| The kids are seeing sense 07:24 - Sep 7 with 7533 views | builthjack |
75% of 16 /17 year olds have now been vaccinated in Powys.
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| The kids are seeing sense on 10:22 - Sep 10 with 713 views | controversial_jack |
| The kids are seeing sense on 07:48 - Sep 10 by Scotia |
But they are in contact with those who are going to pubs and nightclubs, at least indirectly. We are basically living without restriction.
There is a world of difference between getting infected and getting severely ill. The efficacy drops against infection but apparently not against serious illness. That is a world away from "not being vaccinated" |
Indirectly of course, but is that enough for them to become infected?
Hospitals are slowly filling up, but deaths are lower, probably because the treatment is better. Patients are getting on oxygen earlier and various combinations of drugs are working better, so keeping many out of ICU. |  | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 10:34 - Sep 10 with 706 views | Scotia |
| The kids are seeing sense on 10:22 - Sep 10 by controversial_jack |
Indirectly of course, but is that enough for them to become infected?
Hospitals are slowly filling up, but deaths are lower, probably because the treatment is better. Patients are getting on oxygen earlier and various combinations of drugs are working better, so keeping many out of ICU. |
People who've been to nightclubs don't leave the virus there. They bring it home and pass it on.
Treatment is no better now than it was early in the 2021. Hospitals are filling up with at least as many people who haven't been vaccinated as those who've been vaccinated, and that is from just 10% of the population. It is also a worse case scenario, it has been stated 75% are unvaccinated.
I'm sorry to dissapoint you but people aren't dying becasue they've been vaccinated. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 10:41 - Sep 10 with 694 views | controversial_jack |
| The kids are seeing sense on 10:34 - Sep 10 by Scotia |
People who've been to nightclubs don't leave the virus there. They bring it home and pass it on.
Treatment is no better now than it was early in the 2021. Hospitals are filling up with at least as many people who haven't been vaccinated as those who've been vaccinated, and that is from just 10% of the population. It is also a worse case scenario, it has been stated 75% are unvaccinated.
I'm sorry to dissapoint you but people aren't dying becasue they've been vaccinated. |
It's not the black death. It's infectious but not that bad.
Treatment has improved, no idea where you got that from
The unvaccinated are generally the younger people who are mixing and coming into contact with the virus more often..Also being younger they have more chance of fighting it off.
Older people are generally being more cautious and avoiding contracting the virus. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 11:02 - Sep 10 with 689 views | Scotia |
| The kids are seeing sense on 10:41 - Sep 10 by controversial_jack |
It's not the black death. It's infectious but not that bad.
Treatment has improved, no idea where you got that from
The unvaccinated are generally the younger people who are mixing and coming into contact with the virus more often..Also being younger they have more chance of fighting it off.
Older people are generally being more cautious and avoiding contracting the virus. |
Treatment has not improved since the spring. Nothing has changed, some new drugs have been approved for use but they make little difference, are very expensive and not widely used.
It is far more infectious than the bubonic plague but not as deadly.
Older people are also avoiding contracting the virus becasue the vaccines work. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 12:28 - Sep 10 with 666 views | RonaldStump |
| The kids are seeing sense on 07:45 - Sep 10 by Scotia |
The Israel study refers to viral load. After a while you can get infected and carry a high viral load, you won't get seriously ill though.
The efficacy drops against mild illness but nowhere near as much against severe illness. |
Have you got data to back that absurdly wild claim up? | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 12:35 - Sep 10 with 661 views | RonaldStump |
| The kids are seeing sense on 10:34 - Sep 10 by Scotia |
People who've been to nightclubs don't leave the virus there. They bring it home and pass it on.
Treatment is no better now than it was early in the 2021. Hospitals are filling up with at least as many people who haven't been vaccinated as those who've been vaccinated, and that is from just 10% of the population. It is also a worse case scenario, it has been stated 75% are unvaccinated.
I'm sorry to dissapoint you but people aren't dying becasue they've been vaccinated. |
Oh yes they are and the VAERS/MRHA website will back that up even though as little as 10 % of adverse reactions are reported.
The hospitals are full of vaccinated people, all of the ones that have only had the one jab are classed as unvax.
You're going to be devastated this winter when the numbers will prove beyond reasonable doubt that it is infact the Vax that are taking up the hospital beds.
I genuinely will be very pleased and relieved if you prove me wrong on that fact but the way things are shaping up I just can't see it. | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 14:19 - Sep 10 with 639 views | Scotia |
| The kids are seeing sense on 12:35 - Sep 10 by RonaldStump |
Oh yes they are and the VAERS/MRHA website will back that up even though as little as 10 % of adverse reactions are reported.
The hospitals are full of vaccinated people, all of the ones that have only had the one jab are classed as unvax.
You're going to be devastated this winter when the numbers will prove beyond reasonable doubt that it is infact the Vax that are taking up the hospital beds.
I genuinely will be very pleased and relieved if you prove me wrong on that fact but the way things are shaping up I just can't see it. |
Pretty much every word wrong. Again.
Marginally better grammar. 2/10. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 14:20 - Sep 10 with 638 views | Scotia |
| The kids are seeing sense on 12:28 - Sep 10 by RonaldStump |
Have you got data to back that absurdly wild claim up? |
Yes. I referred to it in my post. | | | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 15:57 - Sep 10 with 606 views | felixstowe_jack |
The unvaccinated are 37 times more likely to end up in hospital than the vaccinated.
Get vaccinated you know it makes sense. | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 16:01 - Sep 10 with 605 views | ExiledJack |
| The kids are seeing sense on 15:57 - Sep 10 by felixstowe_jack |
The unvaccinated are 37 times more likely to end up in hospital than the vaccinated.
Get vaccinated you know it makes sense. |
I’m never getting vaccinated, which I know makes sense.
Did you read the article? Are you aware that within the groups of unvaccinated and vaccinated there are many subgroups who experience different risk factors?
Stop advising others, you know it makes sense. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 16:08 - Sep 10 with 601 views | Scotia |
It sort of misses the point. What is the risk of myocarditis to a teenage boy who catches covid?
In most cases myocarditis is a mild condition that clears with no treatment and sometimes occurs in those who contract the virus. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 16:38 - Sep 10 with 595 views | ExiledJack |
| The kids are seeing sense on 16:08 - Sep 10 by Scotia |
It sort of misses the point. What is the risk of myocarditis to a teenage boy who catches covid?
In most cases myocarditis is a mild condition that clears with no treatment and sometimes occurs in those who contract the virus. |
The risk of myocarditis via Covid to a teenage boy, in terms of case numbers, is significantly less than the risk of myocarditis via vaccines. We know this from the hospitalisation numbers in the article. You are correct in that the article doesn’t delve into severity other than the requirement for hospitalisation.
Your claim is that most of those cases via the vaccine will be mild and require no treatment (just a pleasant hospital visit), whereas the far fewer numbers of hospitalisation from Covid will be mostly serious cases? I can’t claim otherwise, I don’t have the data.
The main point for me, which should be obvious to everyone, is that the risk of Covid is markedly different across demographics, as is the risk of the vaccines. Some will make the argument for sacrificing people (including children now) for the greater good, but that is on flimsy ground given we know this virus is endemic. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 18:14 - Sep 10 with 561 views | Scotia |
| The kids are seeing sense on 16:38 - Sep 10 by ExiledJack |
The risk of myocarditis via Covid to a teenage boy, in terms of case numbers, is significantly less than the risk of myocarditis via vaccines. We know this from the hospitalisation numbers in the article. You are correct in that the article doesn’t delve into severity other than the requirement for hospitalisation.
Your claim is that most of those cases via the vaccine will be mild and require no treatment (just a pleasant hospital visit), whereas the far fewer numbers of hospitalisation from Covid will be mostly serious cases? I can’t claim otherwise, I don’t have the data.
The main point for me, which should be obvious to everyone, is that the risk of Covid is markedly different across demographics, as is the risk of the vaccines. Some will make the argument for sacrificing people (including children now) for the greater good, but that is on flimsy ground given we know this virus is endemic. |
I don't think we do know that from the hospital numbers in the article. The numbers relate to hospitalisation because of covid symptoms, myocarditis may not need hospitalisation and many symptoms could be confused with traditional covid symptoms.
It is quite possible a teenage boy could get myocarditis due to covid and not need hospital treatment or even know that they have it. [Post edited 10 Sep 2021 18:19]
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| The kids are seeing sense on 18:16 - Sep 10 with 557 views | Scotia |
But still incredibly effective. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 18:37 - Sep 10 with 544 views | ExiledJack |
| The kids are seeing sense on 18:14 - Sep 10 by Scotia |
I don't think we do know that from the hospital numbers in the article. The numbers relate to hospitalisation because of covid symptoms, myocarditis may not need hospitalisation and many symptoms could be confused with traditional covid symptoms.
It is quite possible a teenage boy could get myocarditis due to covid and not need hospital treatment or even know that they have it. [Post edited 10 Sep 2021 18:19]
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The risk of heart complications, leading to hospitalisations judged to be “moderate”, for boys aged 12-15 following the vaccine was 162.2 per million.
Amongst the same demographic, the risk of similarly moderate hospital treatment being required due to a covid infection is 26.7 per million.
Granted these are small proportions of the population but they are real lives, and the numbers clearly show the risk of hospitalisation is greater for this demographic if they take the vaccine than if they do not. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 18:42 - Sep 10 with 542 views | onehunglow |
It's clear that our stupidity will ensure it will possibly never go away.
Vaccine seen as child abuse. Think on that.
and cry | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 19:04 - Sep 10 with 532 views | Scotia |
| The kids are seeing sense on 18:37 - Sep 10 by ExiledJack |
The risk of heart complications, leading to hospitalisations judged to be “moderate”, for boys aged 12-15 following the vaccine was 162.2 per million.
Amongst the same demographic, the risk of similarly moderate hospital treatment being required due to a covid infection is 26.7 per million.
Granted these are small proportions of the population but they are real lives, and the numbers clearly show the risk of hospitalisation is greater for this demographic if they take the vaccine than if they do not. |
Your first paragraph is a complete misrepresentation.
The article says.
"They then compared this with the likelihood of children needing hospital treatment owing to Covid-19, at times of low, moderate and high rates of hospitalisation.
Researchers found that the risk of heart complications for boys aged 12-15 following the vaccine was 162.2 per million"
As I said myocarditis is a consequence of covid and is probably hugely under reported. Everyone is going to get covid, so it's quite possible that less boys will get myocarditis from the vaccine than the virus. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 19:14 - Sep 10 with 528 views | ExiledJack |
| The kids are seeing sense on 18:42 - Sep 10 by onehunglow |
It's clear that our stupidity will ensure it will possibly never go away.
Vaccine seen as child abuse. Think on that.
and cry |
Most experts expect the virus to be endemic, and not due to stupidity. The hope is that it becomes less impactful, either due to a beneficial (to us) mutation or due to population immunity, be that from vaccines or prior infections.
There are studies that show immunity from prior infection to be superior to immunity from vaccinations, and given the relative adverse outcomes from vaccination amongst certain demographics it does need to be considered as to whether that is the best course of action. Nothing to cry about. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 19:26 - Sep 10 with 525 views | ExiledJack |
| The kids are seeing sense on 19:04 - Sep 10 by Scotia |
Your first paragraph is a complete misrepresentation.
The article says.
"They then compared this with the likelihood of children needing hospital treatment owing to Covid-19, at times of low, moderate and high rates of hospitalisation.
Researchers found that the risk of heart complications for boys aged 12-15 following the vaccine was 162.2 per million"
As I said myocarditis is a consequence of covid and is probably hugely under reported. Everyone is going to get covid, so it's quite possible that less boys will get myocarditis from the vaccine than the virus. |
Could I ask that you read more of the article and then correct your misrepresentation when you have understood it please? The numbers for covid infections are a few sentences down.
The data literally states that, per million, more boys are hospitalised from myocarditis following the vaccine (you have posted the same numbers as me and yet claimed I have misrepresented) than the number of boys amongst the general population hospitalised with covid infections, for all related symptoms inclusive of myocarditis. [Post edited 10 Sep 2021 19:27]
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| The kids are seeing sense on 19:39 - Sep 10 with 516 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The kids are seeing sense on 19:26 - Sep 10 by ExiledJack |
Could I ask that you read more of the article and then correct your misrepresentation when you have understood it please? The numbers for covid infections are a few sentences down.
The data literally states that, per million, more boys are hospitalised from myocarditis following the vaccine (you have posted the same numbers as me and yet claimed I have misrepresented) than the number of boys amongst the general population hospitalised with covid infections, for all related symptoms inclusive of myocarditis. [Post edited 10 Sep 2021 19:27]
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What is worrying is people trying the play down the danger of these heart problems as being a minor problem.
Every single one of them can cause some damage to heart muscles that may not cause problems until many years from now.
To say they just "get over it" is disengenious.
On top of those numbers are all the ones who died from complications caused by the vaccines.
The likes of scotia and prof do not believe in the VAERs data. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 20:16 - Sep 10 with 498 views | onehunglow |
| The kids are seeing sense on 10:41 - Sep 10 by controversial_jack |
It's not the black death. It's infectious but not that bad.
Treatment has improved, no idea where you got that from
The unvaccinated are generally the younger people who are mixing and coming into contact with the virus more often..Also being younger they have more chance of fighting it off.
Older people are generally being more cautious and avoiding contracting the virus. |
Not that bad then>
You utter clown.
What a filthy phrase that insults the thosusands of healthy people covid killed.
I lost 3 very close friends with it and your comments fill me with contempt .
You are so utterly clueless it's painfull to behold.If you catch it or your family,remember what you posted on here. | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 20:27 - Sep 10 with 494 views | Scotia |
| The kids are seeing sense on 19:26 - Sep 10 by ExiledJack |
Could I ask that you read more of the article and then correct your misrepresentation when you have understood it please? The numbers for covid infections are a few sentences down.
The data literally states that, per million, more boys are hospitalised from myocarditis following the vaccine (you have posted the same numbers as me and yet claimed I have misrepresented) than the number of boys amongst the general population hospitalised with covid infections, for all related symptoms inclusive of myocarditis. [Post edited 10 Sep 2021 19:27]
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Nope. No correction needed.
You've either misrepresented the article or misunderstood it.
Where does it discuss hospitalisation due to vaccine induced myocarditis? | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 20:28 - Sep 10 with 492 views | Scotia |
| The kids are seeing sense on 19:39 - Sep 10 by A_Fans_Dad |
What is worrying is people trying the play down the danger of these heart problems as being a minor problem.
Every single one of them can cause some damage to heart muscles that may not cause problems until many years from now.
To say they just "get over it" is disengenious.
On top of those numbers are all the ones who died from complications caused by the vaccines.
The likes of scotia and prof do not believe in the VAERs data. |
I do believe it, I also understand it. | | | |
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