| Britain is overreacting to Omicron 19:25 - Dec 15 with 10700 views | 73__73 |
DR Angelique Coetzee. No doubt the vaccination and lockdown zealots will call her a nutter etc. |  |
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| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 13:33 - Dec 17 with 1407 views | Catullus |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 12:52 - Dec 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
The cases are there if you believe the test results and have been all along.
But they do not show up for the Government to declare unless they test more to find them. Unless they just make them up of course.
If that increase had been with the same number of tests then they would have been a genuine increase in infectivity, but because they only found them by increasing the number of tests it is not a genuine increase, only the difference in rates is the increase in infectivity.
So why didn't Whiity and the government tell you that the massive increase in cases wasn't just due to infectivity but most of it was as a result of extra testing.
I will tell you why, it doesn't have the same fear factor that is why.
Everybody has been repeating the numbers without any critical thinking whatsoever.
And that includes our resident Vaccine expert.
Ask youself would anybody accept the new restrictions based on the possibility that Omicron is more infectious but less virulent when it takes over? |
Based on the possibility? There's your problem, while it is possible Omicron is less virulent, it is also possible (in an older population) that it is more virulent. Until we know the answer surely caution is the best approach?
Percentages are always percentages though, like I said, do more tests and the numbers are bound to rise but the percentage doesn't have to. However, if the case percentages is rising then it means more and more people are catching it. | |
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| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 13:57 - Dec 17 with 1387 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 13:33 - Dec 17 by Catullus |
Based on the possibility? There's your problem, while it is possible Omicron is less virulent, it is also possible (in an older population) that it is more virulent. Until we know the answer surely caution is the best approach?
Percentages are always percentages though, like I said, do more tests and the numbers are bound to rise but the percentage doesn't have to. However, if the case percentages is rising then it means more and more people are catching it. |
The case percentage is rising much slower than the government are saying, less than 10% per day, not the 50% they are bandying about.
Which is patent fear mongering. | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 14:05 - Dec 17 with 1385 views | whiterock |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 13:57 - Dec 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
The case percentage is rising much slower than the government are saying, less than 10% per day, not the 50% they are bandying about.
Which is patent fear mongering. |
No its not, its erring on the site of caution, what politician wants to come out with the 'there's fÚck all to this variant, old bean' especially if it turns in to something really nasty, better to be safe than sorry | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 14:17 - Dec 17 with 1381 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 14:05 - Dec 17 by whiterock |
No its not, its erring on the site of caution, what politician wants to come out with the 'there's fÚck all to this variant, old bean' especially if it turns in to something really nasty, better to be safe than sorry |
So you are OK with them lying to the public.
I am sure you consider it to be "all for the greater good". | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 14:38 - Dec 17 with 1366 views | Catullus |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 14:17 - Dec 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
So you are OK with them lying to the public.
I am sure you consider it to be "all for the greater good". |
It comes down to how you interpret the stats really and stats can be manipulated.
What really doesn't help is the mixed messages and so many people thinking our politicians are clowns, as this man said last night on QT,
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/ente | |
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| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 15:26 - Dec 17 with 1329 views | Scotia |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/hea
85% protection against severe illness would be great if not as good as against other variants, but 15% remaining vulnerable of a very high number of infections over a short space of time could see an awful lot of people in hospital. | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 17:13 - Dec 17 with 1316 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 15:26 - Dec 17 by Scotia |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/hea
85% protection against severe illness would be great if not as good as against other variants, but 15% remaining vulnerable of a very high number of infections over a short space of time could see an awful lot of people in hospital. |
Well actually 85% protection against catching it. Those who do catch it will have far milder symptoms with fewer needing hospitalisation, Fewer visits to ICU and death rates of the vaccinated far lower than last January when 1000 to 1500 a day were dying with full lockdown compared to 125 a day currently with no lockdown. | |
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| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 18:58 - Dec 17 with 1280 views | Catullus |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 14:17 - Dec 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
So you are OK with them lying to the public.
I am sure you consider it to be "all for the greater good". |
Again you call it lying but it's not. it's hypothetical based on modelling (which we all know is usually wrong but there ya go!) with the now infamous Professor Neil Ferguson again at the forefront.
Ferguson's model is suggesting we could see 5000 Omicron deaths per day, 75 deaths per million daily.
Personally I think that is BS, maybe we'll see a lot of cases, a lot of hospitalisations but 5000 deaths per day? based on his previous models there is little reason to believe that.
Even so, it's still better to err on the side of caution. | |
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| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 14:18 - Dec 18 with 1203 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 18:58 - Dec 17 by Catullus |
Again you call it lying but it's not. it's hypothetical based on modelling (which we all know is usually wrong but there ya go!) with the now infamous Professor Neil Ferguson again at the forefront.
Ferguson's model is suggesting we could see 5000 Omicron deaths per day, 75 deaths per million daily.
Personally I think that is BS, maybe we'll see a lot of cases, a lot of hospitalisations but 5000 deaths per day? based on his previous models there is little reason to believe that.
Even so, it's still better to err on the side of caution. |
Well seeing as you like listening to professors, perhaps you will listen to this one.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/de
Quote. "But Whitty and his colleagues seem bent on fomenting anxiety as a precursor to even tougher restrictions in a 'Plan C'."
"As a doctor, it pains me to say this, but I believe that this climate of dread is being deliberately manufactured by the usual suspects – certain scientists and doctors – in order to impose a new lockdown by stealth, rather than edict." | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 16:38 - Dec 18 with 1168 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 14:38 - Dec 17 by Catullus |
It comes down to how you interpret the stats really and stats can be manipulated.
What really doesn't help is the mixed messages and so many people thinking our politicians are clowns, as this man said last night on QT,
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/ente |
Getting fed up with you and all this common sense u spout, pack it in mun !! |  | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 18:27 - Dec 18 with 1134 views | Catullus |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 16:38 - Dec 18 by Treforys_Jack |
Getting fed up with you and all this common sense u spout, pack it in mun !! |
I'll try, maybe for Christmas or a NY's resolution!
AFD, did you see the part where I called BS? The models aren't lies they are just very bad predictions made with insufficient data and in some cases, sections of data left out completely.
If everyone used common sense behaviour we'd be ok, mostly. | |
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| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 14:53 - Dec 19 with 1068 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 18:27 - Dec 18 by Catullus |
I'll try, maybe for Christmas or a NY's resolution!
AFD, did you see the part where I called BS? The models aren't lies they are just very bad predictions made with insufficient data and in some cases, sections of data left out completely.
If everyone used common sense behaviour we'd be ok, mostly. |
Professor Carl Heghan "A great deal of the apparent rise in Covid cases is actually tied to a major increase in the amount of testing. On December 7, Britain conducted roughly one million tests. By December 15, this had risen to 1.63 million — a rise of nearly two-thirds in eight days.
Meanwhile, the true infection rate as judged by the PCR testing system has remained largely constant."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/de
Yes it is all my imagination and I don't know what I am talking about do I? | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 16:00 - Dec 19 with 1048 views | KeithHaynes |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 14:53 - Dec 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
Professor Carl Heghan "A great deal of the apparent rise in Covid cases is actually tied to a major increase in the amount of testing. On December 7, Britain conducted roughly one million tests. By December 15, this had risen to 1.63 million — a rise of nearly two-thirds in eight days.
Meanwhile, the true infection rate as judged by the PCR testing system has remained largely constant."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/de
Yes it is all my imagination and I don't know what I am talking about do I? |
Well of course it is.
Doesn’t negate the fact it’s here. |  |
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| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 16:21 - Dec 19 with 1030 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 14:53 - Dec 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
Professor Carl Heghan "A great deal of the apparent rise in Covid cases is actually tied to a major increase in the amount of testing. On December 7, Britain conducted roughly one million tests. By December 15, this had risen to 1.63 million — a rise of nearly two-thirds in eight days.
Meanwhile, the true infection rate as judged by the PCR testing system has remained largely constant."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/de
Yes it is all my imagination and I don't know what I am talking about do I? |
Not true unfortunately.
Over the last 7 days testing has increased by 19%
New cases over the last days have increased by 52%
Good news just under 1 million vaccinations delivered on Saturday
(Would have been over 1 million but Wales did not report number of vaccinations over the weekend)
Hospital admissions are still flat and deaths are still relatively low. The next two weeks are critical.
The sad part is, we are now administrating a million doses a day and we could vaccinate all 4 million unvaccinated adults by the end of the week, thereby vastly reducing the pool of unvaccinated people who are most likely to catch and spread the virus. [Post edited 19 Dec 2021 16:46]
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| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 18:17 - Dec 19 with 990 views | Catullus |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 14:53 - Dec 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
Professor Carl Heghan "A great deal of the apparent rise in Covid cases is actually tied to a major increase in the amount of testing. On December 7, Britain conducted roughly one million tests. By December 15, this had risen to 1.63 million — a rise of nearly two-thirds in eight days.
Meanwhile, the true infection rate as judged by the PCR testing system has remained largely constant."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/de
Yes it is all my imagination and I don't know what I am talking about do I? |
A few thoughts,
1, I thought we couldn't believe a word the MSM says, until it suits you, again!
2, Most of the people on here don't trust much the Daily mail says but right now you do.
3, As I already pointed out to you, I don't believe the stuff Neil Ferguson is spouting. His models are nearly always way off the mark and compiled with missing data which makes them fairly worthless. he's been pilloried for some of his "predictions"
4, The percentage will stay the same if cases aren't rising, even if the numbers of cases rise as more testing is done. If the percentage is rising, cases are rising.
5, This is one persons experience, you cannot multiply that out across the whole of the UK as an accurate barometer. Many other medical professionals are saying there's a problem. Hospitals are filling up, or are full.
5, If one persons experience of it is a good barometer then covid isn't at all dangerous and very few people have had it, in my little row of houses it would put the rate of infection at about 16% with no deaths and no hospitalisations. | |
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| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 19:01 - Dec 19 with 970 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 18:17 - Dec 19 by Catullus |
A few thoughts,
1, I thought we couldn't believe a word the MSM says, until it suits you, again!
2, Most of the people on here don't trust much the Daily mail says but right now you do.
3, As I already pointed out to you, I don't believe the stuff Neil Ferguson is spouting. His models are nearly always way off the mark and compiled with missing data which makes them fairly worthless. he's been pilloried for some of his "predictions"
4, The percentage will stay the same if cases aren't rising, even if the numbers of cases rise as more testing is done. If the percentage is rising, cases are rising.
5, This is one persons experience, you cannot multiply that out across the whole of the UK as an accurate barometer. Many other medical professionals are saying there's a problem. Hospitals are filling up, or are full.
5, If one persons experience of it is a good barometer then covid isn't at all dangerous and very few people have had it, in my little row of houses it would put the rate of infection at about 16% with no deaths and no hospitalisations. |
This is not just the MSM or the DM with some story, this is an article written by a professor.
If you can't see the difference that is OK. | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 20:17 - Dec 19 with 932 views | 73__73 |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 16:21 - Dec 19 by felixstowe_jack |
Not true unfortunately.
Over the last 7 days testing has increased by 19%
New cases over the last days have increased by 52%
Good news just under 1 million vaccinations delivered on Saturday
(Would have been over 1 million but Wales did not report number of vaccinations over the weekend)
Hospital admissions are still flat and deaths are still relatively low. The next two weeks are critical.
The sad part is, we are now administrating a million doses a day and we could vaccinate all 4 million unvaccinated adults by the end of the week, thereby vastly reducing the pool of unvaccinated people who are most likely to catch and spread the virus. [Post edited 19 Dec 2021 16:46]
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You keep repeating the same old nonsense, that unvaccinated people are the only ones spreading covid. | |
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| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 20:22 - Dec 19 with 918 views | GoldenBear |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 20:17 - Dec 19 by 73__73 |
You keep repeating the same old nonsense, that unvaccinated people are the only ones spreading covid. |
For goodness sake mun, it's obvious that the minority of unvaccinated are spreading it more than all those millions more who've been vaccinated. Get it right FFS. |  | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 20:30 - Dec 19 with 914 views | Jack123 |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 16:21 - Dec 19 by felixstowe_jack |
Not true unfortunately.
Over the last 7 days testing has increased by 19%
New cases over the last days have increased by 52%
Good news just under 1 million vaccinations delivered on Saturday
(Would have been over 1 million but Wales did not report number of vaccinations over the weekend)
Hospital admissions are still flat and deaths are still relatively low. The next two weeks are critical.
The sad part is, we are now administrating a million doses a day and we could vaccinate all 4 million unvaccinated adults by the end of the week, thereby vastly reducing the pool of unvaccinated people who are most likely to catch and spread the virus. [Post edited 19 Dec 2021 16:46]
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I mean no disrespect by this, but I'm really fed up of the vaccinated people thinking they have any right to say what we should do.
Surely, it should just be a case of you had yours, and protected, that should be it?
It's not for me, but I'm taking someone for their booster next week, it's their decision, I won't say one word to them about their choice. [Post edited 19 Dec 2021 20:34]
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| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 20:42 - Dec 19 with 895 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 20:30 - Dec 19 by Jack123 |
I mean no disrespect by this, but I'm really fed up of the vaccinated people thinking they have any right to say what we should do.
Surely, it should just be a case of you had yours, and protected, that should be it?
It's not for me, but I'm taking someone for their booster next week, it's their decision, I won't say one word to them about their choice. [Post edited 19 Dec 2021 20:34]
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I mean no disrespect by this, but I 'm really fed up of the unvaccinated people thinking they have the right to say what we should do.
The unvaccinated are catching and spreading the virus in disproportionate numbers. Lockdown and restrictions will continue as long as think only of themselves. | |
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| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 20:46 - Dec 19 with 895 views | GoldenBear |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 20:30 - Dec 19 by Jack123 |
I mean no disrespect by this, but I'm really fed up of the vaccinated people thinking they have any right to say what we should do.
Surely, it should just be a case of you had yours, and protected, that should be it?
It's not for me, but I'm taking someone for their booster next week, it's their decision, I won't say one word to them about their choice. [Post edited 19 Dec 2021 20:34]
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The very holier than though people in their ivory towers pouring scorn on the unvaccinated. When in reality the only reason they got vaccinated in the first place was so they could get away to their European holibobs. Talk to anyone, that was the truth of the matter. | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 20:54 - Dec 19 with 886 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 20:42 - Dec 19 by felixstowe_jack |
I mean no disrespect by this, but I 'm really fed up of the unvaccinated people thinking they have the right to say what we should do.
The unvaccinated are catching and spreading the virus in disproportionate numbers. Lockdown and restrictions will continue as long as think only of themselves. |
Well, not on this forum.
The unvaccinated on here don't tell you should do anything, other than to stop repeating lies. | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 20:56 - Dec 19 with 882 views | Jack123 |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 20:46 - Dec 19 by GoldenBear |
The very holier than though people in their ivory towers pouring scorn on the unvaccinated. When in reality the only reason they got vaccinated in the first place was so they could get away to their European holibobs. Talk to anyone, that was the truth of the matter. |
Yes, certain people who were laughing and saying , I'll be going to nightclubs.
Well no you won't, because the Emperor has shut them down again.
Personally, I sense a good heart in most of the comments regarding unvaccinated, but like I said earlier, my opinion is leave people to do, what they will do.
I'll be over the bay this week, taking someone there, I am concerned for their choice, but I won't say anything at all. | |
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| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 20:59 - Dec 19 with 873 views | Catullus |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 19:01 - Dec 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
This is not just the MSM or the DM with some story, this is an article written by a professor.
If you can't see the difference that is OK. |
What this is, is you being a hypocrite. You dismiss the MSM when you disagree with it, even when it's a doctor/professor/expert.
You have dismissed the Professor on here because you disagree with him and of the two of you, he knows what he's talking about.
When it suits you, you'll accept any source, even "Iambatshitcrazy.com" | |
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| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 21:01 - Dec 19 with 869 views | Jack123 |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 20:42 - Dec 19 by felixstowe_jack |
I mean no disrespect by this, but I 'm really fed up of the unvaccinated people thinking they have the right to say what we should do.
The unvaccinated are catching and spreading the virus in disproportionate numbers. Lockdown and restrictions will continue as long as think only of themselves. |
I have never told anyone what to do, like I said. It is 'THEIR' choice. | |
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