| Covid variant B.1.1.529 11:00 - Nov 26 with 11898 views | trampie |
This latest covid variant sounds potentially serious, will there be a full lockdown by xmas ?, Blues and Scarlets trying to get back from SA, stock markets are crashing, will football be behind closed doors again ?, let's hope it's not as bad as some fear it could be. |  |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 14:06 - Nov 28 with 1269 views | Catullus |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 13:45 - Nov 28 by howenjack |
I was talking to someone in the pub who said his mate had been double jabbed and was on a ventilator in hospital . How do you explain that ? |
Who was this someone? A stranger? Regardless, of course there will always be some people who are vaccinated and get seriously ill. My neighbour 2 doors down is vaccinated and boosted but he has COPD, Diabetes, a dodgy heart and he's 62. If he catches covid he has a higher chance of being seriously ill.
This mans mate, what are his circumstances, what is his age, his health status? |  |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 14:34 - Nov 28 with 1243 views | howenjack |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 14:06 - Nov 28 by Catullus |
Who was this someone? A stranger? Regardless, of course there will always be some people who are vaccinated and get seriously ill. My neighbour 2 doors down is vaccinated and boosted but he has COPD, Diabetes, a dodgy heart and he's 62. If he catches covid he has a higher chance of being seriously ill.
This mans mate, what are his circumstances, what is his age, his health status? |
The someone was a friend of mine who I have a drink with I didn't push him any further for info so I don't know , next time I see him I will ask him . | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 15:49 - Nov 28 with 1214 views | GoldenBear |
Am I right in saying a B variant is less dangerous in the main, than an A variant. Short answers on a postcard, please. |  | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 17:34 - Nov 28 with 1181 views | Catullus |
Omicron already here, 3 infected people one of whom has already left the UK. The person (unnamed) had been vising the Westminster area. What's the odds it was a politician?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news | |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 18:06 - Nov 28 with 1164 views | Jack123 |
I do wonder why the media are acting the way they are over this, I have just looked at the worldometer site, for cases in South Africa where they say this variant originated, what I note is, daily new cases in July were were high around 20,000, fast forward to end of September and cases are virtually non existent , under a 1,000.. So why the scaremongering about transmissibility , when a quick look at South Africa data, shows it's not as bad as they are making out. |  |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 18:08 - Nov 28 with 1159 views | Catullus |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 18:06 - Nov 28 by Jack123 |
I do wonder why the media are acting the way they are over this, I have just looked at the worldometer site, for cases in South Africa where they say this variant originated, what I note is, daily new cases in July were were high around 20,000, fast forward to end of September and cases are virtually non existent , under a 1,000.. So why the scaremongering about transmissibility , when a quick look at South Africa data, shows it's not as bad as they are making out. |
Because the new variant we are talking about was only discovered in the last week and new cases have more than trebled in that week since. | |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 18:19 - Nov 28 with 1152 views | Jack123 |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 18:08 - Nov 28 by Catullus |
Because the new variant we are talking about was only discovered in the last week and new cases have more than trebled in that week since. |
Still relatively low though. This is an interesting read. https://www.cityam.com/coronav | |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 18:30 - Nov 28 with 1138 views | GoldenBear |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 18:08 - Nov 28 by Catullus |
Because the new variant we are talking about was only discovered in the last week and new cases have more than trebled in that week since. |
Because they have to fill the news channels 24/7 365 with news. People must be punch drunk with all this depressing news. No wonder there are spiralling amont of mental health issues. | | | |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 18:48 - Nov 28 with 1122 views | Jack123 |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 18:30 - Nov 28 by GoldenBear |
Because they have to fill the news channels 24/7 365 with news. People must be punch drunk with all this depressing news. No wonder there are spiralling amont of mental health issues. |
That is true, very hard to find any positivity coming , from the media, I'm quite surprised really the way they are acting, I was sure they were pulled up on this, regarding the doom, doom and more doom reporting throughout this pandemic, yet a quick look at the bbc news website, tells me nothing has changed.
I personally try to avoid the news, if i get my way it gets turned over, or turned off! | |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 19:42 - Nov 28 with 1101 views | Jack123 |
Wow, 200 quid fine for not wearing a mask.
Seems a bit high. | |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 20:02 - Nov 28 with 1077 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 07:50 - Nov 28 by bennytheblue |
Where did you see this? Like you say pretty great news if correct and the media frenzy can do one |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/
Here's one, there are more reports similar to this if you Google. |  |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 22:07 - Nov 28 with 1033 views | GoldenBear |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 15:49 - Nov 28 by GoldenBear |
Am I right in saying a B variant is less dangerous in the main, than an A variant. Short answers on a postcard, please. |
Anyone! | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 22:15 - Nov 28 with 1018 views | Scotia |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 22:07 - Nov 28 by GoldenBear |
Anyone! |
Don't necessarily think so, it's just a variant of the same virus. | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 22:23 - Nov 28 with 1006 views | GoldenBear |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 22:15 - Nov 28 by Scotia |
Don't necessarily think so, it's just a variant of the same virus. |
Thought one was more severe than the other! | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 23:23 - Nov 28 with 965 views | RonaldStump |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 19:42 - Nov 28 by Jack123 |
Wow, 200 quid fine for not wearing a mask.
Seems a bit high. |
Take it to court and it'll be thrown out
scaremongering again | |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 10:50 - Nov 29 with 911 views | whiterock |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 12:48 - Nov 26 by RonaldStump |
And that is because too many people are bending over and taking it up the arris no questions asked. If the majority applied the above it disappears. I'd bet my house on it [Post edited 26 Nov 2021 12:49]
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Not true, inconvenience is not oppression BTW
In hospital, Covid-19 has largely become a disease of the unvaccinated. The man in his 20s who had always watched what he ate, worked out in the gym, was too healthy to ever catch Covid badly. The 48-year-old who never got round to making the appointment.
The person in their 50s whose friend had side-effects. The woman who wanted to wait for more evidence. The young pregnant lady worried about the effect on her baby.
The 60-year-old, brought to hospital with oxygen saturations of 70% by the ambulance that he initially called for his partner, who had died by the time it arrived; both believed that the drug companies bribed the government to get the vaccine approved.
All severely ill with Covid. All unvaccinated and previously healthy. All completely avoidable.
Of course, there are people who have their vaccinations but still get sick. These people may be elderly or frail, or have underlying health problems. Those with illnesses affecting the immune system, particularly patients who have had chemotherapy for blood cancers, are especially vulnerable. Some unlucky healthy people will also end up on our general wards with Covid after being vaccinated, usually needing a modest amount of oxygen for a few days.
But the story is different on our intensive care unit. Here, the patient population consists of a few vulnerable people with severe underlying health problems and a majority of fit, healthy, younger people unvaccinated by choice. Watching the mix of patients coming in with Covid, it feels to me like hardly anybody has been vaccinated nowadays; of course, this is because the people that have been vaccinated are getting on with their lives at home. If everyone got vaccinated, hospitals would be under much less pressure; this is beyond debate. Your wait for your clinic appointment/operation/diagnostic test/A&E department would be shorter. Your ambulance would arrive sooner. Reports of the pressure on the NHS are not exaggerated, I promise you.
Furthermore, we have recently rolled out a new medication for patients without antibodies against Covid. It costs about £2,000 a treatment and is subject to a rigorous and time-consuming approval process for every case we treat. Guess which patients don’t have these antibodies (spoiler: it’s not the ones who have been vaccinated).
Most of the resources that we are devoting to Covid in hospital are now being spent on the unvaccinated.
Yes, vaccinations are unpleasant. They cause side-effects. They hurt. You may even still catch Covid afterwards. I have many colleagues who have felt awful after vaccination and a few who had to take a day or two off work. However, I have not heard of any who have been hospitalised with Covid afterwards or who have had severe side-effects. The approvals process was incredibly stringent and we now have an unbelievable amount of real-world data that these vaccines work. The science that has been applied here is nothing short of awe-inspiring to me. However, I realise that none of these rational arguments would change the mind of someone who is resolved against having it, although I suppose it may push someone who remains undecided.
As a respiratory doctor, I have spent my whole career treating people whose lung diseases have been caused by smoking, including long after they knew the risks. I have spent countless hours with people who blame themselves for ruining their health; I have thought a lot about our personal responsibility for our health and to what degree we should be held accountable for our choices. I personally — unlike some of my colleagues — have never felt any ambivalence about treating smokers without judgment in exactly the same way as people with diseases that are not seen as self-inflicted.
Enshrined in the way we protect patients’ autonomy is the recognition that others may reasonably make decisions we may see as irrational or wrong. We are all products of our upbringing, education and opportunities, and I have been hugely fortunate that in my case these have led me to make decisions I value. Who is to say I wouldn’t have made different choices in someone else’s shoes.
Translating this to the choice not to take the vaccine, however, I find my patience wearing thin. I think this is for a number of reasons. Even if you are not worried about your own risk from Covid, you cannot know the risk of the people into whose faces you may cough; there is a dangerous and selfish element to this that I find hard to stomach.
Some of my frustration is directed upwards, at the flagrant misinformation flourishing in certain places and the utterly woeful example that our leaders continue to set. I have never heard a reason not to take the vaccine that I have agreed with. Most of all, however, I am now beaten back, exhausted, worn down by the continuous stream of people that we battle to treat when they have consciously passed up the opportunity to save themselves. It does make me angry.
Despite this, I find the idea of NHS and care staff being forced to be vaccinated very difficult. I know that it is the right outcome, but I dislike the means of bringing it about. It is incredible to me that there is so much anxiety and falsehood around that this could possibly be necessary after the year we have all witnessed. How strong is the hold that this information has on people that it outweighs rational thought?
Maybe it’s just that others have not seen what I have recently, or do not believe it, but even now we have nurses on our Covid ward who have not been vaccinated. I just hope that we don’t end up losing yet more staff.
Fundamentally though, for me, it comes down to this. I can’t think of a single case offhand of a person who was previously fit and healthy who has ended up needing intensive care after being fully vaccinated. It may not stop you from catching Covid. But it can save your life when you do.
The writer is an NHS respiratory consultant who works across a number of hospitals | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 12:34 - Nov 29 with 884 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 10:50 - Nov 29 by whiterock |
Not true, inconvenience is not oppression BTW
In hospital, Covid-19 has largely become a disease of the unvaccinated. The man in his 20s who had always watched what he ate, worked out in the gym, was too healthy to ever catch Covid badly. The 48-year-old who never got round to making the appointment.
The person in their 50s whose friend had side-effects. The woman who wanted to wait for more evidence. The young pregnant lady worried about the effect on her baby.
The 60-year-old, brought to hospital with oxygen saturations of 70% by the ambulance that he initially called for his partner, who had died by the time it arrived; both believed that the drug companies bribed the government to get the vaccine approved.
All severely ill with Covid. All unvaccinated and previously healthy. All completely avoidable.
Of course, there are people who have their vaccinations but still get sick. These people may be elderly or frail, or have underlying health problems. Those with illnesses affecting the immune system, particularly patients who have had chemotherapy for blood cancers, are especially vulnerable. Some unlucky healthy people will also end up on our general wards with Covid after being vaccinated, usually needing a modest amount of oxygen for a few days.
But the story is different on our intensive care unit. Here, the patient population consists of a few vulnerable people with severe underlying health problems and a majority of fit, healthy, younger people unvaccinated by choice. Watching the mix of patients coming in with Covid, it feels to me like hardly anybody has been vaccinated nowadays; of course, this is because the people that have been vaccinated are getting on with their lives at home. If everyone got vaccinated, hospitals would be under much less pressure; this is beyond debate. Your wait for your clinic appointment/operation/diagnostic test/A&E department would be shorter. Your ambulance would arrive sooner. Reports of the pressure on the NHS are not exaggerated, I promise you.
Furthermore, we have recently rolled out a new medication for patients without antibodies against Covid. It costs about £2,000 a treatment and is subject to a rigorous and time-consuming approval process for every case we treat. Guess which patients don’t have these antibodies (spoiler: it’s not the ones who have been vaccinated).
Most of the resources that we are devoting to Covid in hospital are now being spent on the unvaccinated.
Yes, vaccinations are unpleasant. They cause side-effects. They hurt. You may even still catch Covid afterwards. I have many colleagues who have felt awful after vaccination and a few who had to take a day or two off work. However, I have not heard of any who have been hospitalised with Covid afterwards or who have had severe side-effects. The approvals process was incredibly stringent and we now have an unbelievable amount of real-world data that these vaccines work. The science that has been applied here is nothing short of awe-inspiring to me. However, I realise that none of these rational arguments would change the mind of someone who is resolved against having it, although I suppose it may push someone who remains undecided.
As a respiratory doctor, I have spent my whole career treating people whose lung diseases have been caused by smoking, including long after they knew the risks. I have spent countless hours with people who blame themselves for ruining their health; I have thought a lot about our personal responsibility for our health and to what degree we should be held accountable for our choices. I personally — unlike some of my colleagues — have never felt any ambivalence about treating smokers without judgment in exactly the same way as people with diseases that are not seen as self-inflicted.
Enshrined in the way we protect patients’ autonomy is the recognition that others may reasonably make decisions we may see as irrational or wrong. We are all products of our upbringing, education and opportunities, and I have been hugely fortunate that in my case these have led me to make decisions I value. Who is to say I wouldn’t have made different choices in someone else’s shoes.
Translating this to the choice not to take the vaccine, however, I find my patience wearing thin. I think this is for a number of reasons. Even if you are not worried about your own risk from Covid, you cannot know the risk of the people into whose faces you may cough; there is a dangerous and selfish element to this that I find hard to stomach.
Some of my frustration is directed upwards, at the flagrant misinformation flourishing in certain places and the utterly woeful example that our leaders continue to set. I have never heard a reason not to take the vaccine that I have agreed with. Most of all, however, I am now beaten back, exhausted, worn down by the continuous stream of people that we battle to treat when they have consciously passed up the opportunity to save themselves. It does make me angry.
Despite this, I find the idea of NHS and care staff being forced to be vaccinated very difficult. I know that it is the right outcome, but I dislike the means of bringing it about. It is incredible to me that there is so much anxiety and falsehood around that this could possibly be necessary after the year we have all witnessed. How strong is the hold that this information has on people that it outweighs rational thought?
Maybe it’s just that others have not seen what I have recently, or do not believe it, but even now we have nurses on our Covid ward who have not been vaccinated. I just hope that we don’t end up losing yet more staff.
Fundamentally though, for me, it comes down to this. I can’t think of a single case offhand of a person who was previously fit and healthy who has ended up needing intensive care after being fully vaccinated. It may not stop you from catching Covid. But it can save your life when you do.
The writer is an NHS respiratory consultant who works across a number of hospitals |
It is patent propaganda, the numbers do not lie.
Latest COVID vaccination status data from the NHS.
In the last 12 weeks the total deaths for the Unvaccinated was 2290 and the total deaths for the Vaccinated was 10022.
They are the sort of numbers seen by the hospitals.
Here are the same numbers by age groups
Under 18 21 2
18-29 35 15
30-39 85 35
40-49 156 144
50-59 364 412
60-69 486 1226
70-79 495 2789
80 + 648 5399
As you can see only below 40 is there a major switch to vaccinated numbers being lower than unvaccinated and that is because they have not been vaccinated as long as the older age groups.
What is seen in hospitals has nothing to do with "Mortality Rates" ie by population size they are just the raw numbers. [Post edited 29 Nov 2021 16:17]
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 12:39 - Nov 29 with 884 views | Professor |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 12:34 - Nov 29 by A_Fans_Dad |
It is patent propaganda, the numbers do not lie.
Latest COVID vaccination status data from the NHS.
In the last 12 weeks the total deaths for the Unvaccinated was 2290 and the total deaths for the Vaccinated was 10022.
They are the sort of numbers seen by the hospitals.
Here are the same numbers by age groups
Under 18 21 2
18-29 35 15
30-39 85 35
40-49 156 144
50-59 364 412
60-69 486 1226
70-79 495 2789
80 + 648 5399
As you can see only below 40 is there a major switch to vaccinated numbers being lower than unvaccinated and that is because they have not been vaccinated as long as the older age groups.
What is seen in hospitals has nothing to do with "Mortality Rates" ie by population size they are just the raw numbers. [Post edited 29 Nov 2021 16:17]
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You really are sick and obnoxious person. Revelling in death and data. | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 12:43 - Nov 29 with 879 views | Professor |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 12:34 - Nov 29 by A_Fans_Dad |
It is patent propaganda, the numbers do not lie.
Latest COVID vaccination status data from the NHS.
In the last 12 weeks the total deaths for the Unvaccinated was 2290 and the total deaths for the Vaccinated was 10022.
They are the sort of numbers seen by the hospitals.
Here are the same numbers by age groups
Under 18 21 2
18-29 35 15
30-39 85 35
40-49 156 144
50-59 364 412
60-69 486 1226
70-79 495 2789
80 + 648 5399
As you can see only below 40 is there a major switch to vaccinated numbers being lower than unvaccinated and that is because they have not been vaccinated as long as the older age groups.
What is seen in hospitals has nothing to do with "Mortality Rates" ie by population size they are just the raw numbers. [Post edited 29 Nov 2021 16:17]
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And if you adjust the population size, the protection from vaccination is between 4 to 30 fold dependent on the age group,
That's pretty effective. | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 13:10 - Nov 29 with 858 views | KeithHaynes |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 12:34 - Nov 29 by A_Fans_Dad |
It is patent propaganda, the numbers do not lie.
Latest COVID vaccination status data from the NHS.
In the last 12 weeks the total deaths for the Unvaccinated was 2290 and the total deaths for the Vaccinated was 10022.
They are the sort of numbers seen by the hospitals.
Here are the same numbers by age groups
Under 18 21 2
18-29 35 15
30-39 85 35
40-49 156 144
50-59 364 412
60-69 486 1226
70-79 495 2789
80 + 648 5399
As you can see only below 40 is there a major switch to vaccinated numbers being lower than unvaccinated and that is because they have not been vaccinated as long as the older age groups.
What is seen in hospitals has nothing to do with "Mortality Rates" ie by population size they are just the raw numbers. [Post edited 29 Nov 2021 16:17]
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So if you get vaccinated you have more chance of dying from Covid ? |  |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 13:37 - Nov 29 with 832 views | Professor |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 13:10 - Nov 29 by KeithHaynes |
So if you get vaccinated you have more chance of dying from Covid ? |
Between four to thirty times less likely dependent on age and other risk factors.
It's a very disingenuous post. | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 13:41 - Nov 29 with 830 views | Professor |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 13:37 - Nov 29 by Professor |
Between four to thirty times less likely dependent on age and other risk factors.
It's a very disingenuous post. |
We wait to see what the score is with Omicron. If it's very transmissible but less virulent, as Dr W suggested, that would not be the worst news, especially if vaccines continue to reduce disease impact. If (and a big if) it out competes Delta with say a third of the level of hospitalisation, we get to an endemic disease not unlike flu in impact. | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 15:22 - Nov 29 with 792 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 13:10 - Nov 29 by KeithHaynes |
So if you get vaccinated you have more chance of dying from Covid ? |
No, that is not what the the data says and it is not the point of the post, it is in response to the
"In hospital, Covid-19 has largely become a disease of the unvaccinated. "
and the following harrowing information on only the unvaccinated cases.
The number of people in hospital represent their populations and therefore there should be more vaccinated than unvaccinated, the data shows this to be the case and there are more vaccinated dying.
It is not my post that is disengenious, it is the Doctor's post.
I do not curerently have the same data for hospitalisations, but I will post that when I have downloaded it.
It shows that there has been an increase in the under 40s. | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 16:16 - Nov 29 with 762 views | A_Fans_Dad |
These are the hospitalisations for the last 10 weeks.
Under 18 1441 65
18-29 810 307
30-39 1502 704
40-49 1831 1364
50-59 2183 2050
60-69 2042 2655
70-79 2121 3919
80 + 1892 4048
Total 13822 15112 | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 16:48 - Nov 29 with 742 views | Catullus |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 12:34 - Nov 29 by A_Fans_Dad |
It is patent propaganda, the numbers do not lie.
Latest COVID vaccination status data from the NHS.
In the last 12 weeks the total deaths for the Unvaccinated was 2290 and the total deaths for the Vaccinated was 10022.
They are the sort of numbers seen by the hospitals.
Here are the same numbers by age groups
Under 18 21 2
18-29 35 15
30-39 85 35
40-49 156 144
50-59 364 412
60-69 486 1226
70-79 495 2789
80 + 648 5399
As you can see only below 40 is there a major switch to vaccinated numbers being lower than unvaccinated and that is because they have not been vaccinated as long as the older age groups.
What is seen in hospitals has nothing to do with "Mortality Rates" ie by population size they are just the raw numbers. [Post edited 29 Nov 2021 16:17]
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Where are those figures from please? | |
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