| Britain is overreacting to Omicron 19:25 - Dec 15 with 11861 views | 73__73 |
DR Angelique Coetzee. No doubt the vaccination and lockdown zealots will call her a nutter etc. |  |
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| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 07:32 - Dec 24 with 1427 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 06:36 - Dec 24 by 73__73 |
Once again I’ve been proven correct - Britain is overreacting.
Drakeford will push more people in wales into poverty with his ridiculous policies, make you think is that his aim in the first place, make more people reliant on the state. |
Think you will find Drakeford, Nicola are overacting meanwhile in England they are looking at the scientific evidence first. The have even cut the isolation period from 10 to 7 days if you have a negative lateral flow tests on day 6 and 7. | |
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| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 08:06 - Dec 24 with 1390 views | Whiterockin |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 07:32 - Dec 24 by felixstowe_jack |
Think you will find Drakeford, Nicola are overacting meanwhile in England they are looking at the scientific evidence first. The have even cut the isolation period from 10 to 7 days if you have a negative lateral flow tests on day 6 and 7. |
If scientific evidence is being listened too, why has the isolation period been cut to 7 days in England and kept at 10 days in Wales. Peoples lives and businesses are at stake here. How can the scientific evidence differ from one region to another, or are they adjusting the evidence to suit their political agender. Possibly nobody has a clue what to do for the best. |  | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 08:12 - Dec 24 with 1383 views | pencoedjack |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 06:36 - Dec 24 by 73__73 |
Once again I’ve been proven correct - Britain is overreacting.
Drakeford will push more people in wales into poverty with his ridiculous policies, make you think is that his aim in the first place, make more people reliant on the state. |
Drakeford doesn’t need a pandemic to push more people into poverty, his lack of forward thinking on infrastructure to attract business to Wales being a prime example.
But the people of Wales continue to vote for him. |  | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 10:09 - Dec 24 with 1318 views | Scotia |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 08:12 - Dec 24 by pencoedjack |
Drakeford doesn’t need a pandemic to push more people into poverty, his lack of forward thinking on infrastructure to attract business to Wales being a prime example.
But the people of Wales continue to vote for him. |
He made his move before considering all of the evidence.
It's a big call whether to put restrictions in place or not based on what we knew a week ago, but now it seems that the restrictions in Wales may be over the top. If the omicron peak has indeed passed in London without too much bother then we know what is to come.
Will he now roll back some of the restictions? Of course not, he's be admitting he made a bad call.
Meanwhile I can sit in a pub crammed full of tables of 6 people but 51 people spread around a rugby pitch can't watch Pontyberem RFC play on boxing day. Brilliant. | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 10:11 - Dec 24 with 1305 views | Whiterockin |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 10:09 - Dec 24 by Scotia |
He made his move before considering all of the evidence.
It's a big call whether to put restrictions in place or not based on what we knew a week ago, but now it seems that the restrictions in Wales may be over the top. If the omicron peak has indeed passed in London without too much bother then we know what is to come.
Will he now roll back some of the restictions? Of course not, he's be admitting he made a bad call.
Meanwhile I can sit in a pub crammed full of tables of 6 people but 51 people spread around a rugby pitch can't watch Pontyberem RFC play on boxing day. Brilliant. |
And lets be honest if you are 18 you can book 3 tables of six when you go inside the pub/restaurant and still comply with the rules. | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 11:03 - Dec 24 with 1272 views | max936 |
Had my result this morning, its positive but they've not said what strain it is, I asked when IO had my test and they said that I would be told, rung 119 earlier and they couldn't tell me, bloody hopeless. |  | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 11:46 - Dec 24 with 1223 views | Scotia |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 11:03 - Dec 24 by max936 |
Had my result this morning, its positive but they've not said what strain it is, I asked when IO had my test and they said that I would be told, rung 119 earlier and they couldn't tell me, bloody hopeless. |
All the best Max. Sounds as if you caught just before the booster could take effect.
Thet only sequnce about 30% of tests to know what variant it is, they may not know.
Hope you're better soon. | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 12:26 - Dec 24 with 1191 views | angryjack |
76%. Of people in hospital with xovid in Wales have been double jabbed and 16% not been jabbed,,that tells you vaccinations a load crap... its on wales online | | | |
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| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 12:37 - Dec 24 with 1181 views | Gwyn737 |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 12:26 - Dec 24 by angryjack |
76%. Of people in hospital with xovid in Wales have been double jabbed and 16% not been jabbed,,that tells you vaccinations a load crap... its on wales online |
Yep. And here’s the key point in the subheading of the article:
“ The data clearly demonstrates that people are far more likely to end up in hospital should they be unvaccinated”
It’s really, really basic maths. | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 14:18 - Dec 24 with 1105 views | Catullus |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 12:26 - Dec 24 by angryjack |
76%. Of people in hospital with xovid in Wales have been double jabbed and 16% not been jabbed,,that tells you vaccinations a load crap... its on wales online |
And if you'd read the whole story, it would tell you the numbers say the unvaccinated are far more likely to end up in hospital,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
Go on, read it all. | |
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| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 14:22 - Dec 24 with 1091 views | Catullus |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 10:09 - Dec 24 by Scotia |
He made his move before considering all of the evidence.
It's a big call whether to put restrictions in place or not based on what we knew a week ago, but now it seems that the restrictions in Wales may be over the top. If the omicron peak has indeed passed in London without too much bother then we know what is to come.
Will he now roll back some of the restictions? Of course not, he's be admitting he made a bad call.
Meanwhile I can sit in a pub crammed full of tables of 6 people but 51 people spread around a rugby pitch can't watch Pontyberem RFC play on boxing day. Brilliant. |
A lot of us felt Wales was over reacting. A lot of what was said showed that Omicron is less dangerous than Delta.
PS, they changed the rules so local teams could have spectators, up to 50 I think. | |
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| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 14:28 - Dec 24 with 1083 views | controversial_jack |
6,700 new cases in Wales today and 10 deaths. I dread what the Uks figures will be. I certainly don't think there's an overreaction | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 14:31 - Dec 24 with 1067 views | Whiterockin |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 14:28 - Dec 24 by controversial_jack |
6,700 new cases in Wales today and 10 deaths. I dread what the Uks figures will be. I certainly don't think there's an overreaction |
I doubt very much that those deaths are related to Omicron, the strain has not been in Wales long enough. | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 14:56 - Dec 24 with 1020 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 12:37 - Dec 24 by Gwyn737 |
Yep. And here’s the key point in the subheading of the article:
“ The data clearly demonstrates that people are far more likely to end up in hospital should they be unvaccinated”
It’s really, really basic maths. |
So, explain these "basic maths" to us please.
Because according to this Welsh NHS website which that Mail online data was taken from here
https://www2.nphs.wales.nhs.uk
Which is the latest data that I can find, perhaps there is later data elsewhere?
But what it shows is that when this data was reported 02/12/2021 they showed
Welsh Unvaccinated = 18.6% of the population
Welsh Vaccinated = 81.4% of the population
Welsh Unvaccinated in hospital = 16.5%
Welsh Vaccinated in hospital = 79.6%
Unknown status in hospital = 3.9%
There is a major difference between admitted to hospital, they rates they showed and actually staying in hospital.
Even the website I linked to is being deceitful because that table 4. showing those in hospital did not show the rates per 100,000 and this is why.
Unvaccinated = 17.36245081
Vaccinated = 19.07016013
Massive difference of 0.024570025 | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 15:15 - Dec 24 with 1000 views | Gwyn737 |
Are you more likely to be hospitalised if vaccinated or unvaccinated? | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 17:00 - Dec 24 with 963 views | max936 |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 07:32 - Dec 24 by felixstowe_jack |
Think you will find Drakeford, Nicola are overacting meanwhile in England they are looking at the scientific evidence first. The have even cut the isolation period from 10 to 7 days if you have a negative lateral flow tests on day 6 and 7. |
Is that across the board [all variants]?
I'm stuck in bedroom been here since Tuesday night, I'm bored ridged | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 17:24 - Dec 24 with 942 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 15:15 - Dec 24 by Gwyn737 |
Are you more likely to be hospitalised if vaccinated or unvaccinated? |
You don't do numbers do you?
The Welsh data shows that there is little difference in actual hospitalizastion rates where a stay in hospital is required. | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 17:41 - Dec 24 with 932 views | Gwyn737 |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 17:24 - Dec 24 by A_Fans_Dad |
You don't do numbers do you?
The Welsh data shows that there is little difference in actual hospitalizastion rates where a stay in hospital is required. |
I’m looking at the Uk figures.
I try not to select a subset to suit an argument.
Edit: if you don’t want to listen to me, perhaps you’ll listen to this chap.
[Post edited 24 Dec 2021 17:48]
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| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 17:55 - Dec 24 with 919 views | max936 |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 15:15 - Dec 24 by Gwyn737 |
Are you more likely to be hospitalised if vaccinated or unvaccinated? |
The probability is the ones unvaccinated are likely to be a lot younger than ones vaccinated, that no doubt hasn't been taken into consideration, when data has been compiled. | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 17:58 - Dec 24 with 918 views | controversial_jack |
For those fully vaccinated with AstraZeneca's vaccine, booster effectiveness dropped from 60% to 35% with a Pfizer booster and to 45% with a Moderna booster after 10 weeks, the UKHSA
I will need another shot in feb. Not sure there's much point, especially if Omicron is confirmed as being mild | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 18:22 - Dec 24 with 908 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 17:41 - Dec 24 by Gwyn737 |
I’m looking at the Uk figures.
I try not to select a subset to suit an argument.
Edit: if you don’t want to listen to me, perhaps you’ll listen to this chap.
[Post edited 24 Dec 2021 17:48]
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Why do you introduce UK stats when the discussion is about a WOL article on Wales? | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 18:35 - Dec 24 with 898 views | Gwyn737 |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 18:22 - Dec 24 by A_Fans_Dad |
Why do you introduce UK stats when the discussion is about a WOL article on Wales? |
Because the larger the sample the more accurate the data.
Trump seems to agree the case in the US too. Or has he been taken in? | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 19:16 - Dec 24 with 870 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 18:35 - Dec 24 by Gwyn737 |
Because the larger the sample the more accurate the data.
Trump seems to agree the case in the US too. Or has he been taken in? |
His massive ego will not allow him to accept that he was completely fooled by the CDC/FDA and the vaccine manufacturers.
He cannot even admit to the severe adverse events shown in the VAERs system. | | | |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 19:20 - Dec 24 with 860 views | Gwyn737 |
| Britain is overreacting to Omicron on 19:16 - Dec 24 by A_Fans_Dad |
His massive ego will not allow him to accept that he was completely fooled by the CDC/FDA and the vaccine manufacturers.
He cannot even admit to the severe adverse events shown in the VAERs system. |
Thank goodness you’re here to see though it all. | | | |
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