| Looking at Steveo Cooper 17:54 - Jan 9 with 3994 views | onehunglow |
Seems far more vocal and animated.
Standing up,no hands in anorak and shouting.
If only ... |  |
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| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 13:15 - Jan 10 with 469 views | Bobblehat |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 13:03 - Jan 10 by vetchonian |
YOu know that for certain do you?
You were present in the interview?
Potter and MArtin had more money as 1 in Potters season we had parachute money and were able to offload Ayew on loan,as well as Borja
Ayew came back and no one else wanted him so the club were stuck with his massive wage bill tieing up lots of cash!
Mind you I suspect if Ayew were still here MArtin would probably be playing him as a right back! |
In the words of the Dr himself………..’ Do I have to? It’s common sense.’ | | | |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 13:18 - Jan 10 with 450 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 12:55 - Jan 10 by Bobblehat |
Common sense tells you Steve Copper went in to the interview saying I don’t need much money I’ve got player’s out of the clubs price range but I can get them on loan.
That explains all his loan signing and why Potter and Martin had more money. ðŸ‘🻠|
It doesn’t tell me that at all. You just made it up because your original point would look silly without making such a story up…
It’s pretty obvious we had very little money because I can read accounts. A simple fact. |  |
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| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 13:21 - Jan 10 with 449 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 13:07 - Jan 10 by Badlands |
In what way did he blow it?
Really!
In the semis at Brentford we were in the driving seat and we capitulated.
Wembley, we didn’t even show up. I have never been so embarrassed for our team.
He plays boring football and hopes, hopes, to nick a goal.
I suggest fans who love this guy start supporting Forest. |
Yes, really.
What do you mean we were in the driving seat? We lost to the better team, nothing to do with capitulating.
We played them 6 times and beat them once in those two years, half of those times they beat us by at least 2 goals.
You are on another planet.
I suggest fans who constantly make things up and change reality get a new hobby… | |
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| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 13:38 - Jan 10 with 431 views | vetchonian |
SO what is fictitious about those facts?
DO you deny ROutledge and Dyer were in their mid thirties and close to retirement?
Were Geuhi and Gallcher seasond profesionals?
Remeber Geuhi was much criticised by many and didnt shine until cooper switxhed to a back 3/5 after the first COvid lockdown
Again selective memory....and of course Gallacher didnt arrive until after January | |
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| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 13:38 - Jan 10 with 431 views | Bobblehat |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 08:15 - Jan 10 by vetchonian |
Like Cooper Martin is in his third season as a league manager what are his achievements compared to Cooper over the same period |
Steve Cooper has been learning his managerial skills since 1998 yes it was with youth but he was still learning his trade. Russell Martin is 2 1/2 years in to it with no experience at any level. | | | |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 13:45 - Jan 10 with 424 views | Bobblehat |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 13:38 - Jan 10 by vetchonian |
SO what is fictitious about those facts?
DO you deny ROutledge and Dyer were in their mid thirties and close to retirement?
Were Geuhi and Gallcher seasond profesionals?
Remeber Geuhi was much criticised by many and didnt shine until cooper switxhed to a back 3/5 after the first COvid lockdown
Again selective memory....and of course Gallacher didnt arrive until after January |
But the Dr calls Rhys Williams and Ethan Laird………….’ELITE LOANS’
Ethan Laird played 24 league 1 games before coming here and Williams 9 premier league game.
How do that make them elite? Yet Gallagher played 26 games for a championship team yet he said he had no experience.🤔😆 | | | |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 13:48 - Jan 10 with 420 views | vetchonian |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 13:38 - Jan 10 by Bobblehat |
Steve Cooper has been learning his managerial skills since 1998 yes it was with youth but he was still learning his trade. Russell Martin is 2 1/2 years in to it with no experience at any level. |
And doesnt it show!
Failed to make any tactical changes on Saturday after the sending off
Why he didnt pull the ineffective Smith and bring on Ntcham going 3 -5-2
playing a back three of Bennet Naughtion and Cooper
with Manning and Ntcham wide Walsh central with DOwnes behind and in front of the back 3 and CUllen playing 10 behind Proe and Obafami upfront.
Southampton did the right thing and defaulted to a 4-4-1 using Shane Long as full back
Martin did nothing to exploit this and then put Downes to centre back
He had loads of options but chose to stick to his gameplan | |
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| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 13:50 - Jan 10 with 416 views | GruffStephens |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 13:48 - Jan 10 by vetchonian |
And doesnt it show!
Failed to make any tactical changes on Saturday after the sending off
Why he didnt pull the ineffective Smith and bring on Ntcham going 3 -5-2
playing a back three of Bennet Naughtion and Cooper
with Manning and Ntcham wide Walsh central with DOwnes behind and in front of the back 3 and CUllen playing 10 behind Proe and Obafami upfront.
Southampton did the right thing and defaulted to a 4-4-1 using Shane Long as full back
Martin did nothing to exploit this and then put Downes to centre back
He had loads of options but chose to stick to his gameplan |
Keith covered quite a few reports on cooper way back. Here’s one, he also wrote a very decent biographical account on Cooper. But I can’t find it.
 When Steve Cooper and Lee Trundle went head to head as fierce rivals 25th Jan 2021 07:07It was more than twenty years ago, the dominant force of Welsh league football were Bangor City, the pretenders were the Lillywhites and fierce rivals Rhyl. On one side was Steve Cooper a young footballer of some repute in the league of wales, on the other was non league journeyman Lee Trundle. Let’s have a look at how things turned out.  1
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| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 13:52 - Jan 10 with 410 views | Bobblehat |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 13:48 - Jan 10 by vetchonian |
And doesnt it show!
Failed to make any tactical changes on Saturday after the sending off
Why he didnt pull the ineffective Smith and bring on Ntcham going 3 -5-2
playing a back three of Bennet Naughtion and Cooper
with Manning and Ntcham wide Walsh central with DOwnes behind and in front of the back 3 and CUllen playing 10 behind Proe and Obafami upfront.
Southampton did the right thing and defaulted to a 4-4-1 using Shane Long as full back
Martin did nothing to exploit this and then put Downes to centre back
He had loads of options but chose to stick to his gameplan |
Yeah Russell Martin told Walsh to play a Southampton player in and he also told Bennett to try and play offside in Southamptons half. Ffs.
Yes I agree he needs to sort the defence out but individual errors are a massive problem. | | | |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 13:55 - Jan 10 with 406 views | vetchonian |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 13:45 - Jan 10 by Bobblehat |
But the Dr calls Rhys Williams and Ethan Laird………….’ELITE LOANS’
Ethan Laird played 24 league 1 games before coming here and Williams 9 premier league game.
How do that make them elite? Yet Gallagher played 26 games for a championship team yet he said he had no experience.🤔😆 |
they are "elite" loans in the same way as you describe Coopers U17s, they come form a PL pedigree and will come with a "hefty" cost
YOu omit Rhys Williams 6 European outings in the Champions league
The point the good Doc was trying to make is that MArtin has been able to spend £5M plus have "elite" loans....did Cooper have that same luxury...you say no as he supposedly told Birch he needed no funds in his interview | |
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| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:00 - Jan 10 with 400 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 13:45 - Jan 10 by Bobblehat |
But the Dr calls Rhys Williams and Ethan Laird………….’ELITE LOANS’
Ethan Laird played 24 league 1 games before coming here and Williams 9 premier league game.
How do that make them elite? Yet Gallagher played 26 games for a championship team yet he said he had no experience.🤔😆 |
They are elite loans, one is from Man Utd and the other is from Liverpool. The latter starting for Liverpool fairly regularly towards the tail end of last season in the Premier League. He started their last 5 games of the season and started 4 games in the Champions League.
Gallagher, Woodman and Guehi barely had any top level minutes to rub together before joining us. Yet there are labelled “elite” loans.
But of course they are only elite because they turned out that way with good coaching. Guehi had to battle to get in the side and when he did many fans wanted to send him packing. Gallagher also was criticised and Woodman slated.
So if they are elite loans, Williams is a comparative superstar. [Post edited 10 Jan 2022 14:04]
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| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:00 - Jan 10 with 401 views | vetchonian |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 13:52 - Jan 10 by Bobblehat |
Yeah Russell Martin told Walsh to play a Southampton player in and he also told Bennett to try and play offside in Southamptons half. Ffs.
Yes I agree he needs to sort the defence out but individual errors are a massive problem. |
Martin didnt tell Walsh to play a SOuthampton player in but the tactics and playing style he is coaching and demanding will often give rise to it happeneing...like it did against Reading when Naughton passed the ball back in field rather than kick it into touch...the insticitve thinkg in the situation but no Russy says we must keep possesion | |
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| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:03 - Jan 10 with 399 views | Bobblehat |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 13:55 - Jan 10 by vetchonian |
they are "elite" loans in the same way as you describe Coopers U17s, they come form a PL pedigree and will come with a "hefty" cost
YOu omit Rhys Williams 6 European outings in the Champions league
The point the good Doc was trying to make is that MArtin has been able to spend £5M plus have "elite" loans....did Cooper have that same luxury...you say no as he supposedly told Birch he needed no funds in his interview |
Did you ever watch Williams play for Liverpool? He was awful then and he’s awful now.
Only difference being with Liverpool was he had world class players around him.
And I was being sarcastic about Coopers interview. Ffs🤦ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸ | | | |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:06 - Jan 10 with 395 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:03 - Jan 10 by Bobblehat |
Did you ever watch Williams play for Liverpool? He was awful then and he’s awful now.
Only difference being with Liverpool was he had world class players around him.
And I was being sarcastic about Coopers interview. Ffs🤦ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸ |
I think your bobble hat is too tight maybe?
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| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:07 - Jan 10 with 392 views | Bobblehat |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:00 - Jan 10 by Dr_Parnassus |
They are elite loans, one is from Man Utd and the other is from Liverpool. The latter starting for Liverpool fairly regularly towards the tail end of last season in the Premier League. He started their last 5 games of the season and started 4 games in the Champions League.
Gallagher, Woodman and Guehi barely had any top level minutes to rub together before joining us. Yet there are labelled “elite” loans.
But of course they are only elite because they turned out that way with good coaching. Guehi had to battle to get in the side and when he did many fans wanted to send him packing. Gallagher also was criticised and Woodman slated.
So if they are elite loans, Williams is a comparative superstar. [Post edited 10 Jan 2022 14:04]
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Borja Bastón Came from Atlético Madrid did that make him an elite player?
Just because a player has come from Liverpool, United, Chelsea doesn’t make them automatically an elite player. 🤦ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸
And as I mentioned Williams was awful for Liverpool but he was surrounded by world class players. | | | |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:07 - Jan 10 with 391 views | Dr_Parnassus |
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| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:08 - Jan 10 with 389 views | vetchonian |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:06 - Jan 10 by Dr_Parnassus |
I think your bobble hat is too tight maybe?
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or down over his eyes! | |
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| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:09 - Jan 10 with 389 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:07 - Jan 10 by Bobblehat |
Borja Bastón Came from Atlético Madrid did that make him an elite player?
Just because a player has come from Liverpool, United, Chelsea doesn’t make them automatically an elite player. 🤦ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸
And as I mentioned Williams was awful for Liverpool but he was surrounded by world class players. |
Yes he was an elite signing for us. £16m from Atletico with La Liga experience.
If Guehi was an elite loan when he came then Williams is a superstar, simple as that. | |
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| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:11 - Jan 10 with 385 views | Bobblehat |
He played 9 games for Liverpool not just 1 against Spurs. Ffs🤦ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸ His manager praised him for 1 game now he’s elite!😆 | | | |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:11 - Jan 10 with 383 views | Dr_Parnassus |
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| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:13 - Jan 10 with 382 views | Bobblehat |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:09 - Jan 10 by Dr_Parnassus |
Yes he was an elite signing for us. £16m from Atletico with La Liga experience.
If Guehi was an elite loan when he came then Williams is a superstar, simple as that. |
I’m not asking if he was an elite signing I’m asking if he was an elite player like you called Laird and Williams just because they came from United and Liverpool.
So was Borja an elite player like you called Laird and Williams? | | | |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:13 - Jan 10 with 380 views | Dr_Parnassus |
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| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:15 - Jan 10 with 378 views | Catullus |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:00 - Jan 10 by vetchonian |
Martin didnt tell Walsh to play a SOuthampton player in but the tactics and playing style he is coaching and demanding will often give rise to it happeneing...like it did against Reading when Naughton passed the ball back in field rather than kick it into touch...the insticitve thinkg in the situation but no Russy says we must keep possesion |
Keeping possession at all costs is costing us dear. The refusal to be pragmatic is killing us. I have already deferred to Dr P on that, Martin has to change his approach to suit more the players we have.
Short of Martin taking over Man City, he may never have the players to play his way. We certainly haven't, that much should be clear to everyone. Martin might still get it right but only if he adjusts his thinking.
That is my honest opinion, having first given him time and support. | |
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| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:16 - Jan 10 with 374 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:13 - Jan 10 by Bobblehat |
I’m not asking if he was an elite signing I’m asking if he was an elite player like you called Laird and Williams just because they came from United and Liverpool.
So was Borja an elite player like you called Laird and Williams? |
I answered you.
If Guehi and Gallagher were elite loans as they have been labelled, then so are Laird and Williams, Williams is a comparative superstar.
Can’t say it any more times.
So either none of these loans were elite as claimed… or they all are. Can’t pick and choose based on convenience I’m afraid. | |
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| Looking at Steveo Cooper on 14:17 - Jan 10 with 372 views | Bobblehat |
Klopp isn’t going to come out and say the titanic turns quicker and he’s slower than a 2 legged dog🙋ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸ | | | |
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