| Energy Prices 06:56 - Feb 4 with 9902 views | jojaca |
Mine is up for renewal, just browsing on the Martin Lewis website and the cheapest is £290 a month for fix rate, my jaw has hit the floor. My wages only went up up £20 a month last year and my gas and electric has basically doubled from around £140 a month. This will be proper rejig to finances just to make ends meet. |  |
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| Energy Prices on 20:16 - Feb 6 with 1604 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Energy Prices on 18:45 - Feb 6 by majorraglan |
We need to go Green, but it needs to be done in a balanced and measured approach. We are emerging more use of electric cars etc and we barely generate enough electric to keep the lights on. |
Of course we do.
Floods, storms, and winds all cost.
Staying as we are is not an option.
Spend money repairing floods, or spend money investing in the inevitable green future.
Its a no brainer. |  |
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| Energy Prices on 20:52 - Feb 6 with 1569 views | Catullus |
| Energy Prices on 17:56 - Feb 6 by felixstowe_jack |
Very difficult to get up todate figures in Europe for electricity as most figures are late 2021.
Suffice to say rising throughout Europe. France which used to be a net exporters of electricity is now having to import it in an attempt to cut down on generating it from Gas.
The Nordic countries have cheaper prices as a higher % of their electricity is generated from hydroelectric. That is one area tye UK could improve on given the amount of rain we get. Most of our reservoirs do not generate any power even when supplying water for homes and industry. Often when the reservoirs are fu the water just flows over the top of the dams. |
It makes no sense to me, reservoirs should have turbines built into the overflow system as well as into the main release system. We could be generating regularly. Given all this country's rainfall, it's ridiculous we aren't investing in hydro. |  |
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| Energy Prices on 11:51 - Feb 7 with 1521 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Energy Prices on 20:52 - Feb 6 by Catullus |
It makes no sense to me, reservoirs should have turbines built into the overflow system as well as into the main release system. We could be generating regularly. Given all this country's rainfall, it's ridiculous we aren't investing in hydro. |
It appears to have escaped your notice that most of the UK's reservoirs are not in mountains, thus you have to use electricity to pump the water out of them. Wales might benefit from them but one assumes that if it was such a good idea some engineer somewhere would have carried out cost benefit studies on doing so.
Building generating dams means ruining nature by drowning valleys.
Every stream and river could also have a generator, but the cost and infrastructure for such a low output would not really be worthwhile.
It is why steam power replaced water power for most industries, higher consistent output. | | | |
| Energy Prices on 14:27 - Feb 7 with 1494 views | krunchykarrot |
| Energy Prices on 11:51 - Feb 7 by A_Fans_Dad |
It appears to have escaped your notice that most of the UK's reservoirs are not in mountains, thus you have to use electricity to pump the water out of them. Wales might benefit from them but one assumes that if it was such a good idea some engineer somewhere would have carried out cost benefit studies on doing so.
Building generating dams means ruining nature by drowning valleys.
Every stream and river could also have a generator, but the cost and infrastructure for such a low output would not really be worthwhile.
It is why steam power replaced water power for most industries, higher consistent output. |
We need to go nuclear, Rolls Royce to rescue us. |  | | |
| Energy Prices on 16:32 - Feb 7 with 1456 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Energy Prices on 11:51 - Feb 7 by A_Fans_Dad |
It appears to have escaped your notice that most of the UK's reservoirs are not in mountains, thus you have to use electricity to pump the water out of them. Wales might benefit from them but one assumes that if it was such a good idea some engineer somewhere would have carried out cost benefit studies on doing so.
Building generating dams means ruining nature by drowning valleys.
Every stream and river could also have a generator, but the cost and infrastructure for such a low output would not really be worthwhile.
It is why steam power replaced water power for most industries, higher consistent output. |
Is that why most of the reservoirs in Wales are built at the top of valleys. Elan valley and Llyn Brianne are two that come to mind. The Llyn Briane was completed in 1970 and has a height of 91 metres and in 1996 the height of the overflow was increased by 1 metre and a hydro electric station was built at the bases. It now has 3 turbines and can generate 4.6 megawatts of electricity.
When most of the reservoirs were built coal fired electricity was so cheap no thought was given to hydroelectric generations. Clearly is is now viable as can be seen with the upgrade to Llyn Brianne.
The Eland Valley damp is 56 metres high and was built in 1896. IIt feeds Birmingham via a gravity fed aqueduct . No pumping is needed because the dam is 50 metres higher than Birmingham and flows 73 miles.
Lake Vyrnwy circa 1888 and Claerwen circa 1952 are also supply Liverpool and Birmingham respectively both by Gravity.
The UK has four major hydroelectric dams and two pump storage schemes. | |
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| Energy Prices on 18:38 - Feb 7 with 1433 views | jack_lord |
| Energy Prices on 16:32 - Feb 7 by felixstowe_jack |
Is that why most of the reservoirs in Wales are built at the top of valleys. Elan valley and Llyn Brianne are two that come to mind. The Llyn Briane was completed in 1970 and has a height of 91 metres and in 1996 the height of the overflow was increased by 1 metre and a hydro electric station was built at the bases. It now has 3 turbines and can generate 4.6 megawatts of electricity.
When most of the reservoirs were built coal fired electricity was so cheap no thought was given to hydroelectric generations. Clearly is is now viable as can be seen with the upgrade to Llyn Brianne.
The Eland Valley damp is 56 metres high and was built in 1896. IIt feeds Birmingham via a gravity fed aqueduct . No pumping is needed because the dam is 50 metres higher than Birmingham and flows 73 miles.
Lake Vyrnwy circa 1888 and Claerwen circa 1952 are also supply Liverpool and Birmingham respectively both by Gravity.
The UK has four major hydroelectric dams and two pump storage schemes. |
My dad was named after Briane before it became a Llyn.
By coincidence I drove that way today and a couple of hours later passed the three reservoirs at the foot of Pen y fan. There must be some opportunity to generate power from this source as well? |  |
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| Energy Prices on 20:50 - Feb 7 with 1400 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Energy Prices on 16:32 - Feb 7 by felixstowe_jack |
Is that why most of the reservoirs in Wales are built at the top of valleys. Elan valley and Llyn Brianne are two that come to mind. The Llyn Briane was completed in 1970 and has a height of 91 metres and in 1996 the height of the overflow was increased by 1 metre and a hydro electric station was built at the bases. It now has 3 turbines and can generate 4.6 megawatts of electricity.
When most of the reservoirs were built coal fired electricity was so cheap no thought was given to hydroelectric generations. Clearly is is now viable as can be seen with the upgrade to Llyn Brianne.
The Eland Valley damp is 56 metres high and was built in 1896. IIt feeds Birmingham via a gravity fed aqueduct . No pumping is needed because the dam is 50 metres higher than Birmingham and flows 73 miles.
Lake Vyrnwy circa 1888 and Claerwen circa 1952 are also supply Liverpool and Birmingham respectively both by Gravity.
The UK has four major hydroelectric dams and two pump storage schemes. |
Did you miss the bit about "Wales might benefit from them"?
England not so much.
Do you know how long the pumped storage can supply energy for? It is only a matter of hours.
Ffestiniog Power Station rated at 360MW was designed purely for high load top up.
It can run for a few hours.
As to Llyn Brianne, it depends on the electrical pumping station at Nantgaredig for continuous water supply.
I can't find any data on how often or how much electricity it actually generates, being rated at 4.6MW is not the same as generating it 24/7.
So any idea? | | | |
| Energy Prices on 21:11 - Feb 7 with 1382 views | majorraglan |
| Energy Prices on 20:50 - Feb 7 by A_Fans_Dad |
Did you miss the bit about "Wales might benefit from them"?
England not so much.
Do you know how long the pumped storage can supply energy for? It is only a matter of hours.
Ffestiniog Power Station rated at 360MW was designed purely for high load top up.
It can run for a few hours.
As to Llyn Brianne, it depends on the electrical pumping station at Nantgaredig for continuous water supply.
I can't find any data on how often or how much electricity it actually generates, being rated at 4.6MW is not the same as generating it 24/7.
So any idea? |
You’ve got the bit about Llyn Brianne and Nantgaredig completely wrong.
Llyn Brianne is 40 miles upstream from the Nangaredig, the dam feeds and regulates the flow in to the river Towy which runs through Nantgaredig and Carmarthen. The facility at Nantgaredig doesn’t pump water back to the dam. | | | |
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| Energy Prices on 21:27 - Feb 7 with 1375 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Energy Prices on 21:11 - Feb 7 by majorraglan |
You’ve got the bit about Llyn Brianne and Nantgaredig completely wrong.
Llyn Brianne is 40 miles upstream from the Nangaredig, the dam feeds and regulates the flow in to the river Towy which runs through Nantgaredig and Carmarthen. The facility at Nantgaredig doesn’t pump water back to the dam. |
Sorry my mistake.  | | | |
| Energy Prices on 11:22 - Feb 8 with 1321 views | Catullus |
This net zero lark, it's an expensive undertaking for sure but it looks like governments aren't spending as much on it as it needs.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news
I would love to see the UK figures for how much we pay in green taxes and how much is invested in new green tech. I'd bet there is a large disparity. | |
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| Energy Prices on 14:07 - Feb 8 with 1307 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Energy Prices on 11:22 - Feb 8 by Catullus |
This net zero lark, it's an expensive undertaking for sure but it looks like governments aren't spending as much on it as it needs.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news
I would love to see the UK figures for how much we pay in green taxes and how much is invested in new green tech. I'd bet there is a large disparity. |
"I would love to see the UK figures for how much we pay in green taxes and how much is invested in new green tech. I'd bet there is a large disparity. "
There is almost no government investment in green technology.
The green taxes go directly to the Wind and Solar production owners in various subsidies.
They say there is a few million for SMRs which is drop in the ocean.
I am not sure what they do with the Carbon Tax that they charge the fossil fuel energy companies to make FF more expensive to make "green" look cheaper. | | | |
| Energy Prices on 14:40 - Feb 8 with 1302 views | krunchykarrot |
So to recap we are going to sell our water to the English after it produces enough power to run our electric cars and pay for all infrastructure in a indie Wales. People are deluded. | | | |
| Energy Prices on 19:10 - Feb 8 with 1266 views | Catullus |
| Energy Prices on 14:40 - Feb 8 by krunchykarrot |
So to recap we are going to sell our water to the English after it produces enough power to run our electric cars and pay for all infrastructure in a indie Wales. People are deluded. |
Who said any of that? What did I miss? | |
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| Energy Prices on 22:36 - Feb 8 with 1228 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Energy Prices on 20:50 - Feb 7 by A_Fans_Dad |
Did you miss the bit about "Wales might benefit from them"?
England not so much.
Do you know how long the pumped storage can supply energy for? It is only a matter of hours.
Ffestiniog Power Station rated at 360MW was designed purely for high load top up.
It can run for a few hours.
As to Llyn Brianne, it depends on the electrical pumping station at Nantgaredig for continuous water supply.
I can't find any data on how often or how much electricity it actually generates, being rated at 4.6MW is not the same as generating it 24/7.
So any idea? |
Last year hydroelectric provided 1.2% of the UK electricity
Pump storage provided 0.7% of UK electricity. Pump storage uses cheaper electricity either from Nuclear or wind when prices are low and generates when demand and prices are high.
There is scope to increase hydroelectric power but most of the best sites are in Scotland. No doubt the SNP, greens and environmentalist would object to building dams and flooding their valleys to supply the nasty English. | |
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| Energy Prices on 21:58 - Feb 9 with 1168 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Energy Prices on 22:36 - Feb 8 by felixstowe_jack |
Last year hydroelectric provided 1.2% of the UK electricity
Pump storage provided 0.7% of UK electricity. Pump storage uses cheaper electricity either from Nuclear or wind when prices are low and generates when demand and prices are high.
There is scope to increase hydroelectric power but most of the best sites are in Scotland. No doubt the SNP, greens and environmentalist would object to building dams and flooding their valleys to supply the nasty English. |
Increase it by a factor of ten with all that entails in destroyed eco structure and you are still only contributing 12%, hardly worth the costs involved. | | | |
| Energy Prices on 14:24 - Feb 10 with 1127 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Energy Prices on 21:58 - Feb 9 by A_Fans_Dad |
Increase it by a factor of ten with all that entails in destroyed eco structure and you are still only contributing 12%, hardly worth the costs involved. |
Just carry on burning gas, coal and oil we have plenty in the UK. | |
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| Energy Prices on 15:28 - Feb 10 with 1113 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Energy Prices on 14:24 - Feb 10 by felixstowe_jack |
Just carry on burning gas, coal and oil we have plenty in the UK. |
Yes, energy independence while we build Nuclear. | | | |
| Energy Prices on 17:01 - Feb 10 with 1102 views | controversial_jack |
We need to stop buying expensive LNG from the US and Qatar | | | |
| Energy Prices on 17:16 - Feb 10 with 1100 views | Catullus |
| Energy Prices on 21:58 - Feb 9 by A_Fans_Dad |
Increase it by a factor of ten with all that entails in destroyed eco structure and you are still only contributing 12%, hardly worth the costs involved. |
Would damming up a few valleys do any more damage than building new nuclear stations or all the tonnes of concrete used as bases for wind farms?
The way to go is a mixture of resources that wouldn't work by themselves but when combined give us enough of what we need.
The big problem with nuclear is what to do with the waste.
Better for governments to pay to put solar panels on every roof. maybe new big buildings could have wind turbines built in. How about all drainage from tall buildings is directed through a hydro turbine.
We have to accept that there will be a massive cost to build these resources but we can't keep doing what we are doing. We can't go back to coal.
The best thing that could happen to this world is we move past the concept of money. It's the sort of idealist utopia I know will never happen but we are on a road to disaster. it won't happen in my lifetime, maybe. But future generations will not thank us for the hell hole we are creating for them. | |
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| Energy Prices on 17:34 - Feb 10 with 1095 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Energy Prices on 17:16 - Feb 10 by Catullus |
Would damming up a few valleys do any more damage than building new nuclear stations or all the tonnes of concrete used as bases for wind farms?
The way to go is a mixture of resources that wouldn't work by themselves but when combined give us enough of what we need.
The big problem with nuclear is what to do with the waste.
Better for governments to pay to put solar panels on every roof. maybe new big buildings could have wind turbines built in. How about all drainage from tall buildings is directed through a hydro turbine.
We have to accept that there will be a massive cost to build these resources but we can't keep doing what we are doing. We can't go back to coal.
The best thing that could happen to this world is we move past the concept of money. It's the sort of idealist utopia I know will never happen but we are on a road to disaster. it won't happen in my lifetime, maybe. But future generations will not thank us for the hell hole we are creating for them. |
Ask the wildlife, animals and or people living in the valleys.
A bit of Concrete for a nuclear, gas or coal station doesn't destroy vast areas.
I suggest you google "footprints" of electrical generation.
Why you have this desire for ever more short term intermittent energy production instead of baseload is beyond me. | | | |
| Energy Prices on 20:09 - Feb 11 with 1007 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Energy Prices on 17:34 - Feb 10 by A_Fans_Dad |
Ask the wildlife, animals and or people living in the valleys.
A bit of Concrete for a nuclear, gas or coal station doesn't destroy vast areas.
I suggest you google "footprints" of electrical generation.
Why you have this desire for ever more short term intermittent energy production instead of baseload is beyond me. |
More good news approval has been given for two more huge wind farms of the Norfolk coast which will have a capacity of nearly 4GW. A report published in the summer states that electricity from Solar and Wind is between 30 to 50% than electricity generated from Gas. This was before the huge increase in the global gas price. Can only be good for the UK economy if cheaper electricity can be produced with Gas power stations kept in reserve for the less windy days. | |
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| Energy Prices on 20:18 - Feb 11 with 1001 views | majorraglan |
| Energy Prices on 20:09 - Feb 11 by felixstowe_jack |
More good news approval has been given for two more huge wind farms of the Norfolk coast which will have a capacity of nearly 4GW. A report published in the summer states that electricity from Solar and Wind is between 30 to 50% than electricity generated from Gas. This was before the huge increase in the global gas price. Can only be good for the UK economy if cheaper electricity can be produced with Gas power stations kept in reserve for the less windy days. |
Totally agree, we just need to make sure we have facilities to store it.
There’s going to be a huge demand for electricity going forward and we need to make sure the National Grid is capable of delivering the increased requirement, not sure they are to be honest. | | | |
| Energy Prices on 20:31 - Feb 11 with 998 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Energy Prices on 20:18 - Feb 11 by majorraglan |
Totally agree, we just need to make sure we have facilities to store it.
There’s going to be a huge demand for electricity going forward and we need to make sure the National Grid is capable of delivering the increased requirement, not sure they are to be honest. |
If you think you can store enough electrical energy to cover the vagaries of Wind & Solar you need to do some research. | | | |
| Energy Prices on 20:45 - Feb 11 with 989 views | majorraglan |
| Energy Prices on 20:31 - Feb 11 by A_Fans_Dad |
If you think you can store enough electrical energy to cover the vagaries of Wind & Solar you need to do some research. |
I was referring to storing the gas used to generate the power, but I wasn't explaining myself very well.  | | | |
| Energy Prices on 20:57 - Feb 11 with 985 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Energy Prices on 20:45 - Feb 11 by majorraglan |
I was referring to storing the gas used to generate the power, but I wasn't explaining myself very well. |
Sorry, I didn't realise, yes I agree we need to get back to where we were with gas storage. | | | |
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