| Covid variant B.1.1.529 11:00 - Nov 26 with 11901 views | trampie |
This latest covid variant sounds potentially serious, will there be a full lockdown by xmas ?, Blues and Scarlets trying to get back from SA, stock markets are crashing, will football be behind closed doors again ?, let's hope it's not as bad as some fear it could be. |  |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 16:00 - Dec 1 with 1351 views | Scotia |
"The Therapeutic Goods Administration recorded 78,880 adverse events linked to COVID-19 vaccination, representing a small minority (0.21 per cent) of the 37.8 million doses administered to 18.4 million people, by November 7. The vast majority of those 78,000 adverse events were mild side effects, including headache, nausea and sore arms."
So no more than 0.1% of those reported side effects are worse than feeling a little bit unwell. Probably considerably less depending on what a vast majority is?
Compared to a 1% chance of dying from Covid and a far higher chance of getting severely ill from it.
You will catch Covid. Surely that article shows that getting vaccinated is by far the best option. |  | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 16:49 - Dec 1 with 1330 views | felixstowe_jack |
I see the President of the European commission Ursula has said all countries in the EU should consider making the vaccine mandatory. | |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 16:57 - Dec 1 with 1321 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 16:49 - Dec 1 by felixstowe_jack |
I see the President of the European commission Ursula has said all countries in the EU should consider making the vaccine mandatory. |
How do you make it mandatory? I mean I’m all for everyone getting it and anyone who doesn’t get it because of bollocks they’ve read on the internet is obviously a bit thick but it has to be a choice because there’s something incredibly sinister about holding people down and sticking a needle in their arm against their will. | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 17:39 - Dec 1 with 1309 views | Professor |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 16:29 - Nov 30 by A_Fans_Dad |
Then you understand incorrectly, over 200 studies say it works at normal 200-400mg doses, with Zinc and an Antibiotic of course. |
Cochrane reviews are the definitive standard in evidence-based medicine.
https://www.cochrane.org/news/
They don't consider it to work and do not recommend it. You can dress it up all you want, it's a pig in lipstick and the kind of nonsense which defects from what we should be doing:
1. Using vaccines
2. Using additional therapies such as regeneron's monoclonal antibody cocktail for those who cannot be effectively vaccinated
3. Continue to use supporting therapies like dexamethasone and improvements in management
4. Roll out the new anti-virals and continue to support the development of these and vaccines
5. Get the world vaccinated.
Ignoring this stupid Alt-right and Russian interference that is causing uncertainty and vaccine hesitancy is the best thing we can do. | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 17:41 - Dec 1 with 1308 views | Professor |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 16:57 - Dec 1 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
How do you make it mandatory? I mean I’m all for everyone getting it and anyone who doesn’t get it because of bollocks they’ve read on the internet is obviously a bit thick but it has to be a choice because there’s something incredibly sinister about holding people down and sticking a needle in their arm against their will. |
I don't agree with mandatory vaccination. But I am quite happy that it's a requirement for entry into events, pubs, restaurants, theatres etc. and for travel. Notwithstanding that a small number of people genuinely cannot be vaccinated. Choice remains. | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 18:20 - Dec 1 with 1285 views | jojaca |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 17:41 - Dec 1 by Professor |
I don't agree with mandatory vaccination. But I am quite happy that it's a requirement for entry into events, pubs, restaurants, theatres etc. and for travel. Notwithstanding that a small number of people genuinely cannot be vaccinated. Choice remains. |
If you wanted to be safe as you can, everyone should be tested to enter public places. The unvaccinated who do tests to enter the stadium on match day are less likely to infect someone than the vaccinated who don't do tests. [Post edited 1 Dec 2021 18:21]
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 18:47 - Dec 1 with 1270 views | Catullus |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 16:49 - Dec 1 by felixstowe_jack |
I see the President of the European commission Ursula has said all countries in the EU should consider making the vaccine mandatory. |
And she tried getting a new law through giving the EU executive powers in the case of any future pandemics! it caused a bit of a stink. | |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 20:25 - Dec 1 with 1245 views | alltjack |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 14:06 - Nov 28 by Catullus |
Who was this someone? A stranger? Regardless, of course there will always be some people who are vaccinated and get seriously ill. My neighbour 2 doors down is vaccinated and boosted but he has COPD, Diabetes, a dodgy heart and he's 62. If he catches covid he has a higher chance of being seriously ill.
This mans mate, what are his circumstances, what is his age, his health status? |
I'm almost 62, have COPD, had a cardiac arrest, a heart attack in February and an ongoing heart problem, I had Covid a month ago and was quite ill, luckily I'd had both jabs and booster since, I wouldn't like to think of the consequences if I hadn't | | | |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 20:41 - Dec 1 with 1235 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 20:25 - Dec 1 by alltjack |
I'm almost 62, have COPD, had a cardiac arrest, a heart attack in February and an ongoing heart problem, I had Covid a month ago and was quite ill, luckily I'd had both jabs and booster since, I wouldn't like to think of the consequences if I hadn't |
Sounds like you’ve been through the mill. Hope you’re getting stronger each day AJ 💪 | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 22:18 - Dec 1 with 1177 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 17:39 - Dec 1 by Professor |
Cochrane reviews are the definitive standard in evidence-based medicine.
https://www.cochrane.org/news/
They don't consider it to work and do not recommend it. You can dress it up all you want, it's a pig in lipstick and the kind of nonsense which defects from what we should be doing:
1. Using vaccines
2. Using additional therapies such as regeneron's monoclonal antibody cocktail for those who cannot be effectively vaccinated
3. Continue to use supporting therapies like dexamethasone and improvements in management
4. Roll out the new anti-virals and continue to support the development of these and vaccines
5. Get the world vaccinated.
Ignoring this stupid Alt-right and Russian interference that is causing uncertainty and vaccine hesitancy is the best thing we can do. |
They checked 14 studies out of 298 trials.
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 22:25 - Dec 1 with 1172 views | Professor |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 22:18 - Dec 1 by A_Fans_Dad |
They checked 14 studies out of 298 trials.
OK |
Go and learn. Understand why those trials , most observational, most woefully underpowered and several extremely dubious are not considered.
Except that needs knowledge and experience.
Not the University of Page or Brin College | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 22:34 - Dec 1 with 1147 views | DJack |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 18:20 - Dec 1 by jojaca |
If you wanted to be safe as you can, everyone should be tested to enter public places. The unvaccinated who do tests to enter the stadium on match day are less likely to infect someone than the vaccinated who don't do tests. [Post edited 1 Dec 2021 18:21]
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Citation please. |  |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 22:43 - Dec 1 with 1133 views | Jack123 |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 22:34 - Dec 1 by DJack |
Citation please. |
You don't need a citation for that, just common sense. |  |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 23:09 - Dec 1 with 1119 views | DJack |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 22:43 - Dec 1 by Jack123 |
You don't need a citation for that, just common sense. |
...hahahaha!
You've just proven that there is no such thing as common sense. | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 23:23 - Dec 1 with 1102 views | Jack123 |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 23:09 - Dec 1 by DJack |
...hahahaha!
You've just proven that there is no such thing as common sense. |
But the question you are asking is lacking common sense, surely you must be aware by now that the vaccinated can still carry the virus? So if the unvaccinated are taking a test to prove/show they have not got the virus. Then they are less likely to have the virus..
To ask for a citation on such a said remark, is a bit of a  moment for me, but I was trying to be nice. | |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 12:01 - Dec 2 with 1026 views | RonaldStump |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 17:41 - Dec 1 by Professor |
I don't agree with mandatory vaccination. But I am quite happy that it's a requirement for entry into events, pubs, restaurants, theatres etc. and for travel. Notwithstanding that a small number of people genuinely cannot be vaccinated. Choice remains. |
The most disgusting abhorrent peice of dribble to be posted on here by you!!
Thinking the human rights of fellow human beings are yours, the governments or anybody else's to take away makes me sick to the stomach. You really need to seek help as you have clearly been affected by the constant propaganda.
We should all have the choice
Jabbed or unjabbed to go anywhere
jabbed or unjabbed to stay at home if they don't feel safe
business's to open and serve whoever they choose, jabbed unjabbed or both
This clot shot is not a one size fits all that is clearly obvious.
make the alternative therapies available for those that want them.
If the government care about their fellow human beings so much
feed the starving, promote healthy lifestyles, stop the division, stop starting wars based on lies.
I could go on but you wouldn't understand as it doesn't suit your narrative [Post edited 2 Dec 2021 12:05]
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 12:03 - Dec 2 with 1030 views | DJack |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 23:23 - Dec 1 by Jack123 |
But the question you are asking is lacking common sense, surely you must be aware by now that the vaccinated can still carry the virus? So if the unvaccinated are taking a test to prove/show they have not got the virus. Then they are less likely to have the virus..
To ask for a citation on such a said remark, is a bit of a moment for me, but I was trying to be nice. |
You can take and pass a lateral flow test a couple of days before the match and covid positive on the day. How much of a difference this is I have no idea but that also is the same for the other poster. A cited document to establish a claim as fact is reasonable.
So go scramble some eggs. | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 12:24 - Dec 2 with 1018 views | Professor |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 12:01 - Dec 2 by RonaldStump |
The most disgusting abhorrent peice of dribble to be posted on here by you!!
Thinking the human rights of fellow human beings are yours, the governments or anybody else's to take away makes me sick to the stomach. You really need to seek help as you have clearly been affected by the constant propaganda.
We should all have the choice
Jabbed or unjabbed to go anywhere
jabbed or unjabbed to stay at home if they don't feel safe
business's to open and serve whoever they choose, jabbed unjabbed or both
This clot shot is not a one size fits all that is clearly obvious.
make the alternative therapies available for those that want them.
If the government care about their fellow human beings so much
feed the starving, promote healthy lifestyles, stop the division, stop starting wars based on lies.
I could go on but you wouldn't understand as it doesn't suit your narrative [Post edited 2 Dec 2021 12:05]
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The increased risk of infection without vaccination impacts on the rights of everyone. You truly are the village idiot. | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 15:13 - Dec 2 with 985 views | howenjack |
Real power is achieved when the ruling class controls the material essentials of life , granting and withholding them from the masses as if they were privileges .
George Orwell. | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 15:17 - Dec 2 with 981 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 22:25 - Dec 1 by Professor |
Go and learn. Understand why those trials , most observational, most woefully underpowered and several extremely dubious are not considered.
Except that needs knowledge and experience.
Not the University of Page or Brin College |
Not one of those studies used Zinc, which was a protocol requirement from when HCQ was first identified as a treatment. Only 2 studies used HCQ with an Antibiotic.
What is interesting is that reading the actual studies does not give the same impression as the Cochrane conclusion.
I suggest that you actually go and read them, there are at least 2 that have conclusions at odds with their results.
But here are the quotes from the studies themselves.
Abdâ€Elsalam 2020 - After 28 days HCQ and Control Recovered 52 (53.6) 33 (34.0), Mild 23 (23.7) 39 (40.2), Moderate 8 (8.2) 11 (11.3), Severe 8 (8.2) 9 (9.2), Death 6 (6.1) 5 (5.1). Quote :- "overall mortality was not significantly associated with HCQ therapy; however, it was significantly related to the patient’s age, alanine aminotransferase, serum creatinine, serum ferritin, C-reactive protein, oxygen saturation, and the presence of diabetes mellitus "
Boulware 2020 - postexposure prophylaxis Quote :- "Outcome The primary outcome was the incidence of either laboratory-confirmed Covid-19 or illness compatible with Covid-19 within 14 days." and "The incidence of new illness compatible with Covid-19 did not differ significantly between participants receiving hydroxychloroquine (49 of 414 [11.8%]) and those receiving placebo (58 of 407 [14.3%])". So not "laboratory-confirmed Covid-19"
Cavalcanti 2020 - This is the study that says that 3 deaths are not better than 5 deaths at 15 days when Hydroxychloroquine plus Azithromycin are used. Which is still only 2/3rds of the recommended protocol. But on it's own HCQ also had 5 Deaths. Overal mortality HCQ +A = 5 Control = 6, Effect Estimate 0.64.
Chen 2020a - Quote :- " Radiological progression was shown on CT images in 5 cases (33.3%) of the HCQ group and 7 cases (46.7%) of the control group, and all patients showed improvement in follow-up examinations."
Chen 2020b - Quote :- "But for TTCR, the body temperature recovery time and the cough remission time were significantly shortened in the HCQ treatment group. Besides, a larger proportion of patients with improved pneumonia in the HCQ treatment group (80.6%, 25 of 31) compared with the control group (54.8%, 17 of 31). Notably, all 4 patients progressed to severe illness that occurred in the control group."
Chen 2020c - Quote :- "In the RCT, the median times to negative rRT-PCR from randomization to hospital day 14 were 5 days (95% CI; 1—9 days) and 10 days (95% CI; 2—12 days) for the HCQ and SOC groups, respectively (p = 0.40). On day 14, 81.0% (17/21) and 75.0% (9/12) of the subjects in the HCQ and SOC groups" and yet their conclusion was "Neither study demonstrated that HCQ shortened viral shedding in mild to moderate COVID-19 subjects."
Davoodi 2020 - Which is not a "control group trial" but a comparison trial between febuxostat (FBX) and hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) Quote :- "Fever, cough and tachypnoea were significantly mitigated in both groups after five days of treatments" and "The mean percentages of lung involvement were significantly reduced to 7.3% and 8% after 14 days of treatment with FBX and HCQ, respectively."
Horby 2020 (Recovery Study) a trial designed to fail.
Huang 2020 - A Cloroquine study not HCQ Quote :- "By Day 9, 6 patients (60%) in the Chloroquine group reached lung clearance, compared to 3 (25%) from the Lopinavir/Ritonavir group (Figure 1B, middle panel). By Day 14, the incidence rate of lung improvement based on CT imaging from the Chloroquine group was more than doubled to that of the Lopinavir/Ritonavir group (rate ratio 2.21, 95% CI 0.81—6.62). These results suggest that patients treated with Chloroquine appear to recover better and regain their pulmonary function quicker than those treated with Lopinavir/Ritonavir." and "In addition, consistent with the CT imaging data (Figure 1B, middle panel), patients treated with Chloroquine were discharged from hospital in a much quicker pace (Figure 1B, right panel). The first patient discharged from hospital was from the Lopinavir/Ritonavir group at Day 8, and the first discharged from the Chloroquine group was at Day 9. Encouragingly, by Day 14, all 10 patients (100%) from the Chloroquine group were discharged compared to 6 patients (50%) from the Lopinavir/Ritonavir group (Figure 1B, right panel; Supplementary Table S2). Furthermore, Chloroquine also appeared to promote quicker recovery compared to Lopinavir/Ritonavir recommended by health authorities in China."
Mitjà 2020a - Quote :- "Treatment did not reduce risk of hospitalization (7.1% control vs 5.9% intervention) nor shorten the time to complete resolution of symptoms (12 days, control vs 10 days, intervention)."? So
Mitjà 2020b - Quote :- "There was no significant difference in the primary outcome of PCR-confirmed, symptomatic Covid-19 disease (6.2% usual care vs. 5.7% HCQ; risk ratio 0.89.
Pan 2020 - WHO Solidarity study, No actual results published and not peer reviewed, only a "report" showing none of the 4 drugs worked.
Skipper 2020 - Quote "With placebo, 10 hospitalizations occurred (2 non—COVID-19—related), including 1 hospitalized death. With hydroxychloroquine, 4 hospitalizations occurred plus 1 nonhospitalized death " does not relate to quote "Conclusion: Hydroxychloroquine did not substantially reduce symptom severity in outpatients with early, mild COVID-19."
Tang 2020 - Quote "Hydroxychloroquine administrated at a loading dose of 1200 mg daily for three days followed by a maintenance dose of 800 mg daily" and "total treatment duration: two or three weeks ". Another study with overdosed patients, were they trying to kill them? | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 16:46 - Dec 2 with 954 views | Catullus |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 15:13 - Dec 2 by howenjack |
Real power is achieved when the ruling class controls the material essentials of life , granting and withholding them from the masses as if they were privileges .
George Orwell. |
The ruling classes have controlled the material essentials of life for centuries. The Romans did a fine job of taxing people while the ruling class lived in the kind of luxury even Jeff Bezos would think excessive. | |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 18:03 - Dec 2 with 937 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 16:46 - Dec 2 by Catullus |
The ruling classes have controlled the material essentials of life for centuries. The Romans did a fine job of taxing people while the ruling class lived in the kind of luxury even Jeff Bezos would think excessive. |
That is pretty much where they want to take us back to. | | | |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 20:14 - Dec 2 with 883 views | Dr_Winston |
There have always been rich, there have always been poor.
The standard of living for the poor (in developed Western economies at least) has never been higher. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 05:37 - Dec 3 with 801 views | RonaldStump |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 12:24 - Dec 2 by Professor |
The increased risk of infection without vaccination impacts on the rights of everyone. You truly are the village idiot. |
Only one village idiot on this thread!!
And he thinks he's a professor...the irony | |
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| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 06:14 - Dec 3 with 799 views | Professor |
| Covid variant B.1.1.529 on 05:37 - Dec 3 by RonaldStump |
Only one village idiot on this thread!!
And he thinks he's a professor...the irony |
It’s great t you put up these early posts before your paper round. | | | |
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