| Covid variant B.1.1.529 11:00 - Nov 26 with 11899 views | trampie |
This latest covid variant sounds potentially serious, will there be a full lockdown by xmas ?, Blues and Scarlets trying to get back from SA, stock markets are crashing, will football be behind closed doors again ?, let's hope it's not as bad as some fear it could be. |  |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 14:42 - Nov 26 with 1130 views | Scotia |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 14:34 - Nov 26 by A_Fans_Dad |
a. March 2021
c. You seem to think Endemic is better than Pandemic, the only difference involves borders and countries, not the spread within a country.
d, e, f & g you haven't even looked at the data to know one way or the other.
The personal jibes describe you perfectly.
Prove you have seen the latest ONS data by explaining what it is and what it means |
You said.
"a. only after it became apparent people were suffering breakthrough cases."
Had they started in March 2021?
No. And booster had been mentioned at the start of the vaccine rollout.
Endemic is better than pandemic. The virus will be endemic. It is in the UK already.
I know you don't understand data, you've demonstrated that plenty of times. You believe what people tell you the data means. |  | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 14:50 - Nov 26 with 1121 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 14:42 - Nov 26 by Scotia |
You said.
"a. only after it became apparent people were suffering breakthrough cases."
Had they started in March 2021?
No. And booster had been mentioned at the start of the vaccine rollout.
Endemic is better than pandemic. The virus will be endemic. It is in the UK already.
I know you don't understand data, you've demonstrated that plenty of times. You believe what people tell you the data means. |
You don't know what the ONS data says do you?
Why not just admit you haven't seen it?
There is no difference between the Infectiousness involved in Pandemic and Endemic, it merely means it is no longer new and is here to stay and no longer spreading throughout the world, because it has already done so.
You reference a BMJ paper to demonstrate that the Government were "advertising " the need for boosters.
OK. [Post edited 26 Nov 2021 14:51]
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 15:20 - Nov 26 with 1080 views | Scotia |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 14:50 - Nov 26 by A_Fans_Dad |
You don't know what the ONS data says do you?
Why not just admit you haven't seen it?
There is no difference between the Infectiousness involved in Pandemic and Endemic, it merely means it is no longer new and is here to stay and no longer spreading throughout the world, because it has already done so.
You reference a BMJ paper to demonstrate that the Government were "advertising " the need for boosters.
OK. [Post edited 26 Nov 2021 14:51]
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I haven't seen the ONS data. I'd be amazed if you haven't misunderstood and misrepresented it. It's what you do.
Where did I say anything about infectiousness? It is here to stay the vaccines mean less people are getting it and less are dying. It is endemic and will be for the foreseeable future, probably forever. You will get covid and so will I.
You thought ending the pandemic meant eradicating the virus until you were corrected on here. I'm glad you're learning something.
I referenced a paper to demonstrate that you are wrong. It did. You always are.
Your entire reply is a clear demonstration of misunderstanding and misrepresenting. | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 15:30 - Nov 26 with 1067 views | onehunglow |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 15:20 - Nov 26 by Scotia |
I haven't seen the ONS data. I'd be amazed if you haven't misunderstood and misrepresented it. It's what you do.
Where did I say anything about infectiousness? It is here to stay the vaccines mean less people are getting it and less are dying. It is endemic and will be for the foreseeable future, probably forever. You will get covid and so will I.
You thought ending the pandemic meant eradicating the virus until you were corrected on here. I'm glad you're learning something.
I referenced a paper to demonstrate that you are wrong. It did. You always are.
Your entire reply is a clear demonstration of misunderstanding and misrepresenting. |
Scot.
We now have make vaccination as near to compulsory for all as is possible.
No more obfuscation,no more filthy lies,no more pseudo liberal warlocks.
We have to save our people
We have still to fight this virus properly and means no prisoners taken | |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 15:35 - Nov 26 with 1060 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 15:20 - Nov 26 by Scotia |
I haven't seen the ONS data. I'd be amazed if you haven't misunderstood and misrepresented it. It's what you do.
Where did I say anything about infectiousness? It is here to stay the vaccines mean less people are getting it and less are dying. It is endemic and will be for the foreseeable future, probably forever. You will get covid and so will I.
You thought ending the pandemic meant eradicating the virus until you were corrected on here. I'm glad you're learning something.
I referenced a paper to demonstrate that you are wrong. It did. You always are.
Your entire reply is a clear demonstration of misunderstanding and misrepresenting. |
So, you say the expert's take on the ONS data is wrong without even knowing what the data is.
I would say that is pretty typical of you and that you will try and put your own slant on it, saying that everybody else is totally wrong.
Well here is what their own analysis says
For All Cause Excess Mortality (ie Not just from COVID) those between 10 and 60 who are double Vaccinated are dying at twice the rate of those Unvaccinated.
Not my data, not my numbers, not my analysis, but I have dowloaded and checked the numbers.
Something else you don't know, apparently after an mRNA vaccine you are at twice the risk of heart trouble for at least two and a half months after the vaccine than your risk before the vaccine.
Again, not my analysis, not my numbers, the information according to a report in the Cardiology Advisor Forum. | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 15:51 - Nov 26 with 1051 views | hobo |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 15:30 - Nov 26 by onehunglow |
Scot.
We now have make vaccination as near to compulsory for all as is possible.
No more obfuscation,no more filthy lies,no more pseudo liberal warlocks.
We have to save our people
We have still to fight this virus properly and means no prisoners taken |
Mate, you're displaying classic crab mentality traits |  | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 16:09 - Nov 26 with 1039 views | Scotia |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 15:35 - Nov 26 by A_Fans_Dad |
So, you say the expert's take on the ONS data is wrong without even knowing what the data is.
I would say that is pretty typical of you and that you will try and put your own slant on it, saying that everybody else is totally wrong.
Well here is what their own analysis says
For All Cause Excess Mortality (ie Not just from COVID) those between 10 and 60 who are double Vaccinated are dying at twice the rate of those Unvaccinated.
Not my data, not my numbers, not my analysis, but I have dowloaded and checked the numbers.
Something else you don't know, apparently after an mRNA vaccine you are at twice the risk of heart trouble for at least two and a half months after the vaccine than your risk before the vaccine.
Again, not my analysis, not my numbers, the information according to a report in the Cardiology Advisor Forum. |
We've been here before with you trying to interpret and analyse numbers. You consistently misunderstand it. Are you honestly surprised that comparing a group of 90% of the population with a group of 10% of the population doesn't give you higher numbers?
That's before you consider the multitude of additional factors.
The cardiology advisor forum hey? That sounds like a cast iron source straight from the right wing US of A.
I'd prefer to believe my Romanian cardiologist neighbour, he works in Morriston. He isn't seeing any increase in emergency admissions from across SW Wales despite the roll out of MRNA booster jabs.
More hokum | | | |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 16:31 - Nov 26 with 1023 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 16:09 - Nov 26 by Scotia |
We've been here before with you trying to interpret and analyse numbers. You consistently misunderstand it. Are you honestly surprised that comparing a group of 90% of the population with a group of 10% of the population doesn't give you higher numbers?
That's before you consider the multitude of additional factors.
The cardiology advisor forum hey? That sounds like a cast iron source straight from the right wing US of A.
I'd prefer to believe my Romanian cardiologist neighbour, he works in Morriston. He isn't seeing any increase in emergency admissions from across SW Wales despite the roll out of MRNA booster jabs.
More hokum |
So, there are only 10% between 10 and 50 who haven't been vaxxed?
OK.
I also get that you don't understand "rates" ie per 100,000 population and how it caters for disparities in total population sizes.
But because you haven't even seen the data you don't realise that this outcome goes all the way back to April 2021 up till now.
You know nothing about the Cardiology Advisor forum do you?
More denial.
Another little something you don't know, this is from the Pfizer 2 month Post-Authorisation report that has finally been released on FOI.
In 2 months they had 1108 different Adverse Events.
Not people, not reports different named Adverse Events, 9 pages of them.
As well as that they had 1223 deaths, but that is not a surprise with what we know from VAERs, no the surprise was their comments on the majority of the Adverse Events, including deaths.
Quote "Conclusion: This cumulative case review does not raise new safety
issues. Surveillance will continue"
In other words they already knew.
You really and truly do not know or want to accept what is going on. | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 16:33 - Nov 26 with 1022 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 15:51 - Nov 26 by hobo |
Mate, you're displaying classic crab mentality traits |
More like classic "brainwashed to hate his fellow man" traits. | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 16:53 - Nov 26 with 1016 views | Boundy |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 16:31 - Nov 26 by A_Fans_Dad |
So, there are only 10% between 10 and 50 who haven't been vaxxed?
OK.
I also get that you don't understand "rates" ie per 100,000 population and how it caters for disparities in total population sizes.
But because you haven't even seen the data you don't realise that this outcome goes all the way back to April 2021 up till now.
You know nothing about the Cardiology Advisor forum do you?
More denial.
Another little something you don't know, this is from the Pfizer 2 month Post-Authorisation report that has finally been released on FOI.
In 2 months they had 1108 different Adverse Events.
Not people, not reports different named Adverse Events, 9 pages of them.
As well as that they had 1223 deaths, but that is not a surprise with what we know from VAERs, no the surprise was their comments on the majority of the Adverse Events, including deaths.
Quote "Conclusion: This cumulative case review does not raise new safety
issues. Surveillance will continue"
In other words they already knew.
You really and truly do not know or want to accept what is going on. |
A question if you wouldn't mind , prior to the vaccinations ( any make ) being produced how many people died ? , pick any country if you want | |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 16:55 - Nov 26 with 1013 views | onehunglow |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 15:51 - Nov 26 by hobo |
Mate, you're displaying classic crab mentality traits |
You are displaying all the signs of one who might die of ignorance.
Hope it doesn’t happen.
This is real | |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 17:10 - Nov 26 with 1004 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 13:24 - Nov 26 by A_Fans_Dad |
Perhaps you would be kind enough to show me where the Vaccine Manufacturers or the Government pointed out last year that
a. Everybody would need a booster after 6 months.
b. That if they were vaccinated they would still need to wear masks.
c. That not only wouldn't it stop the Pandemic, but couldn't stop the Pandemic
d. That after 6 months they would become more susceptible to being infected if they didn't have the booster
e. That all the time the Virus is around they will need boosters
f. That they would have loads of side effects, including death
g. That the Vaccines probably make you more likely to die if you are under 50 |
They were advertised to significantly lower your chances of serious illness or death from COVID. And in the majority of the time they do.
They have always said we may need annual jabs like we do with the flu.
The masks are a political decision by useless politicians.
They never said they would stop the pandemic.
They list the side effects and potential complications on the information leaflet.
I bet you think the Earth is flat too? | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 17:12 - Nov 26 with 1003 views | hobo |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 16:55 - Nov 26 by onehunglow |
You are displaying all the signs of one who might die of ignorance.
Hope it doesn’t happen.
This is real |
I've been on your side.
In the early days of this I was one of those wearing a face mask where ever I went. Then I decided to look at all angles, not just what we're told on a daily basis, and found that so much of it just doesn't add up. As the months have gone on, the lies of those in charge have become more and more predictable. They seem hellbent on creating a division in society, not just with covid but in so many aspects of life. They are terrified of the people becoming unified! | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 17:33 - Nov 26 with 986 views | Catullus |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 12:32 - Nov 26 by raynor94 |
Got my booster Monday, 6 months and 1 week after my 2nd jab. Impressed. |
had mine on Wednesday.
In SA the new cases found had more than tripled in the space of a week from less than 800 a day to 2,495 a day and we don't know how many there actually are in the townships out there, it's a lot different to over here.
I see some people are still spreading lies and misinformation, sad. | |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 17:41 - Nov 26 with 983 views | Scotia |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 16:31 - Nov 26 by A_Fans_Dad |
So, there are only 10% between 10 and 50 who haven't been vaxxed?
OK.
I also get that you don't understand "rates" ie per 100,000 population and how it caters for disparities in total population sizes.
But because you haven't even seen the data you don't realise that this outcome goes all the way back to April 2021 up till now.
You know nothing about the Cardiology Advisor forum do you?
More denial.
Another little something you don't know, this is from the Pfizer 2 month Post-Authorisation report that has finally been released on FOI.
In 2 months they had 1108 different Adverse Events.
Not people, not reports different named Adverse Events, 9 pages of them.
As well as that they had 1223 deaths, but that is not a surprise with what we know from VAERs, no the surprise was their comments on the majority of the Adverse Events, including deaths.
Quote "Conclusion: This cumulative case review does not raise new safety
issues. Surveillance will continue"
In other words they already knew.
You really and truly do not know or want to accept what is going on. |
You cannot compare two groups of such vastly different sizes. Whether that is 90% v 10% or 70% v 30%. Even if it is per 100,000 of the population.
The data in such a vastly smaller group will be skewed.
I honestly can't understand why you think you can. Perhaps you just aren't as bright as I thought you were, and that wasn't a high bar.
No. I know nothing about that forum. I know I wouldn't trust a cardiologist who acted on advice he received on a forum.
To me it sounds like they realise those deaths are nothing to do with the vaccine, but coincidence.
Guess who has just brought their daughters over for a play date? What a coincidence. An actual cardiologist and his wife, guess where she works too?
That's an early finish for someone dealing with all these vaccine related heart issues across SW Wales isn't it? | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 17:46 - Nov 26 with 980 views | max936 |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 12:30 - Nov 26 by angryjack |
It's a load of b@llox have you noticed every time things are returning to normal a new variant somehow appears,,it's all about control I have known loads who have supposedly had it so they telling them could be just flu as far as we know,but them loads felt better after few days,,scaremongering at its finest,whatever it is just get on with it,live with it as we have with other viruses.. |
My brother had it and was ill for virtually 10 days, he still hasn't got any taste or smell and he's had two jabs, without those jabs, the outcome might have been much different. |  | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 17:52 - Nov 26 with 972 views | onehunglow |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 17:46 - Nov 26 by max936 |
My brother had it and was ill for virtually 10 days, he still hasn't got any taste or smell and he's had two jabs, without those jabs, the outcome might have been much different. |
Clearly ,it is a killer. Those who deny that are beyond contempt.
I’ve know several to have it and recover and also those who did not.
Trust me,their families would have loved to have seen them vaccinated
The world is waiting to see how we react to this. Some believe clearly to do nothing at all and let nature take its course
Problem is the morgues will be choked, and crematoria booked up for ever.
As for hospitals and their staff and those awaiting surgery | |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 18:48 - Nov 26 with 930 views | GoldenBear |
Seem like we are knackered then.
Vaccinate, new variant, vaccinate, new variant, rinse and repeat.
May as well raise the green flag and crack on with life.
This is with us forever. |  | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 19:15 - Nov 26 with 896 views | Catullus |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 18:48 - Nov 26 by GoldenBear |
Seem like we are knackered then.
Vaccinate, new variant, vaccinate, new variant, rinse and repeat.
May as well raise the green flag and crack on with life.
This is with us forever. |
Not knackered, it's just like you say. Accept that this is here for the long term and get on with our lives vaccinations, boosters and all. | |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 19:26 - Nov 26 with 883 views | GoldenBear |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 17:12 - Nov 26 by hobo |
I've been on your side.
In the early days of this I was one of those wearing a face mask where ever I went. Then I decided to look at all angles, not just what we're told on a daily basis, and found that so much of it just doesn't add up. As the months have gone on, the lies of those in charge have become more and more predictable. They seem hellbent on creating a division in society, not just with covid but in so many aspects of life. They are terrified of the people becoming unified! |
I'm with you on this mate. There is one certain thing in life, is that Governments lie all the time, barely without exception.
An open mind is nearly always the best policy. | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 19:28 - Nov 26 with 880 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 17:10 - Nov 26 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
They were advertised to significantly lower your chances of serious illness or death from COVID. And in the majority of the time they do.
They have always said we may need annual jabs like we do with the flu.
The masks are a political decision by useless politicians.
They never said they would stop the pandemic.
They list the side effects and potential complications on the information leaflet.
I bet you think the Earth is flat too? |
There isn't enough room on the leaflet to list all the Pfizer side affects.
Didn't you read what they said 1108 seperate Adverse Events.
Here is the first page.
1p36 deletion syndrome;2-Hydroxyglutaric aciduria;5'nucleotidase increased;Acoustic
neuritis;Acquired C1 inhibitor deficiency;Acquired epidermolysis bullosa;Acquired epileptic
aphasia;Acute cutaneous lupus erythematosus;Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis;Acute
encephalitis with refractory, repetitive partial seizures;Acute febrile neutrophilic
dermatosis;Acute flaccid myelitis;Acute haemorrhagic leukoencephalitis;Acute
haemorrhagic oedema of infancy;Acute kidney injury;Acute macular outer retinopathy;Acute
motor axonal neuropathy;Acute motor-sensory axonal neuropathy;Acute myocardial
infarction;Acute respiratory distress syndrome;Acute respiratory failure;Addison's
disease;Administration site thrombosis;Administration site vasculitis;Adrenal
thrombosis;Adverse event following immunisation;Ageusia;Agranulocytosis;Air
embolism;Alanine aminotransferase abnormal;Alanine aminotransferase increased;Alcoholic
seizure;Allergic bronchopulmonary mycosis;Allergic oedema;Alloimmune
hepatitis;Alopecia areata;Alpers disease;Alveolar proteinosis;Ammonia abnormal;Ammonia
increased;Amniotic cavity infection;Amygdalohippocampectomy;Amyloid
arthropathy;Amyloidosis;Amyloidosis senile;Anaphylactic reaction;Anaphylactic
shock;Anaphylactic transfusion reaction;Anaphylactoid reaction;Anaphylactoid
shock;Anaphylactoid syndrome of pregnancy;Angioedema;Angiopathic
neuropathy;Ankylosing spondylitis;Anosmia;Antiacetylcholine receptor antibody
positive;Anti-actin antibody positive;Anti-aquaporin-4 antibody positive;Anti-basal ganglia
antibody positive;Anti-cyclic citrullinated peptide antibody positive;Anti-epithelial antibody
positive;Anti-erythrocyte antibody positive;Anti-exosome complex antibody positive;Anti-
GAD antibody negative;Anti-GAD antibody positive;Anti-ganglioside antibody
positive;Antigliadin antibody positive;Anti-glomerular basement membrane antibody
positive;Anti-glomerular basement membrane disease;Anti-glycyl-tRNA synthetase antibody
positive;Anti-HLA antibody test positive;Anti-IA2 antibody positive;Anti-insulin antibody
increased;Anti-insulin antibody positive;Anti-insulin receptor antibody increased;Anti-
insulin receptor antibody positive;Anti-interferon antibody negative;Anti-interferon antibody
positive;Anti-islet cell antibody positive;Antimitochondrial antibody positive;Anti-muscle
specific kinase antibody positive;Anti-myelin-associated glycoprotein antibodies
positive;Anti-myelin-associated glycoprotein associated polyneuropathy;Antimyocardial
antibody positive;Anti-neuronal antibody positive;Antineutrophil cytoplasmic antibody
increased;Antineutrophil cytoplasmic antibody positive;Anti-neutrophil cytoplasmic
antibody positive vasculitis;Anti-NMDA antibody positive;Antinuclear antibody
increased;Antinuclear antibody positive;Antiphospholipid antibodies
positive;Antiphospholipid syndrome;Anti-platelet antibody positive;Anti-prothrombin
antibody positive;Antiribosomal P antibody positive;Anti-RNA polymerase III antibody
positive;Anti-saccharomyces cerevisiae antibody test positive;Anti-sperm antibody
positive;Anti-SRP antibody positive;Antisynthetase syndrome;Anti-thyroid antibody
positive;Anti-transglutaminase antibody increased;Anti-VGCC antibody positive;Anti-
VGKC antibody positive;Anti-vimentin antibody positive;Antiviral prophylaxis;Antiviral
treatment;Anti-zinc transporter 8 antibody positive;Aortic embolus;Aortic
thrombosis;Aortitis;Aplasia pure red cell;Aplastic anaemia;Application site
thrombosis;Application site vasculitis;Arrhythmia;Arterial bypass occlusion;Arterial bypass
thrombosis;Arterial thrombosis;Arteriovenous fistula thrombosis;Arteriovenous graft site
stenosis;Arteriovenous graft thrombosis;Arteritis;Arteritis | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 19:31 - Nov 26 with 881 views | GoldenBear |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 19:15 - Nov 26 by Catullus |
Not knackered, it's just like you say. Accept that this is here for the long term and get on with our lives vaccinations, boosters and all. |
Absolutely mate, if you feel the need to get vaccinated crack on. For those who dont feel the need for whatever reason also fine. No argument from me. | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 19:35 - Nov 26 with 875 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 16:53 - Nov 26 by Boundy |
A question if you wouldn't mind , prior to the vaccinations ( any make ) being produced how many people died ? , pick any country if you want |
It is a good question, although it has nothing to do with this data.
I have stated many times that the Vaccines save lives from COVID, in fact I showed the Mortality "Rates" before the ONS did. on other posts.
But seeing as you asked so nicely.
UK 74,235 up till January 2021. Since then it has increased up to 144,433.
But that isn't what you meant is it? | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 19:40 - Nov 26 with 870 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 17:41 - Nov 26 by Scotia |
You cannot compare two groups of such vastly different sizes. Whether that is 90% v 10% or 70% v 30%. Even if it is per 100,000 of the population.
The data in such a vastly smaller group will be skewed.
I honestly can't understand why you think you can. Perhaps you just aren't as bright as I thought you were, and that wasn't a high bar.
No. I know nothing about that forum. I know I wouldn't trust a cardiologist who acted on advice he received on a forum.
To me it sounds like they realise those deaths are nothing to do with the vaccine, but coincidence.
Guess who has just brought their daughters over for a play date? What a coincidence. An actual cardiologist and his wife, guess where she works too?
That's an early finish for someone dealing with all these vaccine related heart issues across SW Wales isn't it? |
You didn't really bother reading what I wrote did you?
The difference started back in April 2021, just how many people do you thimk had been vaccinated by then?
I also pointed out that it hasn't changes all year, so the numbers vaxxed did not change the level of the difference.
You also seem to be forgetting that this is the under 60s group. [Post edited 26 Nov 2021 19:42]
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