 22:44 - Aug 29 with 614 views | BillyChong |
| That idiot Johnson on 22:28 - Aug 29 by felixstowe_jack |
Think you will find more monsters are created in inner city bog standard comprehensive schools you only have to look at knife crimes and murder numbers in London.
Private schools tend to produce well educated, well rounded individuals who go onto universities, get well paid jobs, pay their taxes, are open minded , innovative and produce wealth that is shared throughout the country.
Of course bigots will deny this. |
It’s a lot of money to pay just to learn Latin and self promotion | | | |
| That idiot Johnson on 22:49 - Aug 29 with 613 views | DJack |
| That idiot Johnson on 21:24 - Aug 29 by Kilkennyjack |
Train driver was/is a good job. Just saying. |
Very well paid... which is correct for the level of responsibility to the passengers. |  |
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| That idiot Johnson on 22:51 - Aug 29 with 608 views | Dr_Winston |
| That idiot Johnson on 22:49 - Aug 29 by DJack |
Very well paid... which is correct for the level of responsibility to the passengers. |
It wasn't in 1963. | |
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| That idiot Johnson on 23:23 - Aug 29 with 594 views | DJack |
| That idiot Johnson on 22:51 - Aug 29 by Dr_Winston |
It wasn't in 1963. |
Ok, I stand corrected buddy.
Additionally you make some good points on this thread but Grammar schools, much like the modern day Academies, take money from the system that would be better spent on improving the comprehensives. | |
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| That idiot Johnson on 07:44 - Aug 30 with 554 views | Kilkennyjack |
| That idiot Johnson on 22:51 - Aug 29 by Dr_Winston |
It wasn't in 1963. |
I suspect it was more than the families of almost every poster on here earned at that time.
A good job compared to others. | |
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| That idiot Johnson on 11:33 - Aug 30 with 527 views | Catullus |
| That idiot Johnson on 21:34 - Aug 29 by Dr_Winston |
The problem is that the school system is geared entirely towards academic achievement. With the best will in the World, there are plenty of kids out there who have no academic bent. Plenty of intelligence and capability, but no aptitude whatsoever towards exams and grades.
One of the biggest failings of the Blair Govt (alongside the Iraq war and Gordon Brown's raiding of pension funds which will impoverish future generations) is the absurd notion of 50% of school leavers going to University.
Why? Does the UK Labour market need 50% of potential employees to have a degree? Of course not. That's why we have shortages in certain areas now. [Post edited 29 Aug 2021 21:39]
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I agree 100%. Kids who are academically good should be encouraged along that path. Kids who aren't good academicallly should have extra lessons in basic education, maths, English, but instead of doing 6/7/8 GCE's or hatever the new exams are called, start training them in skills, give them apprenticeships in schools so 2 years later they are halfwat to a trade and a lifelong job opportunity. | |
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| That idiot Johnson on 17:41 - Aug 30 with 502 views | felixstowe_jack |
| That idiot Johnson on 07:44 - Aug 30 by Kilkennyjack |
I suspect it was more than the families of almost every poster on here earned at that time.
A good job compared to others. |
1953 average wage for men in UK was £12
1953 average wage for engine driver £11 to £13
1953 average wage for railway fireman £8 to £10
They were just about paid UK average for a dirty job that included very unsocial hours | |
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| That idiot Johnson on 17:41 - Aug 30 with 502 views | Dr_Winston |
Back when I was in school, loads of kids ended up doing GCSE's in stuff like Art, Drama and RE just because it was somewhere to put them and they had to do a certain number of subjects. A total waste of time and effort for all involved, and also disruptive to those kids who genuinely wanted to do Art, Drama and RE.
There should have been alternatives. | |
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| That idiot Johnson on 20:11 - Aug 30 with 478 views | Catullus |
| That idiot Johnson on 22:28 - Aug 29 by felixstowe_jack |
Think you will find more monsters are created in inner city bog standard comprehensive schools you only have to look at knife crimes and murder numbers in London.
Private schools tend to produce well educated, well rounded individuals who go onto universities, get well paid jobs, pay their taxes, are open minded , innovative and produce wealth that is shared throughout the country.
Of course bigots will deny this. |
I disagree, private school turns out a different kind of monster is all. It turns out people like Bojo, the better educated class of monster.
State school turns out petty criminals but private schools turn out people who screw over the entire country. | |
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| That idiot Johnson on 23:27 - Aug 31 with 425 views | Kilkennyjack |
| That idiot Johnson on 17:41 - Aug 30 by felixstowe_jack |
1953 average wage for men in UK was £12
1953 average wage for engine driver £11 to £13
1953 average wage for railway fireman £8 to £10
They were just about paid UK average for a dirty job that included very unsocial hours |
He said 1963 you div .. 😎 | |
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| That idiot Johnson on 07:22 - Sep 1 with 406 views | felixstowe_jack |
| That idiot Johnson on 23:27 - Aug 31 by Kilkennyjack |
He said 1963 you div .. 😎 |
What difference does it it make . Just showing that a train driver was not a highly paid well above average wage earner.
Just to help you out the inflation rate betwe1953 and 1963 was around 20% so you can add to 20% to the figures as the railway industry was in steep decline, was loss making and train drivers were unlikely to be increasing more than average wages
I notice you have not provided ANY EVIDENCE TO BACK YOU CLAIM AS PER USUAL.
If you can't prove your point why posts lies. [Post edited 1 Sep 2021 7:42]
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