| Welsh tourism tax on 15:29 - May 22 with 855 views | BryanSwan |
| Welsh tourism tax on 14:07 - May 22 by Treforys_Jack |
I respect and somewhat admire your patriosm however not your thinly veiled xenophobia. The sennedd has been a complete disaster, you must have had such high hopes 20yrs ago, saying that Cardiff have done alright out of it I suppose and it is the capital.
Let's have a referendum I say and be done with it. |
Not that i think Labour have done particularly well in the Senedd, but they are a damn sight better than those in Westminster.
Is that referendum even worth having, im sure the last time i saw polls to do with devolution there was an overwhelming majority for retaining the same or gaining more powers for the Senedd.
Id like a referendum on Independence, but that would stand no chance if it were held today. |  |
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| Welsh tourism tax on 16:53 - May 22 with 831 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Welsh tourism tax on 15:29 - May 22 by BryanSwan |
Not that i think Labour have done particularly well in the Senedd, but they are a damn sight better than those in Westminster.
Is that referendum even worth having, im sure the last time i saw polls to do with devolution there was an overwhelming majority for retaining the same or gaining more powers for the Senedd.
Id like a referendum on Independence, but that would stand no chance if it were held today. |
Who knows, bit let's have it and abide by the result, if people want independence, so be it. I'm pretty sure it would be a resounding stay in the Union but who actually knows. |  | | |
| Welsh tourism tax on 17:01 - May 22 with 813 views | BryanSwan |
| Welsh tourism tax on 16:53 - May 22 by Treforys_Jack |
Who knows, bit let's have it and abide by the result, if people want independence, so be it. I'm pretty sure it would be a resounding stay in the Union but who actually knows. |
When the case is stronger for either there will be a vote, at the moment Labour are the status quo vote in Wales.
Any decisions here would probably come after Scotland and N.Ireland. | |
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| Welsh tourism tax on 17:36 - May 22 with 789 views | Lorax |
| Welsh tourism tax on 15:29 - May 22 by BryanSwan |
Not that i think Labour have done particularly well in the Senedd, but they are a damn sight better than those in Westminster.
Is that referendum even worth having, im sure the last time i saw polls to do with devolution there was an overwhelming majority for retaining the same or gaining more powers for the Senedd.
Id like a referendum on Independence, but that would stand no chance if it were held today. |
Polls have been badly wrong on many issues this last 10 years, they were dead wrong about Brexit to start with.
The only poll that counts, is the one that counts so lets have the vote and see what Wales really does want!
By that I mean a referendum on all of it, indy, devolution, more powers for the Senedd. lets do it and see what the people decide. | | | |
| Welsh tourism tax on 17:55 - May 22 with 785 views | BryanSwan |
| Welsh tourism tax on 17:36 - May 22 by Lorax |
Polls have been badly wrong on many issues this last 10 years, they were dead wrong about Brexit to start with.
The only poll that counts, is the one that counts so lets have the vote and see what Wales really does want!
By that I mean a referendum on all of it, indy, devolution, more powers for the Senedd. lets do it and see what the people decide. |
Leaning toward Indy Wales i wouldnt want a referendum anytime soon, i would like to wait for the fallout from current situations. (Learning from what happened with Scotlands first vote).
I would be pretty confident a referendum on Devo vs Abolish, would continue the senedd, although with the way the media and press work over here anything could happen. | |
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| Welsh tourism tax on 18:02 - May 22 with 780 views | Lorax |
| Welsh tourism tax on 17:55 - May 22 by BryanSwan |
Leaning toward Indy Wales i wouldnt want a referendum anytime soon, i would like to wait for the fallout from current situations. (Learning from what happened with Scotlands first vote).
I would be pretty confident a referendum on Devo vs Abolish, would continue the senedd, although with the way the media and press work over here anything could happen. |
We are all different. I say lets do it now but everyone has to accept the result.
When you talk about the press, in Wales we have the "Walesonline" and a more pro Senedd, pro indy outlet for Wales there is not. They have deleted comments of mine (and others) that do not breach their guidelines but are critical of the Senedd and pro UK. | | | |
| Welsh tourism tax on 18:46 - May 22 with 756 views | trampie |
| Welsh tourism tax on 15:29 - May 22 by BryanSwan |
Not that i think Labour have done particularly well in the Senedd, but they are a damn sight better than those in Westminster.
Is that referendum even worth having, im sure the last time i saw polls to do with devolution there was an overwhelming majority for retaining the same or gaining more powers for the Senedd.
Id like a referendum on Independence, but that would stand no chance if it were held today. |
Yes they are better than those in Westminster. |  |
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| Welsh tourism tax on 19:38 - May 22 with 734 views | Treforys_Jack |
Let the people decide. | | | |
| Welsh tourism tax on 21:51 - May 22 with 698 views | Flashberryjack |
| Welsh tourism tax on 17:55 - May 22 by BryanSwan |
Leaning toward Indy Wales i wouldnt want a referendum anytime soon, i would like to wait for the fallout from current situations. (Learning from what happened with Scotlands first vote).
I would be pretty confident a referendum on Devo vs Abolish, would continue the senedd, although with the way the media and press work over here anything could happen. |
And I'd be pretty confident that Wales would vote to get rid of the senedd, not that there ever will be a vote. |  |
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| Welsh tourism tax on 22:04 - May 22 with 681 views | trampie |
| Welsh tourism tax on 21:51 - May 22 by Flashberryjack |
And I'd be pretty confident that Wales would vote to get rid of the senedd, not that there ever will be a vote. |
14 years after the devolution referendum there was a referendum on giving the Senedd more powers which passed with something like a 2/3rds majority, you are entitled to your opinion but it does seem very unlikely that people would vote to get rid of the Senedd. | |
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| Welsh tourism tax on 23:37 - May 22 with 658 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh tourism tax on 21:51 - May 22 by Flashberryjack |
And I'd be pretty confident that Wales would vote to get rid of the senedd, not that there ever will be a vote. |
Abolish had 1.6% in constituencies and 3.7% in the regional votes.
So in 2021 less than 3 in 100 welsh voters voted Abolish when they had the chance.
97% voted for non Abolish parties.
Your confidence must be based on taking to your dog.
Reality says you are very wrong.
The only debate in town in Devo vs Indy. |  |
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| Welsh tourism tax on 13:21 - May 23 with 610 views | BryanSwan |
| Welsh tourism tax on 21:51 - May 22 by Flashberryjack |
And I'd be pretty confident that Wales would vote to get rid of the senedd, not that there ever will be a vote. |
If there was demand for the vote there would be one, the same for indy the demans for either is not there currently. | |
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| Welsh tourism tax on 13:56 - May 23 with 593 views | Flashberryjack |
| Welsh tourism tax on 13:21 - May 23 by BryanSwan |
If there was demand for the vote there would be one, the same for indy the demans for either is not there currently. |
We'll never have a vote on the Senedd, not as long as Drakeford has his hand on the tiller. | |
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| Welsh tourism tax on 15:26 - May 23 with 555 views | trampie |
| Welsh tourism tax on 13:56 - May 23 by Flashberryjack |
We'll never have a vote on the Senedd, not as long as Drakeford has his hand on the tiller. |
There is no demand for abolish, the next vote if there is one might well be for more powers again. | |
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| Welsh tourism tax on 17:39 - May 23 with 524 views | Flashberryjack |
| Welsh tourism tax on 15:26 - May 23 by trampie |
There is no demand for abolish, the next vote if there is one might well be for more powers again. |
There is a demand to abolish, and it's getting stronger.
And if there was a vote for more power, that would be down the pan as well, as much as most of the people in Wales dislike the present Westminster government, they can see what the alternative is, and shudder at the thought of giving Drakeford Price more power. | |
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| Welsh tourism tax on 17:46 - May 23 with 512 views | trampie |
| Welsh tourism tax on 17:39 - May 23 by Flashberryjack |
There is a demand to abolish, and it's getting stronger.
And if there was a vote for more power, that would be down the pan as well, as much as most of the people in Wales dislike the present Westminster government, they can see what the alternative is, and shudder at the thought of giving Drakeford Price more power. |
I think you are wrong, I think the Senedd is more highly thought of than Westminster but each to their own as they say. | |
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| Welsh tourism tax on 17:47 - May 23 with 512 views | Wingstandwood |
| Welsh tourism tax on 17:39 - May 23 by Flashberryjack |
There is a demand to abolish, and it's getting stronger.
And if there was a vote for more power, that would be down the pan as well, as much as most of the people in Wales dislike the present Westminster government, they can see what the alternative is, and shudder at the thought of giving Drakeford Price more power. |
Aye, it'll be a case of raise taxes to fund an explosion of 'third-sector'/'quango' patronage and to plough even more money into Cardiff! Because? That is what that lot in Cardiff Bay have been doing for years.
The merry gang in Cardiff Bay are the last lot I would ever want to have 'carte blanche'! [Post edited 23 May 2022 17:47]
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| Welsh tourism tax on 18:32 - May 23 with 476 views | Flashberryjack |
| Welsh tourism tax on 17:46 - May 23 by trampie |
I think you are wrong, I think the Senedd is more highly thought of than Westminster but each to their own as they say. |
Obviously, I can only go by what the people I know say, and the vast majority of them would vote to abolish the Senedd, as you say, each to their own. [Post edited 23 May 2022 19:01]
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| Welsh tourism tax on 19:42 - May 23 with 439 views | Dr_Winston |
| Welsh tourism tax on 17:47 - May 23 by Wingstandwood |
Aye, it'll be a case of raise taxes to fund an explosion of 'third-sector'/'quango' patronage and to plough even more money into Cardiff! Because? That is what that lot in Cardiff Bay have been doing for years.
The merry gang in Cardiff Bay are the last lot I would ever want to have 'carte blanche'! [Post edited 23 May 2022 17:47]
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Like I've said before. Anyone who lives outside the Cardiff and surrounding area who votes to give the Senedd more power is effectively committing civic suicide.
A 20 year freeze on public investment in Cardiff to give the rest of the country a chance at some is long overdue. |  |
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| Welsh tourism tax on 19:48 - May 23 with 432 views | Lorax |
| Welsh tourism tax on 15:26 - May 23 by trampie |
There is no demand for abolish, the next vote if there is one might well be for more powers again. |
Again it's polls but the polls have shown as much demand for abolish as for indy. Over 20% last time I saw one. The poor turnout in the vote is just the same problem we have with any Senedd elections, most people aren't interested and the abolish vote won't bother unless it's a referendum on the core subject, voting a few people into the Senedd won't make it happen because the turkeys in there would never vote for Christmas! | | | |
| Welsh tourism tax on 20:13 - May 23 with 407 views | BryanSwan |
| Welsh tourism tax on 18:32 - May 23 by Flashberryjack |
Obviously, I can only go by what the people I know say, and the vast majority of them would vote to abolish the Senedd, as you say, each to their own. [Post edited 23 May 2022 19:01]
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The people you associate with have similar views to yourself. Much like everyone, you tend to get along with people with similar views. I don't think i know a single person who would abolish the Senedd and most of them are leaning towards indy. | |
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| Welsh tourism tax on 20:56 - May 23 with 388 views | Boundy |
| Welsh tourism tax on 20:13 - May 23 by BryanSwan |
The people you associate with have similar views to yourself. Much like everyone, you tend to get along with people with similar views. I don't think i know a single person who would abolish the Senedd and most of them are leaning towards indy. |
Then that must be down to how big your circle of friends is, so in effect no true indication from either side | |
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| Welsh tourism tax on 20:57 - May 23 with 387 views | Lorax |
| Welsh tourism tax on 20:13 - May 23 by BryanSwan |
The people you associate with have similar views to yourself. Much like everyone, you tend to get along with people with similar views. I don't think i know a single person who would abolish the Senedd and most of them are leaning towards indy. |
I think that after brexit a lot of people stopped talking about politics with friends and family, too many arguments. I'm not sure if a lot of us now know how many the people in our lives would choose.
Many of the people I know don't even bother voting but I do know a few of them think it makes no difference who we vote for, makes no difference to our lives. I know a few others who used to be very pro indy but over the years their tune has changed, I was one of them. The sparkly eyed stupidity of youth learned some lessons along the way.
The only way to be sure is to have the vote. The Senedd will never allow it though. We'll be asked if we want more powers but the option to reverse devolution will never be on a ballot. Brexit still haunts them. | | | |
| Welsh tourism tax on 21:14 - May 23 with 362 views | Flashberryjack |
| Welsh tourism tax on 20:13 - May 23 by BryanSwan |
The people you associate with have similar views to yourself. Much like everyone, you tend to get along with people with similar views. I don't think i know a single person who would abolish the Senedd and most of them are leaning towards indy. |
I mix with a large amount of people socially and professionally, we certainly don't agree on everything politically or on any other subjects, but, 90% agree on abolishing the Senedd.
With regard to increasing the numbers and powers of the Senedd, that is one subject we agree 100% on. | |
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