| The kids are seeing sense 07:24 - Sep 7 with 6612 views | builthjack |
75% of 16 /17 year olds have now been vaccinated in Powys.
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| The kids are seeing sense on 17:06 - Sep 8 with 654 views | Professor |
| The kids are seeing sense on 16:37 - Sep 8 by Professor |
About 21 to 1 then Cat. The principle and idea is the same. Vaccines reduced hospitalisation risk by 90%. Yet there will be a tirade of abuse for me from AFD and Stump and their camp followers, because nutcase sites like 'welovetrump.com" or 'marryyoursister.com" disagree.
One of those sites may be made up. |
You may also be able to tell that I am in no mood for the idiots today Cat! |  | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 17:39 - Sep 8 with 633 views | controversial_jack |
| The kids are seeing sense on 16:19 - Sep 8 by Catullus |
No, the unvaccinated are twice as likely to be hpsitalised as the vaccinated, that's without taking the patient demographics into account. As most of the vaccinated are older and are more likely to have existing health problems I guess the odds would get higher.
All those people who can't even follow the simple rules like hand washing and mask wearing, do they all read the news and know there is a new variant in town, the 'Mu' variant is here and apparently is showing signs of being an immune evasive variant.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/ |
That's what i said! It's still not very good odds. The idea of a vaccine is to give, the old, sick and vulnerable the most protection not the least.I want a vaccine that will keep me out of hospital, I don't want a lottery.
I agree about the basic hygiene though. A new variant would be worrying, just as the vaccines lost their edge against the delta one.
How long does protection last? I have read only a few months until it drops right off. If so the ones who had it first can consider themselves unvaccinated. We can't keep shoving this stuff into out bodies every 6 months from here on, that can't be good at all. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 18:20 - Sep 8 with 618 views | Gwyn737 |
| The kids are seeing sense on 17:39 - Sep 8 by controversial_jack |
That's what i said! It's still not very good odds. The idea of a vaccine is to give, the old, sick and vulnerable the most protection not the least.I want a vaccine that will keep me out of hospital, I don't want a lottery.
I agree about the basic hygiene though. A new variant would be worrying, just as the vaccines lost their edge against the delta one.
How long does protection last? I have read only a few months until it drops right off. If so the ones who had it first can consider themselves unvaccinated. We can't keep shoving this stuff into out bodies every 6 months from here on, that can't be good at all. |
The odds are twice as good with the elderly and sick vaccinated.
If they weren’t, the death rate would be awful.
Why do people insist on a straight vaccinated/unvaccinated comparison. It’s ridiculous. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 18:20 - Sep 8 with 618 views | jackrmee |
| The kids are seeing sense on 17:39 - Sep 8 by controversial_jack |
That's what i said! It's still not very good odds. The idea of a vaccine is to give, the old, sick and vulnerable the most protection not the least.I want a vaccine that will keep me out of hospital, I don't want a lottery.
I agree about the basic hygiene though. A new variant would be worrying, just as the vaccines lost their edge against the delta one.
How long does protection last? I have read only a few months until it drops right off. If so the ones who had it first can consider themselves unvaccinated. We can't keep shoving this stuff into out bodies every 6 months from here on, that can't be good at all. |
Especially when no-one knows the long term effects from 1 dose, let alone a new dose every few months. Crazy. |  |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 19:00 - Sep 8 with 608 views | Boundy |
Reading both arguments I can see a case for both sides but has anyone an alternative solution. to whats currently available. All I can see atm is the world is just firefighting the situation without actually getting to grips, ,we've seen severe and not so lockdowns across the world but we've still have massive problem ahead of us in terms of our freedoms and normality , maybe this is the new world ? | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 19:15 - Sep 8 with 595 views | Catullus |
| The kids are seeing sense on 17:06 - Sep 8 by Professor |
You may also be able to tell that I am in no mood for the idiots today Cat! |
No mood for idiots....you're always nice to me 
So it's about 21:1 then, that's much better odds.
I can understand people worrying about the long term effects of new vaccines but lets face it, is it better to risk serious illness and maybe die this year or have the vaccine and find out something is wrong in 5/10/20 years?
Where would we be now without the vaccines? Maybe the NHS would have collapsed, maybe so many people would be so ill that other services collapsed under the strain, maybe there'd be food riots?
Maybe people should think about the possible consequences if we didn't have vaccines? | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 20:20 - Sep 8 with 577 views | felixstowe_jack |
75% of people ending up in hospital have not received the vaccine , given that they now make only about 10% of the over 16s population they are 27 times more likely to end up in hospital than vaccinated people. | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 20:40 - Sep 8 with 573 views | Kilkennyjack |
This is dreadful.
Its not over by a long way. |  |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 20:47 - Sep 8 with 565 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The kids are seeing sense on 20:40 - Sep 8 by Kilkennyjack |
This is dreadful.
Its not over by a long way. |
Follow the expert advice and go get your jabs Jack Army.
Make sure you are there to see us in the FA Cup Final next May. | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 22:12 - Sep 8 with 545 views | controversial_jack |
| The kids are seeing sense on 20:20 - Sep 8 by felixstowe_jack |
75% of people ending up in hospital have not received the vaccine , given that they now make only about 10% of the over 16s population they are 27 times more likely to end up in hospital than vaccinated people. |
No, because the vast majority of the population have been vaccinated, so 25% of the total of those vaccinated ppl end up in hospital. 25% of 90%, is a lot more than 75% of 10% | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 22:20 - Sep 8 with 541 views | Gwyn737 |
| The kids are seeing sense on 22:12 - Sep 8 by controversial_jack |
No, because the vast majority of the population have been vaccinated, so 25% of the total of those vaccinated ppl end up in hospital. 25% of 90%, is a lot more than 75% of 10% |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 22:21 - Sep 8 with 541 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The kids are seeing sense on 20:40 - Sep 8 by Kilkennyjack |
This is dreadful.
Its not over by a long way. |
New cases last 7 days per 100,000
Scotland 800
Ni 531
Wales 493
England 324
Seems to out of control particularly in Scotland, NI, and Wales.
If only we could get the selfish 10% who are not vaccinated to see sense. [Post edited 8 Sep 2021 22:22]
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| The kids are seeing sense on 22:21 - Sep 8 with 540 views | londonlisa2001 |
| The kids are seeing sense on 22:12 - Sep 8 by controversial_jack |
No, because the vast majority of the population have been vaccinated, so 25% of the total of those vaccinated ppl end up in hospital. 25% of 90%, is a lot more than 75% of 10% |
Does anyone do any maths whatsoever in school any more?
If there are 200 people in total over 16 and 90% are vaccinated that’s 180 vaccinated and 20 not.
If 20 in total are hospitalised (10% of the population - just as an example) and 75% of them are not vaccinated, that means that 15 of the 20 are not vaccinated and 5 of the 20 are.
So that would mean 15 of the 20 unvaccinated compared to 5 of the 180 unvaccinated. These are unbelievably strong figures in favour of the vaccine.
It’s just an example to show how it works but this is basic stuff.
What you have written is just utter nonsense. It’s 25% of those hospitalised, but 25% of those that have had the vaccine. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 22:25 - Sep 8 with 531 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The kids are seeing sense on 22:12 - Sep 8 by controversial_jack |
No, because the vast majority of the population have been vaccinated, so 25% of the total of those vaccinated ppl end up in hospital. 25% of 90%, is a lot more than 75% of 10% |
Unvaccinated are 27 times more likely to end up in hospital than the vaccinated. | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 22:26 - Sep 8 with 530 views | Gwyn737 |
| The kids are seeing sense on 22:21 - Sep 8 by londonlisa2001 |
Does anyone do any maths whatsoever in school any more?
If there are 200 people in total over 16 and 90% are vaccinated that’s 180 vaccinated and 20 not.
If 20 in total are hospitalised (10% of the population - just as an example) and 75% of them are not vaccinated, that means that 15 of the 20 are not vaccinated and 5 of the 20 are.
So that would mean 15 of the 20 unvaccinated compared to 5 of the 180 unvaccinated. These are unbelievably strong figures in favour of the vaccine.
It’s just an example to show how it works but this is basic stuff.
What you have written is just utter nonsense. It’s 25% of those hospitalised, but 25% of those that have had the vaccine. |
Unless he believes there are about 45,000,000 vaccinated people in hospital.
The maths would be right then. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 22:32 - Sep 8 with 525 views | londonlisa2001 |
| The kids are seeing sense on 22:26 - Sep 8 by Gwyn737 |
Unless he believes there are about 45,000,000 vaccinated people in hospital.
The maths would be right then. |
This whole topic would be less painful if people who are slow to pick up even the most basic points stopped thinking they knew more than the best medics and scientists in the world. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 22:45 - Sep 8 with 521 views | controversial_jack |
| The kids are seeing sense on 22:26 - Sep 8 by Gwyn737 |
Unless he believes there are about 45,000,000 vaccinated people in hospital.
The maths would be right then. |
There aren't 12,000000 in hospital either. The entire population isn't going to contract covid. Just 10% of the population have caught it so far, vaccinated or unvacinated. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 00:57 - Sep 9 with 494 views | RonaldStump |
| The kids are seeing sense on 22:32 - Sep 8 by londonlisa2001 |
This whole topic would be less painful if people who are slow to pick up even the most basic points stopped thinking they knew more than the best medics and scientists in the world. |
The best medics and scientists in the world ?
Are we talking about those on the payroll of big Pharma, maybe even those with shares in the companies.
Or are we talking those that are trying to speak out but are being censored for having an alternative view? | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 01:01 - Sep 9 with 491 views | RonaldStump |
| The kids are seeing sense on 22:25 - Sep 8 by felixstowe_jack |
Unvaccinated are 27 times more likely to end up in hospital than the vaccinated. |
Absolute rubbish, you have nothing to back that up.
I'll wait
You need to go a bit deeper than just vax v unvax, there are so many other things to take into consideration, health lifestyle eating habits etc will play a part in if you go to hospital or not.
Of course the media would love you to think it's just about vax v unvax there is more money in that for big pharma.
Try thinking outside the box yeah
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| The kids are seeing sense on 07:53 - Sep 9 with 465 views | Scotia |
| The kids are seeing sense on 01:01 - Sep 9 by RonaldStump |
Absolute rubbish, you have nothing to back that up.
I'll wait
You need to go a bit deeper than just vax v unvax, there are so many other things to take into consideration, health lifestyle eating habits etc will play a part in if you go to hospital or not.
Of course the media would love you to think it's just about vax v unvax there is more money in that for big pharma.
Try thinking outside the box yeah
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Apart from the numbers in hospital that clearlry demonstrate it.
I'll wait for you do to the calculations, probably for a very long time as I don't think you have enough fingers. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 07:56 - Sep 9 with 463 views | Scotia |
| The kids are seeing sense on 22:45 - Sep 8 by controversial_jack |
There aren't 12,000000 in hospital either. The entire population isn't going to contract covid. Just 10% of the population have caught it so far, vaccinated or unvacinated. |
That's just wrong too.
About 8% had contracted covid at the end of the first wave, thats before Alpha, before Delta and before restrictions were relaxed. | | | |
| The kids are seeing sense on 08:36 - Sep 9 with 450 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The kids are seeing sense on 01:01 - Sep 9 by RonaldStump |
Absolute rubbish, you have nothing to back that up.
I'll wait
You need to go a bit deeper than just vax v unvax, there are so many other things to take into consideration, health lifestyle eating habits etc will play a part in if you go to hospital or not.
Of course the media would love you to think it's just about vax v unvax there is more money in that for big pharma.
Try thinking outside the box yeah
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Sums for the simple minded
Out of every 100 on hospital
75 are unvaccinated
25 are vaccinated
Three times as many unvaccinated as vaccinated
There are 9 times more over 16s vaccinated than unvaccinated
Therefore 3 × 9 = 27 gives you answers that if you are unvaccinated you are 27 times more likely to end up in hospital than the vaccinated.
Being vaccinated means you are far less likely to catch it, far less likely to spread it, far less likely to need hospital treatment and far less likely to die.
Get vaccinated you know it makes sense. | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 09:32 - Sep 9 with 433 views | RonaldStump |
| The kids are seeing sense on 07:53 - Sep 9 by Scotia |
Apart from the numbers in hospital that clearlry demonstrate it.
I'll wait for you do to the calculations, probably for a very long time as I don't think you have enough fingers. |
As i said there is far more to it than vax v unvax. I'd have thought even a simpleton like you could work that out | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 09:35 - Sep 9 with 432 views | RonaldStump |
| The kids are seeing sense on 08:36 - Sep 9 by felixstowe_jack |
Sums for the simple minded
Out of every 100 on hospital
75 are unvaccinated
25 are vaccinated
Three times as many unvaccinated as vaccinated
There are 9 times more over 16s vaccinated than unvaccinated
Therefore 3 × 9 = 27 gives you answers that if you are unvaccinated you are 27 times more likely to end up in hospital than the vaccinated.
Being vaccinated means you are far less likely to catch it, far less likely to spread it, far less likely to need hospital treatment and far less likely to die.
Get vaccinated you know it makes sense. |
Again utter made up dribble to suit your narrative.
I won't explain again you are too far gone to even comprehend what's going on.
Good luck, you're going to need it | |
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| The kids are seeing sense on 10:21 - Sep 9 with 425 views | Scotia |
| The kids are seeing sense on 09:32 - Sep 9 by RonaldStump |
As i said there is far more to it than vax v unvax. I'd have thought even a simpleton like you could work that out |
Like what? | | | |
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