| The Ryan Bennett conundrum 00:36 - May 8 with 1572 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Been an odd omission really, clearly the type of defender we have been missing. Yes he is limited in terms of technical ability but we have been beaten for physicality time and time again this season.
Martin has hinted it was for footballing reasons, I am not so sure after I have spoken with a few people this week.
49 games under his belt... someone sure didn't want him to get to 50.
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| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 00:46 - May 8 with 1551 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Its logical. Why clubs have these silly contracts is beyond me. The players should be able motivate themselves. Perhaps the third year of his contract was provisional and he is under contract until the end of the year only not the whole of next season. |  |
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| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 09:20 - May 8 with 1444 views | magicdaps10 |
Just a guess but maybe 27k a week has something to to with it.
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| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 10:26 - May 8 with 1368 views | magicdaps10 |
| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 09:54 - May 8 by KeithHaynes |
Ryan Bennett and his agents are famed for their clauses in contracts. And this is an extremely accurate belief that his appearances are a part of a wider issue. |
A clause after 50 games and 27k a week, questions need to be asked in doors in this one for sure P.
You can certainly understand why they want shot. | |
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| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 10:26 - May 8 with 1368 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 09:54 - May 8 by KeithHaynes |
Ryan Bennett and his agents are famed for their clauses in contracts. And this is an extremely accurate belief that his appearances are a part of a wider issue. |
Yep spot on.
Nothing is coincidence when it comes to big business. | |
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| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 14:04 - May 8 with 1312 views | Luther27 |
| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 09:54 - May 8 by KeithHaynes |
Ryan Bennett and his agents are famed for their clauses in contracts. And this is an extremely accurate belief that his appearances are a part of a wider issue. |
I’ve just pulled out what was left of my hair reading this thread! |  | | |
| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 15:12 - May 8 with 1275 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 14:04 - May 8 by Luther27 |
I’ve just pulled out what was left of my hair reading this thread! |
Hopefully he signed a 2 year deal deal with the third year optional. According to Transfmkt his contract is until the end of next season. ( 3 years)
At 31 one would hope this is the case. The club signed Llorente at 31 on a two years deal and this was a mistake. A 50 game clause would suggest this. If the player played less than 25 games for two seasons there might be a release clause in the 3 year deal deal which would be good news for Mr WInter. £1.3m of next seasons wage bill at the stroke of a pen.
Recruitment is not easy. [Post edited 8 May 2022 15:22]
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| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 21:48 - May 8 with 1150 views | BillyChong |
| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 15:12 - May 8 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Hopefully he signed a 2 year deal deal with the third year optional. According to Transfmkt his contract is until the end of next season. ( 3 years)
At 31 one would hope this is the case. The club signed Llorente at 31 on a two years deal and this was a mistake. A 50 game clause would suggest this. If the player played less than 25 games for two seasons there might be a release clause in the 3 year deal deal which would be good news for Mr WInter. £1.3m of next seasons wage bill at the stroke of a pen.
Recruitment is not easy. [Post edited 8 May 2022 15:22]
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How was Llorente a mistake? He had a decent record here which convinced spurs to pay £12m + for him. Chelsea were also keen. | | | |
| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 22:12 - May 8 with 1131 views | Whiterockin |
| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 21:48 - May 8 by BillyChong |
How was Llorente a mistake? He had a decent record here which convinced spurs to pay £12m + for him. Chelsea were also keen. |
Don't confuse valley boy with facts. |  | | |
| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 22:26 - May 8 with 1110 views | Chief |
15 goals that saw us stay up, around £7mill profit on his sale, but a 'mistake' apparently.  |  |
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| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 22:43 - May 8 with 1065 views | Chief |
| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 22:31 - May 8 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Llorente signed a TWO YEAR DEAL. This was a mistake. He should have signed a THREE YEAR deal like Bennett.
If Swansea are limiting Bennett to games like like Dr P says what is the point? An extra year for a four year deal? This seems unlikely.
It is possible if he does not play a minimum number of games in the first two season the third year is optional in some way for the player and club perhaps.
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Giving Bennett a three year deal was obviously a mistake, but Llorente on two years at his age was not. There was a school of thought at the time that he could be over the hill. Not many expected him to have the impact he did, so credit where it's due, one of Huws more lucid decisions during that time. Even if he had signed a longer deal, at his age I doubt we'd have got much of a larger fee. | |
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| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 22:49 - May 8 with 1053 views | felixstowe_jack |
Bennett was totally mishandled by Martin playing him as right back he constantly was get caught for lack of pace and when the crosses went in no big Centre half to win it.
If Cabango and Bennett had been played as twin centre halfs we would not have conceded so many goals and certainly not collapsed like we did six or seven times this season. | |
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| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 23:39 - May 8 with 1021 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 22:31 - May 8 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Llorente signed a TWO YEAR DEAL. This was a mistake. He should have signed a THREE YEAR deal like Bennett.
If Swansea are limiting Bennett to games like like Dr P says what is the point? An extra year for a four year deal? This seems unlikely.
It is possible if he does not play a minimum number of games in the first two season the third year is optional in some way for the player and club perhaps.
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Same with Routledge he also had a similar game based trigger which is why he wasn’t available often upon relegation until he signed a more realistic one.
But they aren’t mistakes as such. Many players simply won’t sign a contract unless they are secured for 3 seasons, especially those of a certain age.
Bennett turned 32 in March. If his contract ran out this season his value would significantly have fallen on what salary he can demand from his next club. By getting an extra year in he gets another year of “prime career” pay and signing a contract at 32 or 33 really doesn’t change much salary wise other than probably being a shorter one.
You can understand why we agreed to it, you can understand why he’d want it… but make no mistake; that’s the reason he isn’t playing and not for footballing reasons as we are led to believe. | |
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| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 13:18 - May 9 with 913 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 23:39 - May 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
Same with Routledge he also had a similar game based trigger which is why he wasn’t available often upon relegation until he signed a more realistic one.
But they aren’t mistakes as such. Many players simply won’t sign a contract unless they are secured for 3 seasons, especially those of a certain age.
Bennett turned 32 in March. If his contract ran out this season his value would significantly have fallen on what salary he can demand from his next club. By getting an extra year in he gets another year of “prime career” pay and signing a contract at 32 or 33 really doesn’t change much salary wise other than probably being a shorter one.
You can understand why we agreed to it, you can understand why he’d want it… but make no mistake; that’s the reason he isn’t playing and not for footballing reasons as we are led to believe. |
Having applied my intellect to this issue logically, I am of the opinion that if your 50 game limit theory is valid Swansea might be able to release Mr Bennett from his contract with no on going financial legacy saving the club from paying his final year salary. (£1m plus)
The third year for Mr Bennett may have been optional on getting more than 50 games in the first two season. He could be going on a free next month.
The clause would be 50+ games in year 1 and 2 and automatic 3rd year trigger.
Less than 50 games in year 1 and 2 and ............................Free transfer?
This is speculation not "making stuff up".
On Llorente had HJ signed him on a 3rd year option the club would not have been forced to sell him. With only one year left at 31 £12m was too much to write off.
This led to the disastrous resigning on Bony. A fit Llorente would probably scored enough headers for the 4 or 5 points needed to stay up and maybe saved a goal or two going into Fabianski' s net as well. | |
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| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 13:33 - May 9 with 904 views | Chief |
| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 13:18 - May 9 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Having applied my intellect to this issue logically, I am of the opinion that if your 50 game limit theory is valid Swansea might be able to release Mr Bennett from his contract with no on going financial legacy saving the club from paying his final year salary. (£1m plus)
The third year for Mr Bennett may have been optional on getting more than 50 games in the first two season. He could be going on a free next month.
The clause would be 50+ games in year 1 and 2 and automatic 3rd year trigger.
Less than 50 games in year 1 and 2 and ............................Free transfer?
This is speculation not "making stuff up".
On Llorente had HJ signed him on a 3rd year option the club would not have been forced to sell him. With only one year left at 31 £12m was too much to write off.
This led to the disastrous resigning on Bony. A fit Llorente would probably scored enough headers for the 4 or 5 points needed to stay up and maybe saved a goal or two going into Fabianski' s net as well. |
Spurs came in Llorente, so whether he had another year or not was probably irrelevant, we are unlikely to be able to fight off offers from them.
And it was laziness and lack of imagination that lead to Bony resigning. Not selling Llorente. | |
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| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 13:45 - May 9 with 895 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 13:33 - May 9 by Chief |
Spurs came in Llorente, so whether he had another year or not was probably irrelevant, we are unlikely to be able to fight off offers from them.
And it was laziness and lack of imagination that lead to Bony resigning. Not selling Llorente. |
In hindsight with two years on his deal HJ could have rejected the deal with Llorente being a key player. HJ would have had a list of targets to replace him one was Vincent Aboubakar. He got an ACL at the same time.
With Bony the only other highly risky option he could have stuck with Llorente. a player that can score 15 goals in the PL is worth a few bob.
It was poor recruitment which the is a recurring theme. Appointing Allen and letting Scott go was another blunder. Perhaps Scott should have been promoted. The Man city links was alluring but Cardiff got Doyle and Swansea got promising teenager not ready for the Championship Why was anyone surprised after Williams flopped. | |
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| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 13:56 - May 9 with 891 views | Chief |
| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 13:45 - May 9 by ReslovenSwan1 |
In hindsight with two years on his deal HJ could have rejected the deal with Llorente being a key player. HJ would have had a list of targets to replace him one was Vincent Aboubakar. He got an ACL at the same time.
With Bony the only other highly risky option he could have stuck with Llorente. a player that can score 15 goals in the PL is worth a few bob.
It was poor recruitment which the is a recurring theme. Appointing Allen and letting Scott go was another blunder. Perhaps Scott should have been promoted. The Man city links was alluring but Cardiff got Doyle and Swansea got promising teenager not ready for the Championship Why was anyone surprised after Williams flopped. |
Nothing in hindsight suggests we could or would turn down offers from spurs for our players. | |
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| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 15:54 - May 9 with 850 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 13:56 - May 9 by Chief |
Nothing in hindsight suggests we could or would turn down offers from spurs for our players. |
Would you willingly swap a firing LLorente (worth £12m 15 goals in the PL) ) with two years on his deal for a high risk Bony valued at £12m.?
Swansea s problems were recruitment related. They had no one to replace Llorente. If he had 2 years he would have stayed. There was no cash benefit. | |
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| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 16:32 - May 9 with 835 views | Chief |
| The Ryan Bennett conundrum on 15:54 - May 9 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Would you willingly swap a firing LLorente (worth £12m 15 goals in the PL) ) with two years on his deal for a high risk Bony valued at £12m.?
Swansea s problems were recruitment related. They had no one to replace Llorente. If he had 2 years he would have stayed. There was no cash benefit. |
Not willingly no of course not. But Swansea don't have the ability to rebuff Spurs.
We did however have the chance not to sign Bony, but someone else instead. | |
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