| The Vaccination Industry 11:39 - Dec 7 with 6263 views | RonaldStump |
I know a few people who have worked in the chemical and big pharma industry for almost 3 decades. The logistics of this clot shot manufacture puzzles them.If we combined all the manufacturers would they be able to manufacture the the shots at one dose per second it would take almost 32 years to make a billion doses. So where is it all coming from? some have had their fourth dose. They want to vaccinate the population of the world several times over yet we don't see any NEW manufacturing facilities, mass staffing and recruitment? It would take a minimum of 6 months to train a technician in the very basics of vessel competency yet here we are, an unlimited supply of this treatment! It's almost like it's been stockpiled years in advance.
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| Clot Shot industry on 09:41 - Dec 19 with 1121 views | onehunglow |
| Clot Shot industry on 07:20 - Dec 19 by Sirjohnalot |
Oh absolutely, commercial law etc is where the real money is, but I’d be so bored. Can’t see many people wanting to get into a debate on here on whether something is an implied or express term of a contract !
Criminal law is bonkers, everyday is different.
I get people all the time asking me for advice on employment law or family etc. Won’t do it, I pass them onto my colleague, I can give, what I think is correct, but make it clear it’s not my area. [Post edited 19 Dec 2021 7:24]
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They simply dont like paying for professional advice
If I want a house rewiring I d consult an Electrician. They ve not all returned to Latvia | |
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| Clot Shot industry on 09:45 - Dec 19 with 1119 views | Catullus |
| Clot Shot industry on 23:20 - Dec 18 by Professor |
Who happened to write an extremely unprofessional, nay, downright nasty piece of right wing populism for Daily Mail click bait. Now, let’s give Dalgliesh his due, he is a much better scientist than Sikora and did some very good work on HIV and Karposi’s sarcoma in the 1980s, but about as qualified as a GP to give expert opinion on public health to a national newspaper. You do know what oncology means? I am not so sure anymore |
A few personal opinions,
Prof, you don't have a duty to try and put right people who don't want to listen. They've made their minds up and nothing you say will change that. In fact, the more truth you tell them, the further down the rabbit hole they retreat.
My sister is a specialist Oncology Nurse, highly trained, degree educated, she wouldn't know about covid to the levels you are talking about. As a medical professional of 41 years, she'd know more than the basics but would never claim to be an expert.
The vaccines work and even if they do cause problems further down the line, isn't it better to be alive to face those problems and fight them, than the alternative,
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news
And while I don't believe the worst case scenario will happen, because they always seem to get that wrong, the models are flawed in my opinion and Ferguson is a doom monger, this is still a big issue that we need to take much more seriously than some seem to want to.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news
The truth, as it often is, is somewhere in the middle. | |
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| Clot Shot industry on 09:53 - Dec 19 with 1106 views | onehunglow |
| Clot Shot industry on 09:45 - Dec 19 by Catullus |
A few personal opinions,
Prof, you don't have a duty to try and put right people who don't want to listen. They've made their minds up and nothing you say will change that. In fact, the more truth you tell them, the further down the rabbit hole they retreat.
My sister is a specialist Oncology Nurse, highly trained, degree educated, she wouldn't know about covid to the levels you are talking about. As a medical professional of 41 years, she'd know more than the basics but would never claim to be an expert.
The vaccines work and even if they do cause problems further down the line, isn't it better to be alive to face those problems and fight them, than the alternative,
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news
And while I don't believe the worst case scenario will happen, because they always seem to get that wrong, the models are flawed in my opinion and Ferguson is a doom monger, this is still a big issue that we need to take much more seriously than some seem to want to.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news
The truth, as it often is, is somewhere in the middle. |
Cat.
My comment regarding "duty"were and are tongue in cheek.A clumsy phrase I regret posting.
Prof has no reason to post on this at all if he so wishes. He could keep to the bland and banal but he has a clear commitment to public health albeit .
That said,those that are insulting ,quite openly,on here should be pilloried and shown for the xxxte they are. | |
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| Clot Shot industry on 09:55 - Dec 19 with 1104 views | Dr_Winston |
| Clot Shot industry on 09:45 - Dec 19 by Catullus |
A few personal opinions,
Prof, you don't have a duty to try and put right people who don't want to listen. They've made their minds up and nothing you say will change that. In fact, the more truth you tell them, the further down the rabbit hole they retreat.
My sister is a specialist Oncology Nurse, highly trained, degree educated, she wouldn't know about covid to the levels you are talking about. As a medical professional of 41 years, she'd know more than the basics but would never claim to be an expert.
The vaccines work and even if they do cause problems further down the line, isn't it better to be alive to face those problems and fight them, than the alternative,
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news
And while I don't believe the worst case scenario will happen, because they always seem to get that wrong, the models are flawed in my opinion and Ferguson is a doom monger, this is still a big issue that we need to take much more seriously than some seem to want to.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news
The truth, as it often is, is somewhere in the middle. |
You're bang on about modeling.
Ferguson should be a professional pariah by now. An absolute joke. Yet for some unfathomable reason he still has influence. Every prediction he gets wildly wrong just adds fuel to the conspiracist fire.
One thing that's fairly obvious about this Govt by now is that they overreact to perceived mistakes by swinging too far in the opposite direction. Stung by criticism for not reacting enough before, now they may be reacting too much, using Cassandra Ferguson's predictions as justification. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Clot Shot industry on 10:09 - Dec 19 with 1090 views | Catullus |
| Clot Shot industry on 09:55 - Dec 19 by Dr_Winston |
You're bang on about modeling.
Ferguson should be a professional pariah by now. An absolute joke. Yet for some unfathomable reason he still has influence. Every prediction he gets wildly wrong just adds fuel to the conspiracist fire.
One thing that's fairly obvious about this Govt by now is that they overreact to perceived mistakes by swinging too far in the opposite direction. Stung by criticism for not reacting enough before, now they may be reacting too much, using Cassandra Ferguson's predictions as justification. |
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| Clot Shot industry on 11:29 - Dec 19 with 1039 views | Boundy |
| Clot Shot industry on 21:10 - Dec 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
So, he tells the country that we had a massive increase in cases, but doesn't tell the country that the majority of them were due to almost the same size increase in tests.
OK
You may not think he is but Professor Dalgleish is not impressed.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/de
The latest official UK figures make very interesting reading, they have changed the numbers from the last time I looked on the 15th.
The 16th saw a 26% drop in cases to 66,094 while the tests only dropped 2%. |
Simple question , have you asked yourself why there's recently been an increase in testing? | |
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| Clot Shot industry on 14:22 - Dec 19 with 1003 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Clot Shot industry on 11:29 - Dec 19 by Boundy |
Simple question , have you asked yourself why there's recently been an increase in testing? |
Well, it could be something to do with looking for the Omicron version.
But that changes nothing.
It is a universal constant that all things being equal more tests equal more cases found.
If you don't look you don't find other than the real cases that have symptoms. | | | |
| Clot Shot industry on 18:18 - Dec 19 with 962 views | Boundy |
| Clot Shot industry on 14:22 - Dec 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
Well, it could be something to do with looking for the Omicron version.
But that changes nothing.
It is a universal constant that all things being equal more tests equal more cases found.
If you don't look you don't find other than the real cases that have symptoms. |
Maybe its because more people are feeling the effects of contracting the virus due to the new strain , I could be wrong but in my experience people get tested when they be think they have something to test for rather than test for testing sake | |
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| Clot Shot industry on 19:17 - Dec 19 with 939 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Clot Shot industry on 18:18 - Dec 19 by Boundy |
Maybe its because more people are feeling the effects of contracting the virus due to the new strain , I could be wrong but in my experience people get tested when they be think they have something to test for rather than test for testing sake |
If that is the case then there really are a lot of people with "something" wrong with them.
1,598,910 tests and only 76,329 positive cases, which is only 1 in 21.
A lot of sick people then with something else other than COVID. | | | |
| Clot Shot industry on 19:53 - Dec 19 with 917 views | Boundy |
| Clot Shot industry on 19:17 - Dec 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
If that is the case then there really are a lot of people with "something" wrong with them.
1,598,910 tests and only 76,329 positive cases, which is only 1 in 21.
A lot of sick people then with something else other than COVID. |
we are in the traditional period of the year where coughs , sneeze's etc are prevalent and without the test they can't discount whether they have Covid or not | |
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| Clot Shot industry on 21:02 - Dec 19 with 896 views | Catullus |
| Clot Shot industry on 14:22 - Dec 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
Well, it could be something to do with looking for the Omicron version.
But that changes nothing.
It is a universal constant that all things being equal more tests equal more cases found.
If you don't look you don't find other than the real cases that have symptoms. |
Do I have to explain percentages to you again? The percentages only rise if case numbers are rising. | |
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| Clot Shot industry on 21:39 - Dec 19 with 882 views | Professor |
| Clot Shot industry on 19:53 - Dec 19 by Boundy |
we are in the traditional period of the year where coughs , sneeze's etc are prevalent and without the test they can't discount whether they have Covid or not |
I have indeed such a cold, with a cough. And yes, have been tested. | | | |
| Clot Shot industry on 11:14 - Dec 20 with 804 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Clot Shot industry on 19:24 - Dec 18 by Gwyn737 |
To be fair, we’ve got to the point that nobody knows what you’re on about. |
Yes, you are right, because it is not on the BBC or in the Guardian.
It is a technical Medical Statistics paper about ONS All Cause Mortality data. | | | |
| Clot Shot industry on 11:22 - Dec 20 with 801 views | Catullus |
| Clot Shot industry on 11:14 - Dec 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
Yes, you are right, because it is not on the BBC or in the Guardian.
It is a technical Medical Statistics paper about ONS All Cause Mortality data. |
You mean this,
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplep | |
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| Clot Shot industry on 15:31 - Dec 20 with 748 views | Catullus |
OK. And for clarity, what do think that table says? | |
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| Clot Shot industry on 15:48 - Dec 20 with 743 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Clot Shot industry on 15:31 - Dec 20 by Catullus |
OK. And for clarity, what do think that table says? |
It is not what I think the table says, it is what the statisticians think the whole data says.
If you would like to read what they think it says you can do so here.
file:///C:/Users/ACD06C~1/AppData/Local/Temp/KeyIssueswithONSvaxxmortalityreportFINAL-1.pdf
But it is a lot of reading. | | | |
| Clot Shot industry on 15:56 - Dec 20 with 739 views | Catullus |
| Clot Shot industry on 15:48 - Dec 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
It is not what I think the table says, it is what the statisticians think the whole data says.
If you would like to read what they think it says you can do so here.
file:///C:/Users/ACD06C~1/AppData/Local/Temp/KeyIssueswithONSvaxxmortalityreportFINAL-1.pdf
But it is a lot of reading. |
I was after your opinion. I can't be bothered with 'a lot of reading'
If I want to read a lot, I pick up my Kindle. | |
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| Clot Shot industry on 16:09 - Dec 20 with 737 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Clot Shot industry on 15:56 - Dec 20 by Catullus |
I was after your opinion. I can't be bothered with 'a lot of reading'
If I want to read a lot, I pick up my Kindle. |
Well as they are expert Statisticians that should know what they are talking about I believe them.
So I will quote for you to save you reading it.
"However, despite this apparent evidence to support vaccine effectiveness - at least for the older age
groups - on closer inspection of this data, this conclusion is cast into doubt. That is because we have shown
a range of fundamental inconsistencies and flaws in the data. Specifically:
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- In each group the non-Covid mortality rates in the three different categories of vaccinated people
fluctuate in a wild, but consistent way, far removed from the expected historical mortality rates.
- Whereas the non-Covid mortality rate for unvaccinated should be consistent with historical
mortality rates (and if, anything slightly lower than the vaccinated non-Covid mortality rate) it is
not only higher than the vaccinated mortality rate, but it is far higher than the historical mortality
rate.
- In previous years each of the 60-69, 70-79 and 80+ groups have mortality peaks at the same time
during the year (including 2020 when all suffered the April Covid peak at the same time). Yet in
2021 each age group has non-Covid mortality peaks for the unvaccinated at a different time,
namely the time that vaccination rollout programmes for those cohorts reach a peak.
- The peaks in the Covid mortality data for the unvaccinated are inconsistent with the actual Covid
wave.
and
"By Occam’s razor we believe the most likely explanations are:
- Systematic miscategorisation of deaths between the different groups of unvaccinated and
vaccinated.
- Delayed or non-reporting of vaccinations.
- Systematic underestimation of the proportion of unvaccinated.
- Incorrect population selection for Covid deaths.
With these considerations in mind we applied adjustments to the ONS data and showed that they lead to
the conclusion that the vaccines do not reduce all-cause mortality, but rather produce genuine spikes in
all-cause mortality shortly after vaccination." | | | |
| Clot Shot industry on 16:39 - Dec 20 with 728 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Clot Shot industry on 16:09 - Dec 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
Well as they are expert Statisticians that should know what they are talking about I believe them.
So I will quote for you to save you reading it.
"However, despite this apparent evidence to support vaccine effectiveness - at least for the older age
groups - on closer inspection of this data, this conclusion is cast into doubt. That is because we have shown
a range of fundamental inconsistencies and flaws in the data. Specifically:
20
- In each group the non-Covid mortality rates in the three different categories of vaccinated people
fluctuate in a wild, but consistent way, far removed from the expected historical mortality rates.
- Whereas the non-Covid mortality rate for unvaccinated should be consistent with historical
mortality rates (and if, anything slightly lower than the vaccinated non-Covid mortality rate) it is
not only higher than the vaccinated mortality rate, but it is far higher than the historical mortality
rate.
- In previous years each of the 60-69, 70-79 and 80+ groups have mortality peaks at the same time
during the year (including 2020 when all suffered the April Covid peak at the same time). Yet in
2021 each age group has non-Covid mortality peaks for the unvaccinated at a different time,
namely the time that vaccination rollout programmes for those cohorts reach a peak.
- The peaks in the Covid mortality data for the unvaccinated are inconsistent with the actual Covid
wave.
and
"By Occam’s razor we believe the most likely explanations are:
- Systematic miscategorisation of deaths between the different groups of unvaccinated and
vaccinated.
- Delayed or non-reporting of vaccinations.
- Systematic underestimation of the proportion of unvaccinated.
- Incorrect population selection for Covid deaths.
With these considerations in mind we applied adjustments to the ONS data and showed that they lead to
the conclusion that the vaccines do not reduce all-cause mortality, but rather produce genuine spikes in
all-cause mortality shortly after vaccination." |
Just get vaccinated over 1200 Deaths a day at peak last January.
Now 100 a day with the unvaccinated disproportionately dying. [Post edited 20 Dec 2021 16:41]
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| Clot Shot industry on 19:39 - Dec 20 with 701 views | Catullus |
| Clot Shot industry on 16:09 - Dec 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
Well as they are expert Statisticians that should know what they are talking about I believe them.
So I will quote for you to save you reading it.
"However, despite this apparent evidence to support vaccine effectiveness - at least for the older age
groups - on closer inspection of this data, this conclusion is cast into doubt. That is because we have shown
a range of fundamental inconsistencies and flaws in the data. Specifically:
20
- In each group the non-Covid mortality rates in the three different categories of vaccinated people
fluctuate in a wild, but consistent way, far removed from the expected historical mortality rates.
- Whereas the non-Covid mortality rate for unvaccinated should be consistent with historical
mortality rates (and if, anything slightly lower than the vaccinated non-Covid mortality rate) it is
not only higher than the vaccinated mortality rate, but it is far higher than the historical mortality
rate.
- In previous years each of the 60-69, 70-79 and 80+ groups have mortality peaks at the same time
during the year (including 2020 when all suffered the April Covid peak at the same time). Yet in
2021 each age group has non-Covid mortality peaks for the unvaccinated at a different time,
namely the time that vaccination rollout programmes for those cohorts reach a peak.
- The peaks in the Covid mortality data for the unvaccinated are inconsistent with the actual Covid
wave.
and
"By Occam’s razor we believe the most likely explanations are:
- Systematic miscategorisation of deaths between the different groups of unvaccinated and
vaccinated.
- Delayed or non-reporting of vaccinations.
- Systematic underestimation of the proportion of unvaccinated.
- Incorrect population selection for Covid deaths.
With these considerations in mind we applied adjustments to the ONS data and showed that they lead to
the conclusion that the vaccines do not reduce all-cause mortality, but rather produce genuine spikes in
all-cause mortality shortly after vaccination." |
Yeah, too much to read. | |
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| Clot Shot industry on 19:41 - Dec 20 with 700 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Clot Shot industry on 19:39 - Dec 20 by Catullus |
Yeah, too much to read. |
You must suffer with a minute attention span. | | | |
| Clot Shot industry on 20:10 - Dec 21 with 640 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Clot Shot industry on 19:39 - Dec 20 by Catullus |
Yeah, too much to read. |
Did you bother to read the last sentence?
I will repeat it for you.
"With these considerations in mind we applied adjustments to the ONS data and showed that they lead to the conclusion that the vaccines do not reduce all-cause mortality, but rather produce genuine spikes in all-cause mortality shortly after vaccination." | | | |
| Clot Shot industry on 11:15 - Dec 22 with 590 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Clot Shot industry on 20:10 - Dec 21 by A_Fans_Dad |
Did you bother to read the last sentence?
I will repeat it for you.
"With these considerations in mind we applied adjustments to the ONS data and showed that they lead to the conclusion that the vaccines do not reduce all-cause mortality, but rather produce genuine spikes in all-cause mortality shortly after vaccination." |
At least the vaccinations have reduced the dearh rate from over 2,000 a day in January to around 125 a day currently with a lot of those among the unvaccinated of course. | |
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