| Angela Rayner on 11:56 - Feb 22 with 994 views | Catullus |
| Angela Rayner on 11:18 - Feb 22 by pencoedjack |
I presume you have similar thoughts on a green grocers daughter from the North of England. |
I expect the views about a Tory rising from a humble background will be somewhat different. Even bearing in mind Thatcher rose to be PM! |  |
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| Angela Rayner on 13:58 - Feb 22 with 951 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Angela Rayner on 09:54 - Feb 22 by trampie |
She has proved herself in many facets, showing an ability to learn quickly, adapt, problem solve, that is far more intelligent than remembering something from a book that might be outdated or even wrong as a lot of academic people can't think for themselves. |
It’s nepotism in the purest sense Trampie. She was an ordinary rank and file labour member who married a high ranking official in the biggest trade union in the land and suddenly found herself selected for the safest of seats that had been labour for almost a century. Ergo a job for life. Then within months of arriving at parliament she was immediately moved into various front bench roles and now up to deputy leader.
Seems like she’s split with her husband now and is now doinking another married MP who just so happened to be running the campaign to get her to deputy leader.
You can keep deluding yourself she’s got to where she is through hard work and ability if it makes you happier but everyone else knows the truth. | | | |
| Angela Rayner on 16:16 - Feb 22 with 906 views | trampie |
She apparently didn't get married until 2010, who was higher up the ladder ? |  |
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| Angela Rayner on 16:30 - Feb 22 with 893 views | onehunglow |
| Angela Rayner on 13:58 - Feb 22 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
It’s nepotism in the purest sense Trampie. She was an ordinary rank and file labour member who married a high ranking official in the biggest trade union in the land and suddenly found herself selected for the safest of seats that had been labour for almost a century. Ergo a job for life. Then within months of arriving at parliament she was immediately moved into various front bench roles and now up to deputy leader.
Seems like she’s split with her husband now and is now doinking another married MP who just so happened to be running the campaign to get her to deputy leader.
You can keep deluding yourself she’s got to where she is through hard work and ability if it makes you happier but everyone else knows the truth. |
Question is would though Flynn.
I d rather posh Tory filthy bitch types . | |
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| Angela Rayner on 18:31 - Feb 22 with 857 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Angela Rayner on 16:30 - Feb 22 by onehunglow |
Question is would though Flynn.
I d rather posh Tory filthy bitch types . |
Not even with yours | | | |
| Angela Rayner on 20:14 - Feb 22 with 837 views | onehunglow |
That Penny Mordaunt is well attractive | |
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| Angela Rayner on 21:54 - Feb 22 with 816 views | Jack_Meoff |
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| Angela Rayner on 08:28 - Feb 23 with 762 views | jack_lord |
| Angela Rayner on 11:56 - Feb 22 by Catullus |
I expect the views about a Tory rising from a humble background will be somewhat different. Even bearing in mind Thatcher rose to be PM! |
Yes, she was born to middle class parents and went to Oxford. She married a wealthy businessman and was parachuted in to stand for MP in Finchley ( a very safe Conservative seat )
She may well have been as successful if she had a awful upbringing like Raynor. Best not to confuse the two though :) |  |
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| Angela Rayner on 12:38 - Feb 23 with 738 views | Lohengrin |
| Angela Rayner on 11:50 - Feb 22 by trampie |
No Mrs Thatcher came from a privileged background her father was a business owner and mayor, Angela Rayner's background was the complete opposite. |
Her father was grocer and the family lived above the shop. That’s not exactly the breadline, but it’s not as if she was raised in Chatsworth either. Where do you set the bar for a privileged life, Tramp?
The young Margaret Roberts, as was, had Welsh roots too. That must be a difficult one for you, pal.  |  |
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| Angela Rayner on 12:58 - Feb 23 with 727 views | Lohengrin |
| Angela Rayner on 19:02 - Feb 20 by jack_lord |
A good man who believed in a system that fought against another political dogma in a period of huge inequality. He was dedicated to a marxist society though and was just one facet in what became the Labour party. |
We’ve raked over these coals umpteen times on here over the years. Yes, the Labour Party is obviously Left-leaning, but Socialist? Certainly it has always contained socialists but they only ever constituted a minority strand in the broader church of party thought. They were ever outnumbered by Social Democrats and, at inception at least, by Syndicalists.
It may well have been that Hardie is on record as regarding the Communist Manifesto as "the birth certificate of the modern Socialist movement," but he was very far from speaking for all Labour’s members and voters in that respect. It’s worth noting Michael Foot’s recollection that “for every supporter Marx attracted to Labour Robert Blatchford brought a thousand.”
Blatchford: editor of The Clarion and author of ‘Britain for the British.’ The ex-squaddie the press dubbed ‘The Tory Socialist.’
That takes us right back to where I came in on this thread in saying that working folk on these islands defy dogmatic pigeon-holing. | |
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| Angela Rayner on 13:12 - Feb 23 with 708 views | onehunglow |
| Angela Rayner on 12:58 - Feb 23 by Lohengrin |
We’ve raked over these coals umpteen times on here over the years. Yes, the Labour Party is obviously Left-leaning, but Socialist? Certainly it has always contained socialists but they only ever constituted a minority strand in the broader church of party thought. They were ever outnumbered by Social Democrats and, at inception at least, by Syndicalists.
It may well have been that Hardie is on record as regarding the Communist Manifesto as "the birth certificate of the modern Socialist movement," but he was very far from speaking for all Labour’s members and voters in that respect. It’s worth noting Michael Foot’s recollection that “for every supporter Marx attracted to Labour Robert Blatchford brought a thousand.”
Blatchford: editor of The Clarion and author of ‘Britain for the British.’ The ex-squaddie the press dubbed ‘The Tory Socialist.’
That takes us right back to where I came in on this thread in saying that working folk on these islands defy dogmatic pigeon-holing. |
Does it not make one’ esceyes bleed to see middle class seen as a pejorative
Sometimes,I think I’m the only sensible one on this island
Working class middle class. Strife has and is holding this land back from where it could be
Our parents have much to be blamed .
We can decide our own groove in life and not be stuck in a time warp | |
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| Angela Rayner on 13:12 - Feb 23 with 708 views | trampie |
| Angela Rayner on 12:38 - Feb 23 by Lohengrin |
Her father was grocer and the family lived above the shop. That’s not exactly the breadline, but it’s not as if she was raised in Chatsworth either. Where do you set the bar for a privileged life, Tramp?
The young Margaret Roberts, as was, had Welsh roots too. That must be a difficult one for you, pal. |
Hello she was born in 1925, the year her father had expanded from #1 in the street to buying out #2 and #3 he also had another shop the other side of town, seems to me that they went from middle class at the time she was born to upper middle class when she was being brought up. | |
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| Angela Rayner on 13:21 - Feb 23 with 689 views | Lohengrin |
| Angela Rayner on 13:12 - Feb 23 by trampie |
Hello she was born in 1925, the year her father had expanded from #1 in the street to buying out #2 and #3 he also had another shop the other side of town, seems to me that they went from middle class at the time she was born to upper middle class when she was being brought up. |
And they still lived above the first shop.
Getting on in life through your own initiative, your own endeavour, is something to be celebrated isn’t it? | |
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| Angela Rayner on 13:22 - Feb 23 with 688 views | onehunglow |
| Angela Rayner on 13:12 - Feb 23 by trampie |
Hello she was born in 1925, the year her father had expanded from #1 in the street to buying out #2 and #3 he also had another shop the other side of town, seems to me that they went from middle class at the time she was born to upper middle class when she was being brought up. |
Expanded .
I mean ,the bitch.
Improving their lives
Upper middle class now
Are the working class graded. Lower,middle,upper ?
How about Wayne Rooney ,in fact most footballers raised in council houses,shitholes,poverty etc.
What are their class . You want to visit these working class folk in Presbury,Hale Barns ,Bowden and see how the working class lads improved. Unimaginable wealth ,privileged to get anything they want .
You don’t get it do you ? | |
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| Angela Rayner on 13:36 - Feb 23 with 680 views | trampie |
| Angela Rayner on 13:21 - Feb 23 by Lohengrin |
And they still lived above the first shop.
Getting on in life through your own initiative, your own endeavour, is something to be celebrated isn’t it? |
Her father got on in life alright, his reputation preceded him, lots of girls apparently wouldn't work in his shop and some that did often left. | |
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| Angela Rayner on 13:42 - Feb 23 with 672 views | Lohengrin |
| Angela Rayner on 13:36 - Feb 23 by trampie |
Her father got on in life alright, his reputation preceded him, lots of girls apparently wouldn't work in his shop and some that did often left. |
What is your source for that, Tramp? | |
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| Angela Rayner on 13:51 - Feb 23 with 664 views | Catullus |
| Angela Rayner on 08:28 - Feb 23 by jack_lord |
Yes, she was born to middle class parents and went to Oxford. She married a wealthy businessman and was parachuted in to stand for MP in Finchley ( a very safe Conservative seat )
She may well have been as successful if she had a awful upbringing like Raynor. Best not to confuse the two though :) |
yes but she did that back when women had almost no chance of rising up the political ladder.
Then she went on to damage women's chances by getting rid of some and not giving others a chance! | |
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| Angela Rayner on 13:52 - Feb 23 with 663 views | trampie |
| Angela Rayner on 13:42 - Feb 23 by Lohengrin |
What is your source for that, Tramp? |
Read what Professor Bernard Crick has to say about Mrs Thatcher father. | |
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| Angela Rayner on 13:58 - Feb 23 with 657 views | jack_lord |
| Angela Rayner on 13:51 - Feb 23 by Catullus |
yes but she did that back when women had almost no chance of rising up the political ladder.
Then she went on to damage women's chances by getting rid of some and not giving others a chance! |
I always thought that was bizarre but I think it was explained somewhere she felt more threatened by them. | |
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| Angela Rayner on 13:59 - Feb 23 with 647 views | trampie |
| Angela Rayner on 13:42 - Feb 23 by Lohengrin |
What is your source for that, Tramp? |
Here is an article for you. | |
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| Angela Rayner on 14:06 - Feb 23 with 634 views | Catullus |
| Angela Rayner on 13:12 - Feb 23 by trampie |
Hello she was born in 1925, the year her father had expanded from #1 in the street to buying out #2 and #3 he also had another shop the other side of town, seems to me that they went from middle class at the time she was born to upper middle class when she was being brought up. |
So a family working hard to improve themselves and succeeding isn't a good thing in your eyes then?
What is your left wing ideology, that we should all be mired in the same poverty and misery and not bother working for our own gain?
Should the hard workers be crammed in with the lazy and feckless, should we all just give up.
All pigs are not equal, some will always be more equal than others, to paraphrase Orwell. That is because some pigs get off their derriere's and give life a go without blaming others for their problems or fearing criticism from people who seem to regard them as traitors to their class.
Class, I hate that idea. | |
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| Angela Rayner on 14:07 - Feb 23 with 634 views | jack_lord |
| Angela Rayner on 12:58 - Feb 23 by Lohengrin |
We’ve raked over these coals umpteen times on here over the years. Yes, the Labour Party is obviously Left-leaning, but Socialist? Certainly it has always contained socialists but they only ever constituted a minority strand in the broader church of party thought. They were ever outnumbered by Social Democrats and, at inception at least, by Syndicalists.
It may well have been that Hardie is on record as regarding the Communist Manifesto as "the birth certificate of the modern Socialist movement," but he was very far from speaking for all Labour’s members and voters in that respect. It’s worth noting Michael Foot’s recollection that “for every supporter Marx attracted to Labour Robert Blatchford brought a thousand.”
Blatchford: editor of The Clarion and author of ‘Britain for the British.’ The ex-squaddie the press dubbed ‘The Tory Socialist.’
That takes us right back to where I came in on this thread in saying that working folk on these islands defy dogmatic pigeon-holing. |
Yes - I think I pointed out earlier in this thread that the Labour party was mainly seen as a social democratic or democratic social party at it's inception. There was a typo in that Keir was not dedicated to Marxism.
I am a strong believer of social democracy and listened to what my elderly relatives had to say who were alive in the late 1800's. A different world and you can see how the party attracted votes back then. | |
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| Angela Rayner on 14:18 - Feb 23 with 633 views | Catullus |
| Angela Rayner on 13:36 - Feb 23 by trampie |
Her father got on in life alright, his reputation preceded him, lots of girls apparently wouldn't work in his shop and some that did often left. |
That's just casting aspersions. have you got anything to back that up?
No accusations were made during his lifetime were they? | |
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| Angela Rayner on 14:33 - Feb 23 with 622 views | trampie |
Pretty disturbing reading what the victims themselves said they went through. | |
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| Angela Rayner on 14:34 - Feb 23 with 618 views | trampie |
| Angela Rayner on 14:07 - Feb 23 by jack_lord |
Yes - I think I pointed out earlier in this thread that the Labour party was mainly seen as a social democratic or democratic social party at it's inception. There was a typo in that Keir was not dedicated to Marxism.
I am a strong believer of social democracy and listened to what my elderly relatives had to say who were alive in the late 1800's. A different world and you can see how the party attracted votes back then. |
I listened to my elderly relatives of that period also and Labour were staunch left wing and not social democratics, hence why they sing 'The Red Flag'. [Post edited 23 Feb 2022 14:50]
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