| The unvaccinated are being locked up 23:37 - Nov 11 with 12570 views | builthjack |
Austria are heading for a lockdown for the unvaccinated. They are banned from a lot of places already. Perhaps other countries will follow.
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| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 18:57 - Dec 11 with 1084 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 18:02 - Dec 11 by DJack |
To "You are unaware of the rules then, form the UK.Gov site.
"Received one dose, ≥21 days before specimen date"
and "Second dose ≥14 days before specimen date" Within those periods they get downrated, although it is not clear whether the Second dose reverts to a single dose or unvaxxed. "
And you also posted later "I have already posted numbers with the required link to the UK GOV data."
So you spouting crap again? |
Do you mean this link, which I have poste at least 5 times over the last few months and even last week?
https://assets.publishing.serv
Tables 8, 9, 10a, 10b and 11. |  | | |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 19:36 - Dec 11 with 1060 views | majorraglan |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 18:55 - Dec 11 by A_Fans_Dad |
If you repeat that one more time I will report you to admin. |
Why don’t you answer him so he doesn’t have to repeat the question? | | | |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 19:40 - Dec 11 with 1051 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 19:36 - Dec 11 by majorraglan |
Why don’t you answer him so he doesn’t have to repeat the question? |
You haven't been paying attention have you?
I have answered numerous times, he ignores the answer and asks the same question again. | | | |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 00:03 - Dec 12 with 1018 views | DJack |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 19:40 - Dec 11 by A_Fans_Dad |
You haven't been paying attention have you?
I have answered numerous times, he ignores the answer and asks the same question again. |
And others have repeated/answered a statment many times and you ignore them and you still push the same rubbish. |  |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 00:17 - Dec 12 with 1010 views | Jack123 |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 00:03 - Dec 12 by DJack |
And others have repeated/answered a statment many times and you ignore them and you still push the same rubbish. |
Dj, may I interject, he has answered your question for a link, it's only a few posts up. |  |
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| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 00:23 - Dec 12 with 1006 views | DJack |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 18:57 - Dec 11 by A_Fans_Dad |
Do you mean this link, which I have poste at least 5 times over the last few months and even last week?
https://assets.publishing.serv
Tables 8, 9, 10a, 10b and 11. |
Listen up sunshine, FINALLY you give what I asked for . At no time did you make it obvious which report you were on about. It's late, I'm tired but nowhere do I see anything supportingyour claim that
"Within those periods they get downrated, although it is not clear whether the Second dose reverts to a single dose or unvaxxed. "
Additionally this data (even though grouped) is raw data and the report even mentions the issues with the data.
"We present data on COVID-19 cases, hospitalisations and deaths by vaccination status. This
raw data should not be used to estimate vaccine effectiveness as the data does not take into
account inherent biases present such as differences in risk, behaviour and testing in the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations. Vaccine effectiveness is measured in other ways as
detailed in the ‘Vaccine Effectiveness’ Section."
"Interpretation of data
This data should be considered in the context of the vaccination status of the population groups
shown in the rest of this report. In the context of very high vaccine coverage in the population,
even with a highly effective vaccine, it is expected that a large proportion of cases,
hospitalisations and deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, simply because a larger
proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no vaccine is 100% effective.
This is especially true because vaccination has been prioritised in individuals who are more
susceptible or more at risk of severe disease. Individuals in risk groups may also be more at risk
of hospitalisation or death due to non-COVID-19 causes, and thus may be hospitalised or die
with COVID-19 rather than from COVID-19.
The vaccination status of cases, inpatients and deaths should not be used to assess vaccine
effectiveness because of differences in risk, behaviour and testing in the vaccinated and
unvaccinated populations. The case rates in the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations are
crude rates that do not take into account underlying statistical biases in the data. There are
likely to be systematic differences between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, for
example:
- people who are fully vaccinated may be more health conscious and therefore more
likely to get tested for COVID-19 and so more likely to be identified as a case (based
on the data provided by the NHS Test and Trace)
- many of those who were at the head of the queue for vaccination are those at higher
risk from COVID-19 due to their age, their occupation, their family circumstances or
because of underlying health issues
- people who are fully vaccinated and people who are unvaccinated may behave
differently, particularly with regard to social interactions and therefore may have
differing levels of exposure to COVID-19
COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report — week 49
29
- people who have never been vaccinated are more likely to have caught COVID-19 in
the weeks or months before the period of the cases covered in the report. This gives
them some natural immunity to the virus for a few months which may have
contributed to a lower case rate in the past few weeks
These biases become more evident as more people are vaccinated and the differences
between the vaccinated and unvaccinated population become systematically different in ways
that are not accounted for without undertaken formal analysis of vaccine effectiveness. Vaccine
effectiveness has been formally estimated from a number of different sources and is described
on pages 5 to 11 in this report."
Vaccinated counts from one dose no matter what rubbish you spout. Vaccinated people are less likely to get hospitalised/die no matter what you spout. your cherry picking of out of context data changes nothing...no matter what rubbish you spout.
You are obviously more clever than I but on this subject you are an abject and craven moron desperately seeking justification as the one person seeing what the majority cant see..except you are deluded and you continue to self-delude. I feel nothing but pity for you but I also wish that karma gives you the bite on the ass that you so deserve and that's awful because that would be as life threatening as the vomit you espouse. | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 00:29 - Dec 12 with 1002 views | Jack123 |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 00:23 - Dec 12 by DJack |
Listen up sunshine, FINALLY you give what I asked for . At no time did you make it obvious which report you were on about. It's late, I'm tired but nowhere do I see anything supportingyour claim that
"Within those periods they get downrated, although it is not clear whether the Second dose reverts to a single dose or unvaxxed. "
Additionally this data (even though grouped) is raw data and the report even mentions the issues with the data.
"We present data on COVID-19 cases, hospitalisations and deaths by vaccination status. This
raw data should not be used to estimate vaccine effectiveness as the data does not take into
account inherent biases present such as differences in risk, behaviour and testing in the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations. Vaccine effectiveness is measured in other ways as
detailed in the ‘Vaccine Effectiveness’ Section."
"Interpretation of data
This data should be considered in the context of the vaccination status of the population groups
shown in the rest of this report. In the context of very high vaccine coverage in the population,
even with a highly effective vaccine, it is expected that a large proportion of cases,
hospitalisations and deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, simply because a larger
proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no vaccine is 100% effective.
This is especially true because vaccination has been prioritised in individuals who are more
susceptible or more at risk of severe disease. Individuals in risk groups may also be more at risk
of hospitalisation or death due to non-COVID-19 causes, and thus may be hospitalised or die
with COVID-19 rather than from COVID-19.
The vaccination status of cases, inpatients and deaths should not be used to assess vaccine
effectiveness because of differences in risk, behaviour and testing in the vaccinated and
unvaccinated populations. The case rates in the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations are
crude rates that do not take into account underlying statistical biases in the data. There are
likely to be systematic differences between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, for
example:
- people who are fully vaccinated may be more health conscious and therefore more
likely to get tested for COVID-19 and so more likely to be identified as a case (based
on the data provided by the NHS Test and Trace)
- many of those who were at the head of the queue for vaccination are those at higher
risk from COVID-19 due to their age, their occupation, their family circumstances or
because of underlying health issues
- people who are fully vaccinated and people who are unvaccinated may behave
differently, particularly with regard to social interactions and therefore may have
differing levels of exposure to COVID-19
COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report — week 49
29
- people who have never been vaccinated are more likely to have caught COVID-19 in
the weeks or months before the period of the cases covered in the report. This gives
them some natural immunity to the virus for a few months which may have
contributed to a lower case rate in the past few weeks
These biases become more evident as more people are vaccinated and the differences
between the vaccinated and unvaccinated population become systematically different in ways
that are not accounted for without undertaken formal analysis of vaccine effectiveness. Vaccine
effectiveness has been formally estimated from a number of different sources and is described
on pages 5 to 11 in this report."
Vaccinated counts from one dose no matter what rubbish you spout. Vaccinated people are less likely to get hospitalised/die no matter what you spout. your cherry picking of out of context data changes nothing...no matter what rubbish you spout.
You are obviously more clever than I but on this subject you are an abject and craven moron desperately seeking justification as the one person seeing what the majority cant see..except you are deluded and you continue to self-delude. I feel nothing but pity for you but I also wish that karma gives you the bite on the ass that you so deserve and that's awful because that would be as life threatening as the vomit you espouse. |
You should delete that last paragraph mate, that's just nasty, and frankly disgusting. | |
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| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 00:39 - Dec 12 with 993 views | DJack |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 00:29 - Dec 12 by Jack123 |
You should delete that last paragraph mate, that's just nasty, and frankly disgusting. |
No worse than his ravings which put innocent people at risk but we dont hear a peep from you then do we. | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 00:46 - Dec 12 with 989 views | Jack123 |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 00:39 - Dec 12 by DJack |
No worse than his ravings which put innocent people at risk but we dont hear a peep from you then do we. |
He is just putting up links, what you said there, it's just not right. You should never say that..
We are all living through bad times, you can go anywhere online and see similar arguments, just take a look at Wales Online, any report of Drakeford or Covid, all similar responses.
A man is entitled to his view, all this rubbish about no anti vaxxers on here, let's be serious, anyone who would take it, would have taken it by now. | |
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| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 08:42 - Dec 12 with 951 views | Whiterockin |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 00:46 - Dec 12 by Jack123 |
He is just putting up links, what you said there, it's just not right. You should never say that..
We are all living through bad times, you can go anywhere online and see similar arguments, just take a look at Wales Online, any report of Drakeford or Covid, all similar responses.
A man is entitled to his view, all this rubbish about no anti vaxxers on here, let's be serious, anyone who would take it, would have taken it by now. |
Agreed everyone is entitled to their view. IMO anti vaxers are playing Russian roulette, with all the new strains coming out. New strains will probably surface for years, sooner or later one will make life very difficult for them. There is no guarantee vaccinations will protect us in the long term, but I like to take a couple of bullets out of the loaded gun. |  | | |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 14:56 - Dec 12 with 884 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 00:23 - Dec 12 by DJack |
Listen up sunshine, FINALLY you give what I asked for . At no time did you make it obvious which report you were on about. It's late, I'm tired but nowhere do I see anything supportingyour claim that
"Within those periods they get downrated, although it is not clear whether the Second dose reverts to a single dose or unvaxxed. "
Additionally this data (even though grouped) is raw data and the report even mentions the issues with the data.
"We present data on COVID-19 cases, hospitalisations and deaths by vaccination status. This
raw data should not be used to estimate vaccine effectiveness as the data does not take into
account inherent biases present such as differences in risk, behaviour and testing in the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations. Vaccine effectiveness is measured in other ways as
detailed in the ‘Vaccine Effectiveness’ Section."
"Interpretation of data
This data should be considered in the context of the vaccination status of the population groups
shown in the rest of this report. In the context of very high vaccine coverage in the population,
even with a highly effective vaccine, it is expected that a large proportion of cases,
hospitalisations and deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, simply because a larger
proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no vaccine is 100% effective.
This is especially true because vaccination has been prioritised in individuals who are more
susceptible or more at risk of severe disease. Individuals in risk groups may also be more at risk
of hospitalisation or death due to non-COVID-19 causes, and thus may be hospitalised or die
with COVID-19 rather than from COVID-19.
The vaccination status of cases, inpatients and deaths should not be used to assess vaccine
effectiveness because of differences in risk, behaviour and testing in the vaccinated and
unvaccinated populations. The case rates in the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations are
crude rates that do not take into account underlying statistical biases in the data. There are
likely to be systematic differences between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, for
example:
- people who are fully vaccinated may be more health conscious and therefore more
likely to get tested for COVID-19 and so more likely to be identified as a case (based
on the data provided by the NHS Test and Trace)
- many of those who were at the head of the queue for vaccination are those at higher
risk from COVID-19 due to their age, their occupation, their family circumstances or
because of underlying health issues
- people who are fully vaccinated and people who are unvaccinated may behave
differently, particularly with regard to social interactions and therefore may have
differing levels of exposure to COVID-19
COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report — week 49
29
- people who have never been vaccinated are more likely to have caught COVID-19 in
the weeks or months before the period of the cases covered in the report. This gives
them some natural immunity to the virus for a few months which may have
contributed to a lower case rate in the past few weeks
These biases become more evident as more people are vaccinated and the differences
between the vaccinated and unvaccinated population become systematically different in ways
that are not accounted for without undertaken formal analysis of vaccine effectiveness. Vaccine
effectiveness has been formally estimated from a number of different sources and is described
on pages 5 to 11 in this report."
Vaccinated counts from one dose no matter what rubbish you spout. Vaccinated people are less likely to get hospitalised/die no matter what you spout. your cherry picking of out of context data changes nothing...no matter what rubbish you spout.
You are obviously more clever than I but on this subject you are an abject and craven moron desperately seeking justification as the one person seeing what the majority cant see..except you are deluded and you continue to self-delude. I feel nothing but pity for you but I also wish that karma gives you the bite on the ass that you so deserve and that's awful because that would be as life threatening as the vomit you espouse. |
Thank you for confirming the type of person you are, I have long suspected it.
"Within those periods they get downrated, although it is not clear whether the Second dose reverts to a single dose or unvaxxed. "
What part of they don't count those whose Vaccines have not created Immunity, because it takes 2 to 3 weeks do you not understand. Everybody seems to understand the concept except you. | | | |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 15:17 - Dec 12 with 868 views | onehunglow |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 00:39 - Dec 12 by DJack |
No worse than his ravings which put innocent people at risk but we dont hear a peep from you then do we. |
We ve fallen out many times but I’m with you here.
Until COVID strikes you personally yiu have no idea as to what pain it causes.
I was right to stuff Stump and DJ. AFD
This is killing people and we are allowing a warped false narrative to cause death and it will as someone reading this will not jab and possibly catch COVID and die
It is that stark | |
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| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 15:27 - Dec 12 with 859 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 15:17 - Dec 12 by onehunglow |
We ve fallen out many times but I’m with you here.
Until COVID strikes you personally yiu have no idea as to what pain it causes.
I was right to stuff Stump and DJ. AFD
This is killing people and we are allowing a warped false narrative to cause death and it will as someone reading this will not jab and possibly catch COVID and die
It is that stark |
Really?
For every one of my posts there are at least 20 promoting taking the vaccines and have been from the start. Even going as far as to browbeat people to do so.
I have never once said "don't take the vaccines".
I have always and still say be aware of the risks, which were totally ignored at the start.
I have also said that the options should not be limited to Vaccine or No Vaccine, that people should have the choice of medication.
The medication that is being supressed and witheld in the majority of countries with Vaccine contracts.
Others are free to disgree and do so with reasoned arguments, opinions, insults, threats and even lies. | | | |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 16:02 - Dec 12 with 845 views | DJack |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 14:56 - Dec 12 by A_Fans_Dad |
Thank you for confirming the type of person you are, I have long suspected it.
"Within those periods they get downrated, although it is not clear whether the Second dose reverts to a single dose or unvaxxed. "
What part of they don't count those whose Vaccines have not created Immunity, because it takes 2 to 3 weeks do you not understand. Everybody seems to understand the concept except you. |
Listen up buddy you jumped in on a point I made which was that if you have one dose you are vaccinated. Yes, this does have a period in which partial immunity takes to kick in but after that you are still classed as vaccinated after ONE DOSE no matter how much effort you put in to claim otherwise which is why I did not get your point - as it is essentially pointless in the CONTEXT of my post: IN Pennsylvania the UNVACCINATED are filling up the beds whilst the VACCINATED (INCLUDING SINGLE DOSE) aren't.
We all KNOW WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOU ARE. | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 17:32 - Dec 12 with 834 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 16:02 - Dec 12 by DJack |
Listen up buddy you jumped in on a point I made which was that if you have one dose you are vaccinated. Yes, this does have a period in which partial immunity takes to kick in but after that you are still classed as vaccinated after ONE DOSE no matter how much effort you put in to claim otherwise which is why I did not get your point - as it is essentially pointless in the CONTEXT of my post: IN Pennsylvania the UNVACCINATED are filling up the beds whilst the VACCINATED (INCLUDING SINGLE DOSE) aren't.
We all KNOW WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOU ARE. |
"Listen up buddy you jumped in on a point I made which was that if you have one dose you are vaccinated. "
I was responding to your statement ""which means people have been jabbed who get put into the unvaccinated category." arrant nonsense."
Which was not "arrant nonsense" it was the truth, but you obviously took offense at being corrected, because they are not classed as Single dose for statistical purposes until after the Immunity development period.
If you can't take it, then don't embarress youself by posting "arrant nonsense" and then claiming other people are. | | | |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 20:24 - Dec 12 with 808 views | Scotia |
Well every adult in the UK to be offered a booster by the end of the year. That's one way to pull yourself out of last years Xmas party debacle!
I think its the final throw of the dice to avoid another lockdown and that means vaccinating nearly a million people a day.
I hope it works. | | | |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 22:33 - Dec 12 with 774 views | majorraglan |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 20:24 - Dec 12 by Scotia |
Well every adult in the UK to be offered a booster by the end of the year. That's one way to pull yourself out of last years Xmas party debacle!
I think its the final throw of the dice to avoid another lockdown and that means vaccinating nearly a million people a day.
I hope it works. |
So do I. The consequences of not achieving are potentially disastrous and could be huge, hospitals overwhelmed, huge numbers ill or dying. If we see bodies in corridors as we did in Italy, he and his colleagues should be finished. | | | |
| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 12:13 - Dec 14 with 662 views | DJack |
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| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| The unvaccinated are being locked up on 07:50 - Dec 15 with 601 views | felixstowe_jack |
The USA coronavirus death total has now reached 800,000 while its fully vaccination rate remains in the low 60s.
The death total is twice the 400,000 that died in WW2. | |
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