| The kids are seeing sense 07:24 - Sep 7 with 7531 views | builthjack |
75% of 16 /17 year olds have now been vaccinated in Powys.
Dont tell Stumpy, he will have kittens. |  |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 09:43 - Sep 12 with 807 views | Professor |
| The kids are seeing sense on 21:03 - Sep 11 by A_Fans_Dad |
Just as there has been no verification on the data on other vaccines for the last 20 years which it is compared to.
I don't care if you and scotia do not accept the VAERs and EU data, there are many who do and work with the data, because it is what we have. [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 12:21]
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But, there is growing evidence that VAERS is being targeted with falsified reporting. This questions it’s utility for any study |  | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 09:59 - Sep 12 with 781 views | RonaldStump |
| The kids are seeing sense on 09:43 - Sep 12 by Professor |
But, there is growing evidence that VAERS is being targeted with falsified reporting. This questions it’s utility for any study |
So you believe everything your told or is reported on when it suits the narrative but any opposing views are complete balony and unfounded rubbish from anti vaxxers.
You are no professor, professor's would have and be able to give a balanced view. You just sound like a brainwashed paid bot.
Come on what's your real job? | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 12:29 - Sep 12 with 746 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The kids are seeing sense on 09:59 - Sep 12 by RonaldStump |
So you believe everything your told or is reported on when it suits the narrative but any opposing views are complete balony and unfounded rubbish from anti vaxxers.
You are no professor, professor's would have and be able to give a balanced view. You just sound like a brainwashed paid bot.
Come on what's your real job? |
Ronald, I am sure that he is a real professor, the problem is everything he views is based on his choice of profession and who he knows to the exclusion of everything else.
He refuses to accept any other "professor" or professional regardless of what field they are in even if it is the subject being discussed.
As if highly educated people cannot read the science, the clinical studies or know when they are being lied to, even when there is glaring evidence. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 15:11 - Sep 12 with 714 views | Professor |
| The kids are seeing sense on 09:59 - Sep 12 by RonaldStump |
So you believe everything your told or is reported on when it suits the narrative but any opposing views are complete balony and unfounded rubbish from anti vaxxers.
You are no professor, professor's would have and be able to give a balanced view. You just sound like a brainwashed paid bot.
Come on what's your real job? |
Professor. Institute for Infection, Veterinary and Ecological Sciences, University of Liverpool
What you tin foil hat nutters don’t get that is the balanced view. Base d on science . Not MSM and not the idiocy you believe There are people out there who would express the views of ongoing restrictions and mandatory vaccination. This is the view of over 90% of scientists and medics.
Now get a life you idiotic WUM | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 15:54 - Sep 12 with 703 views | onehunglow |
| The kids are seeing sense on 12:29 - Sep 12 by A_Fans_Dad |
Ronald, I am sure that he is a real professor, the problem is everything he views is based on his choice of profession and who he knows to the exclusion of everything else.
He refuses to accept any other "professor" or professional regardless of what field they are in even if it is the subject being discussed.
As if highly educated people cannot read the science, the clinical studies or know when they are being lied to, even when there is glaring evidence. |
You two do not have the combined intelligence level of an average amoeba.
You are so utterly outgunned interlectually it is painful to see.
Here's a tip from an old one.Pick your fights or squabbles carefully and when losing don't the hole any deeper.
Paul,just as well hate speech is "banned "from this site as these two chaps really need a volley of invective.
Their attitude are killing people-literally.
ask them this
How would they have dealt with covid and what should we do now.
That usually shuts them up dead. | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 11:09 - Sep 13 with 628 views | RonaldStump |
| The kids are seeing sense on 15:54 - Sep 12 by onehunglow |
You two do not have the combined intelligence level of an average amoeba.
You are so utterly outgunned interlectually it is painful to see.
Here's a tip from an old one.Pick your fights or squabbles carefully and when losing don't the hole any deeper.
Paul,just as well hate speech is "banned "from this site as these two chaps really need a volley of invective.
Their attitude are killing people-literally.
ask them this
How would they have dealt with covid and what should we do now.
That usually shuts them up dead. |
I've told you time after time what the answer is. You pretend to have me on ignore and fail to respond. The reason for that is because you haven't got a clue, you've let the government mind control and chinese style propaganda scare you into giving up your freedoms without as much as a whimper, granted you are not the only one,
lets just thank the lord people like you weren't around in the world wars otherwise we'd all be speaking german. | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 18:38 - Sep 13 with 591 views | felixstowe_jack |
Good news that over 12s are going to be offered a single dose of the vaccine.
Just need the unvaccinated 10% of adults, especially in London to get a jab. | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 18:52 - Sep 13 with 580 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The kids are seeing sense on 18:38 - Sep 13 by felixstowe_jack |
Good news that over 12s are going to be offered a single dose of the vaccine.
Just need the unvaccinated 10% of adults, especially in London to get a jab. |
The governments own dataas posted in the DM.
The risk of being admitted to ICU for under 16s
Fit & Healthy = 2 per million
Unhealthy = 100 per million
Myocarditis alone (many other adverse effects)
First dose = 3 to 17 per million
second dose = 12 to 34 per million
So you are suggesting taking chances with children's lives when they stand less chance of being injured by COVID
Shame on you and the government. | | | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 19:25 - Sep 13 with 578 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The kids are seeing sense on 18:52 - Sep 13 by A_Fans_Dad |
The governments own dataas posted in the DM.
The risk of being admitted to ICU for under 16s
Fit & Healthy = 2 per million
Unhealthy = 100 per million
Myocarditis alone (many other adverse effects)
First dose = 3 to 17 per million
second dose = 12 to 34 per million
So you are suggesting taking chances with children's lives when they stand less chance of being injured by COVID
Shame on you and the government. |
Get your facts tight they are not having a second dose.
Unlike in the EU where overs 12s in Italy France and Ireland have been getting vaccines for weeks and are getting two doses.
Our children need a good education not being sent home every few weeks. Once they fall behind they will catch up . | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 20:24 - Sep 13 with 555 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The kids are seeing sense on 19:25 - Sep 13 by felixstowe_jack |
Get your facts tight they are not having a second dose.
Unlike in the EU where overs 12s in Italy France and Ireland have been getting vaccines for weeks and are getting two doses.
Our children need a good education not being sent home every few weeks. Once they fall behind they will catch up . |
Look at the numbers, one dose is enough. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 22:08 - Sep 13 with 534 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The kids are seeing sense on 20:24 - Sep 13 by A_Fans_Dad |
Look at the numbers, one dose is enough. |
For every million doses given to over 12s it will reduce hospital admissions by 87 and ITU admissions by 2.
It estimated there may by between 3 and 17 very mild heart inflammations per 1 million over 12s which is actually lower than the side effects of catching coronavirus. | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 23:18 - Sep 13 with 509 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The kids are seeing sense on 22:08 - Sep 13 by felixstowe_jack |
For every million doses given to over 12s it will reduce hospital admissions by 87 and ITU admissions by 2.
It estimated there may by between 3 and 17 very mild heart inflammations per 1 million over 12s which is actually lower than the side effects of catching coronavirus. |
And the blood clots, neurological damage, Gillian Barr syndrome?
They don't talk about those do they?
Therefore you don't know about them.
I suggest you try looking at the USA & DO data to see what happens to the kids, you might learn something. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 00:37 - Sep 14 with 507 views | Catullus |
| The kids are seeing sense on 22:08 - Sep 13 by felixstowe_jack |
For every million doses given to over 12s it will reduce hospital admissions by 87 and ITU admissions by 2.
It estimated there may by between 3 and 17 very mild heart inflammations per 1 million over 12s which is actually lower than the side effects of catching coronavirus. |
We have talked about this with our 12 year old. We agreed that we'd find out all the facts, look at the odds and while we may tell him we think he should get jabbed we are leaving the final choice up to him. We already know he probably can't have the AZ because of his food allergy. We will get expert medical opinion before making any decision.
It annoys me when people make out there are so many adverse reactions as if every reaction is life threatening. The vast majority of reactions are so minor most of us don't even notice and I've seen it said a few times that Covid carries more chance of myocarditis than the jab does. | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 06:22 - Sep 14 with 490 views | Professor |
| The kids are seeing sense on 23:18 - Sep 13 by A_Fans_Dad |
And the blood clots, neurological damage, Gillian Barr syndrome?
They don't talk about those do they?
Therefore you don't know about them.
I suggest you try looking at the USA & DO data to see what happens to the kids, you might learn something. |
Who is Gillian Barr? | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 06:32 - Sep 14 with 489 views | Professor |
| The kids are seeing sense on 00:37 - Sep 14 by Catullus |
We have talked about this with our 12 year old. We agreed that we'd find out all the facts, look at the odds and while we may tell him we think he should get jabbed we are leaving the final choice up to him. We already know he probably can't have the AZ because of his food allergy. We will get expert medical opinion before making any decision.
It annoys me when people make out there are so many adverse reactions as if every reaction is life threatening. The vast majority of reactions are so minor most of us don't even notice and I've seen it said a few times that Covid carries more chance of myocarditis than the jab does. |
Look at the relative risks Cat. Things which may be statistically significant increases of adverse effects are still tiny. The annual risk of Guillain-Barré syndrome is about 1 in 6
Million. Vaccination charges that to about 1 in 3 million. Eating chicken is a bigger risk as most cases are a consequence of foodborne infection-Campylobacter from chicken.
And yes you are right that the risk of mycocarditis is about seven time greater from infection. Serious adverse events are extremely rare, but discuss it with your boy and be aware of any risks. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 06:52 - Sep 14 with 483 views | jackrmee |
| The kids are seeing sense on 19:25 - Sep 13 by felixstowe_jack |
Get your facts tight they are not having a second dose.
Unlike in the EU where overs 12s in Italy France and Ireland have been getting vaccines for weeks and are getting two doses.
Our children need a good education not being sent home every few weeks. Once they fall behind they will catch up . |
So how come kids are going to be safe after just one dose, when everyone else needs 2 doses, along with ongoing boosters? |  |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 07:01 - Sep 14 with 481 views | jackrmee |
| The kids are seeing sense on 06:32 - Sep 14 by Professor |
Look at the relative risks Cat. Things which may be statistically significant increases of adverse effects are still tiny. The annual risk of Guillain-Barré syndrome is about 1 in 6
Million. Vaccination charges that to about 1 in 3 million. Eating chicken is a bigger risk as most cases are a consequence of foodborne infection-Campylobacter from chicken.
And yes you are right that the risk of mycocarditis is about seven time greater from infection. Serious adverse events are extremely rare, but discuss it with your boy and be aware of any risks. |
Didn't I read somewhere on here that for 12 years old boys, it's safer to get covid than the vaccine? | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 07:40 - Sep 14 with 476 views | Scotia |
| The kids are seeing sense on 07:01 - Sep 14 by jackrmee |
Didn't I read somewhere on here that for 12 years old boys, it's safer to get covid than the vaccine? |
You may have read it on here, but it's not the case. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 07:46 - Sep 14 with 473 views | jackrmee |
| The kids are seeing sense on 07:40 - Sep 14 by Scotia |
You may have read it on here, but it's not the case. |
"Teenage boys are six times more likely to suffer from heart problems from the vaccine than be hospitalised from Covid-19, a major study has found "
https://archive.is/unIsP#selec | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 07:53 - Sep 14 with 465 views | Scotia |
| The kids are seeing sense on 07:46 - Sep 14 by jackrmee |
"Teenage boys are six times more likely to suffer from heart problems from the vaccine than be hospitalised from Covid-19, a major study has found "
https://archive.is/unIsP#selec |
That was posted on here on Saturday. It's not really relevant and isn't a legitmate comparison.
Myocarditis is far more common after covid infection than after receiving the vaccine and in the majority of cases doesn't need anything other than over the counter treatments. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 08:20 - Sep 14 with 452 views | jackrmee |
| The kids are seeing sense on 07:53 - Sep 14 by Scotia |
That was posted on here on Saturday. It's not really relevant and isn't a legitmate comparison.
Myocarditis is far more common after covid infection than after receiving the vaccine and in the majority of cases doesn't need anything other than over the counter treatments. |
So they are not likely to be hospitalised by COVID, but they are more likely to catch COVID and get a heart condition from it, than from the vaccine?
Any studies on that available? | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 08:37 - Sep 14 with 446 views | Scotia |
| The kids are seeing sense on 08:20 - Sep 14 by jackrmee |
So they are not likely to be hospitalised by COVID, but they are more likely to catch COVID and get a heart condition from it, than from the vaccine?
Any studies on that available? |
Basically yes.
https://www.newscientist.com/a | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 08:47 - Sep 14 with 442 views | jackrmee |
OK, but if they are all getting vaccinated, then there will be 100% of them at risk of getting the heart condition.
100% of them aren't going to catch covid. | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 08:54 - Sep 14 with 436 views | Scotia |
| The kids are seeing sense on 08:47 - Sep 14 by jackrmee |
OK, but if they are all getting vaccinated, then there will be 100% of them at risk of getting the heart condition.
100% of them aren't going to catch covid. |
100% of them will at some point. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 09:15 - Sep 14 with 429 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The kids are seeing sense on 06:52 - Sep 14 by jackrmee |
So how come kids are going to be safe after just one dose, when everyone else needs 2 doses, along with ongoing boosters? |
Simple their immune system is far better than adults to start with one dose with give them better than 90% total immunity. | |
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